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Romans 8:28 promises, “And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.” NASV.  All of us desire to be close to our God Jehovah and his son, Jesus Christ.  We long for their comfort, guidance and encouragement in our lives.  We are promised in Isaiah 26:3, “You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is stayed on You, Because he trusts in You.” NKJV.  Yet when difficult and harsh experiences come, we sometimes feel alone and afraid.  In Hebrews 13:5 we read, “God Himself has said, “I will never, never let go your hand: I will never never forsake you.” Weymouth.  You are not alone.  Your heavenly Father and his Son are watching over you.  You are not alone.  There are others like you who have experienced hard trials and difficult experiences.  Take some time to share with us.  To tell your story.  To encourage others.  That is what this Testimony section is for.

407 comments to Testimonials

  • Lincoln

    Thank you Jacqueline. God Bless.

  • Lincoln

    Dear Jacqueline,

    Ok, but you must try to see from my point of view. (I will get back to all the questions I have been asked and I will answer all).

    But about the links. I understand everything you say, but here is my point of view: Those links on YouTube with all the testimonies, songs and other Christians witnesses, millions of people are downloading those songs and music and after more millions are listening to many other things.

    I do too and I listen all day (when I have time) and I have given to many others and – I have never heard of anybody having trouble with that.

    So, I just don’t understand the problem I hear here. To help my computer I have a couple of small devises to analyse the links I use and in split second it wans me and stop anything which is not supposed to be there and remove it.

    I think you miss a lot from the Internet even when I am going to answer all your questions, in fear of “´what ever” happens.

    But, I will respect peoples feelings and meninges and do it your way.

    So, I must explain “this” a little. When we discuss “things”, you7 people here (Peter and Chuck; I have met until now) are very fast to “throw away what I say”.

    I understand their feelings, but the thing is, many times matters take some time. You must “gather” up information to come to any conclusions.

    I understand you people do not have this time. That is a pity.

    One thing I am very happy about is the unity in Christ I have with you.

    No words, no explanations, no discussions and no dogmas. Just Unification in the Lord Jesus Christ trough communion.

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Lincoln,

      We are not throwing out what you say. We are giving you the opportunity to defend your views.

      • Lincoln

        Hi again Peter (today)

        This is a very strange way of talking to each other. I try to respect you and so far I have only been talking to you with all my best Christian love.

        I have given you all the things I value and in response this very strange response. But I will try to do as I am told, but I must say it is very strange way you are doing this.

        So, what ever I have written in the past few days here is now lost in its contest.

        It does not make any explanations since it is mixed up. But I will try to do as you people here say.

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Lincoln,

          Is there a particular topic you would like to discuss with the group on this website. For example, would you like to discuss what is HELL? Is there eternal torment for unbelievers? Or would you like to select another topic we can all discuss together?

          • Lincoln

            Hi Peter,

            Thank you for comment and suggestions as a topic; Hell. Well, we can always discuss it, but I understand people here are studying Acts 2 and that I think would be appropriate to talk about; a little later for me.

            I think Jacqueline like to hear my story “out of Jehovah`s Witnesses” so I will start to give my life story. It will take some time because I must take it bit for bit in a way you people here can appreciate it.

            I am looking forward to “meet” people here and see what happened to them, as well.

            It is more the less the classic story, but different because of different circumstances and people involved.

            Also, this is not my first langue so I hope I express “things” correctly. It must be fun for you English-speaking people to read and when you listen to us,(I am Scandinavian).

            But I will tell my story.

            All the best to you Peter, I can understand you are doing a great job here and “things” are not always as easy.

            God bless you too.

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Lincoln, I am in Chicago now in our Sunday meeting so I am not ignoring you buy I live 1hour 15 away. So I will read and write when I get home later this evening. I do have something I want to say to you, we share something in common. Take Care

      PS We are studying the bible book Acts chapter 2 and I am downstairs in a little class. Also Br. Peter is here I will tell him hello for you.

      • Lincoln

        Dear Jaqueline,

        If you do not mind and with all respect for what you people here believe, I hope it is alright that I also tell what I believe? I am not trying to overrule your teachings, but I think “we can talk about it”, right?

        Will you allow me to give this explanation as how I understand the event happened on the day of pentecost?

        quote Jaqueline:
        We are studying the bible book Acts chapter 2 and I am downstairs in a little class. Also Br. Peter is here I will tell him hello for you.

        My comment:

        I like when you just talk like this. One side of the Gospel ”the Holy Spirit” and the Christian life is ”interest and study and love for the word of Jesus”.

        When it comes to the Pentecost, it might be the most important part of Christianity. Though ever since then we have not seen the Paradise like world; on the contrary.

        So, I will give what I found and now carry in my heart. I tell you the truth; even now, getting started to explain my belief in Jesus, I get this very strange feeling in my heart as if I was there, on the day of Pentecost and you were there and we was talking and wondering of, what happened.

        16 …….. this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

        17 “‘In the last days, God says,
        I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
        Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
        your young men will see visions,
        your old men will dream dreams.

        18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
        I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
        and they will prophesy.

        19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
        and signs on the earth below,
        blood and fire and billows of smoke.

        20 The sun will be turned to darkness
        and the moon to blood
        before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.

        21 And everyone who calls
        on the name of the Lord will be saved.
        _________________________________________________________

        In the Christian world this means, that the outpour of the Holy Spirit happens and we can have the Holy Spirit in our hearts.

        When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came

        1) ”from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house” where they were sitting. And divided

        2) ”tongues as of fire appeared” to them and rested on each one of them. And

        3) ”they were all filled with the Holy Spirit” and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
        Quote end.

        My comment:

        Imagine it was you people. To day, is it possible?

        If it was at that time, it is also possible today. God has not changed. Why would this be so strange to some Christians; (believers who might not have this understanding).

        There is one thing we should notise; ”they were all filled with the Holy Spirit (ruach / pneuma)” and ”from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind (ruack/pneuma), and it filled the entire house” and ”tongues as of fire (ruach/pneuma ignis) appeared” to them and rested on each one of them.

        Now, because of you not open up quotations form the Internet, I will just quote it among what I think because this is what I believe.

        Often, when the Old Testament talks about the “Spirit of the Lord” or the “Spirit of God,” the word for “Spirit” is Ruach (Greek pneuma).

        Question: “What is the meaning of the Hebrew word ruach?”

        Answer:

        The Hebrew ruach means “wind,” “breath,” or “spirit.” The corresponding Greek word is pneuma (πνεῦμα ).

        Both words are commonly used in passages referring to the Holy Spirit.

        The word’s first use in the Bible appears in the second verse: “The Spirit of God [Ruach Elohim] was hovering over the waters” (Genesis 1:2).

        (the ”waters” is tehom, Hebrew: תְּהוֹם‎‎), literally the Deep or Abyss (Greek Septuagint: ábyssos), refers to the Great Deep of the primordial waters of creation in the Bible. Tehom is a cognate of the Akkadian word tamtu and Ugaritic t-h-m which have similar meaning. As such it was equated with the earlier Sumerian Tiamat. )

        So, many from this part of the world has a teaching/idea and a religious interpretation of the creation and the gods. The Israelites had the one I just quoted from genesis 1.

        In Genesis 6:17 ruach is translated “breath of life.”

        Genesis 8:1 uses ruach to describe the “wind” God sent over the earth to recede the Flood waters. Altogether, the word ruach is found almost 400 times in the Old Testament.

        Often, when the Old Testament talks about the “Spirit of the Lord” or the “Spirit of God,” the word for “Spirit” is Ruach.

        Use of ruach as “spirit” when not linked with God usually is in, reference to the human spirit.

        This can mean the actual spirit of a human

        (the immaterial part of humans akin to the soul)

        or to one’s mood, emotional state, or general disposition.

        Ruach as “breath” or “wind” can be a reference to literal breath or wind or it can take on a figurative meaning such as in the idiom “a mere breath.”

        God’s Ruach is the source of life.

        The Ruach of God is the One who gives life to all creation.

        We could say that God’s Ruach has created every other (non-divine) ruach that exists.

        All living creatures owe the breath of life to the Creative Spirit of God. (that is God)

        Moses states this truth explicitly: “God . . . gives breath [ruach] to all living things” (Numbers 27:16). Job understood this truth as well: “As long as I have life within me, the breath [ruach] of God in my nostrils” (Job 27:3). Later, Elihu tells Job, “The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life” (Job 33:4).

        God used the phrase Ruach Yahweh in His promise that the Messiah would be empowered by the Holy Spirit:

        “The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him—the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD” (Isaiah 11:2; see also Isaiah 42:1). This prophecy was fulfilled in Jesus; at His baptism in the Jordan River, John saw “the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him” (Matthew 3:16).

        The Bible provides many ways to help us understand that the Holy Spirit is truly a person—that is, He is a personal being, rather than an impersonal thing. (as long as we understand why we use the word person for God, when we do, if we do.)

        First, every pronoun used in reference to the Spirit is “he” not “it.”

        The original Greek language of the New Testament is explicit in confirming the person of the Holy Spirit.

        The word for “Spirit” (pneuma) is neuter and would naturally take neuter pronouns to have grammatical agreement.

        Yet, in many cases, masculine pronouns are found (e.g., John 15:26; 16:13-14).

        Grammatically, there is no other way to understand the pronouns of the New Testament related to the Holy Spirit—He is referred to as a “He,” as a person.

        Matthew 28:19 teaches us to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is a collective reference to one Triune God. (or just one God, but we have been presented to 3 different “personalities” in those cases.)

        Also, we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30). The Spirit can be sinned against (Isaiah 63:10) and lied to (Acts 5:3). We are to obey Him (Acts 10:19–21) and honor Him (Psalm 51:11).

        The personhood of the Holy Spirit is also affirmed by His many works. He was personally involved in creation (Genesis 1:2), empowers God’s people (Zechariah 4:6), guides (Romans 8:14), comforts (John 14:26), convicts (John 16:8), teaches (John 16:13), restrains sin (Isaiah 59:19), and gives commands (Acts 8:29).

        Each of these works requires the involvement of a person rather than a mere force, thing, or idea.

        The Holy Spirit’s attributes also point to His personality.

        The Holy Spirit has life (Romans 8:2), has a will (1 Corinthians 12:11), is omniscient (1 Corinthians 2:10–11), is eternal (Hebrews 9:14), and is omnipresent (Psalm 139:7). A mere force could not possess all of these attributes, but the Holy Spirit does.

        And the personhood of the Holy Spirit is affirmed by His role as the third Person of the Godhead. Only a being who is equal to God (Matthew 28:19) and possesses the attributes of omniscience, omnipresence, and eternality could be defined as God.

        In Acts 5:3–4, Peter referred to the Holy Spirit as God, stating, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?

        Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

        Paul likewise referred to the Holy Spirit as God in 2 Corinthians 3:17–18, stating, “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

        And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.”

        The Holy Spirit is a person, as Scripture makes clear. As such, He is to be revered as God and serves in perfect unity with Father and Son to lead us in our spiritual lives.

        [this is actually also the conclusion Charles Taze Russell came to.)

        The Bible is not perfectly clear as to the nature of the human soul.

        But from studying the way the word soul is used in Scripture, we can come to some conclusions.

        Simply stated, the human soul is the part of a person that is not physical.

        It is the part of every human being that lasts eternally after the body experiences death. Genesis 35:18 describes the death of Rachel, Jacob’s wife, saying she named her son “as her soul was departing.”

        From this we know that the soul is different from the body and that it continues to live after physical death.

        Mark 12:30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

        Genesis 35: 18 And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she called his name Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin. So Rachel died, and she was buried on the way to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem),

        Now, what has this to do with Acts 2, the day of Pentecost? A lot. First the utterance within the room where this took place. It was not just a small quiet event, but a mighty utterance of Gods presence. Yes, it was God who was pressen.

        And to show God`s delight in the faithful followers of Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit/God fell upon all and everyone.

        If we see God as Spirit, then God can be everywhere any place at the same time. this is why when we pray to God, God listen to all prayers wherever, whoever and all the time.

        1 Cor 3:16-17 – “Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you

        1 Cor 12:1-13 – “Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, you were enticed and led astray to idols that could not speak. 3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking by the Spirit of God ever says “Let Jesus be cursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit

        Gal 5:13-26 – “For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for self-indulgence, but through love become slaves to one another. 14 For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”… 16 Live by the Spirit, I say, and do not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For what the flesh desires is opposed to the Spirit, and what the Spirit desires is opposed to the flesh… 19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious… 22 By contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things .

        Conclusion:

        This is what I believe in. The body of man is the carrying of the soul ruach / pneuma / ignis.

        This is not a physical thing such as the body (flesh, bones and blood). This is ”spirit”, we are talking about.

        God is spirit, Holy Ghost is spirit and (Col 2:9) For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. And you have been made complete in Christ ……”
        quote end.

        Now, I am not talking about 3 different ”persons” Gods. I am talking about one God as given to us in Deuteronomy 6:4

        4″Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God,the LORD is one! 5″You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
        Quote end.

        So, what we know for sure is what happened on the day of Pentecost.

        God / ruach (that is the Holy Ghost) was there and showed it physically in wind, fire and speaking of tongues. The apostle Peter referred to the prophecy of Joel and in answer to their question (we might like to ask too) said to them:

        37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

        38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.

        And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

        39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
        quote end acts 2:37

        My comment; some will say that “this is not for today”. They can say, but I will focus on 1) what happens all over the world today and 2) on Gods words to the profet Joel:

        ” ….. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call”.

        This would be my contribution to the study of Acts 2 for now.

        Some will say no to this and I will not try to persuade them. If one only can say “Jesus is Lord by will of the Holy Ghost”, then what about this I have just written?

        Only when you let the Holy Spirit overcome your spirit, you will say this.

        My Christian love for all of you.

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Lincoln,

          We have been so nice, polite and fair with you, yet you keep breaking our rules. We are giving every opportunity to have a fair two way discussion and instead you ignore Chuck and I and you continue to evangelize. I try to follow God’s example. He is longsuffering. However, I am not sure how much more suffering I can take from you.

          You never answered our questions on ruach and the soul. You simply ignore us and continue to teach. Ouch! That hurts.

          When you quote from Wikipedia and other sources, please put in quotes and provide us with your source. You sound really smart when you copy and paste from other websites, however I don’t know if you even understand what you are pasting.

          Now Lincoln, I asked you to pick one topic. It looks like the topic you selected here is the Holy Spirit. So doctrinally, you need to stick to that topic only for now. Let’s have a discussion. I will give others a chance to comment first and you can respond to them. I will comment when I have time.

          Don’t break my heart Lincoln. You are a guest on our website. Let’s have a fair two way discussion. Stop playing the victim. We are giving you every opportunity to make your case. However, if you keep breaking the rules we will wave goodbye with tears.

          • Lincoln

            Hi Peter,

            Yes, and I thank you. I just don`t understand what happens so in this way I cannot continue. Maybe this is not Gods will so I will leave you.

            You are happy for your beliefs and I bless you. Hope you can keep my writings for another time and maybe you can use it all along.

            I am glad I had the chance to tell you my story and I will leave you in the best spirit.

            I have read many witnesses and I really appreciate it.

            That you do not understand my way of communicate I am sorry.

            All the best.

        • greg (Bible Student)

          Lincoln,

          I’m at war with myself. On the one hand I’m content to stay silent and let us part ways, each convinced in our own mind, and let God be found True. (Romans 3:4; Proverbs 21:2)

          On the other hand, there are readers who have not commented, who have followed our conversation silently, invisibly even. These are the ones I care about, as well as the ones who may yet come and read and be left with doubts and uncertainties of their own. It is because I care about them that I am prompted to respond.

          So rather than respond to many of the things you said which compel me to speak up and challenge, I choose to try and work within Br. Peter’s wishes and make my single question clear and simple:

          You said:
          “The Holy Spirit is a person, as Scripture makes clear. As such, He is to be revered as God and serves in perfect unity with Father and Son to lead us in our spiritual lives.

          [this is actually also the conclusion Charles Taze Russell came to.)”

          Please provide evidence for what you claim. Where did Br. Russell ever express such sentiments? I am ignorant and need to be educated, for I cannot find this thing you claim anywhere in any of Brother Russell’s writings. Please inform me that I may stand corrected.

          -greg

          • Lincoln

            Dear Greg,

            You are a interesting person. I can easily follow you. But I cannot link to anything which I have been advised not to do.

            So I tried to make up things and this is not Wikipedia.

            I even think I already have given the link and quote, but I just don`t understand the “complaint”. So, maybe my English is so bad, that I make no sense.

            I wish you all the best.

            • Lincoln

              Dear Greg,

              Here is what I think you are asking me about:

              Russell promoted the worship of Jesus and prayer to him because he is our God.

              “It seems clear that His Divinity was retained in humanity because He repeatedly spoke of Himself as having come down from heaven, and because He, though passing through trial and sorrow as a man, was yet possessed of the authority and exercised the prerogatives of a God. He was the object of unreproved worship even when a babe, by the wise men who came to see the new-born King. Matt. 2:2-11.

              Even the angels delighted to do Him honor. “When He bringeth the first-begotten into the world, He saith, “And let all the angels of God worship Him.” Heb. 1:6.

              He never reproved any one for acts of worship offered to Himself, but when Cornelius offered such service to Peter–the leading apostle– “he took him up, saying, stand up; I myself also am a man.” …. Had Christ not been more than a man the same reason would have prevented from receiving worship….”
              Zion’s Watch Tower 1892 May 15 p.157
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              “It is undoubtedly proper enough for us to address petitions to our Redeemer and Advocate, who loved us and gave himself for us….Although we are nowhere instructed to make petitions to him, it evidently could not be improper so to do; for such a course is nowhere prohibited, and the disciples worshiped him.”
              Zion’s Watch Tower 1880 Oct. p.3
              ____________________________________________________________________________

              “Question. The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer.

              Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. … It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father and his agent in the creation of all things, including man.” Zion’s Watch Tower 1898 July 15 p.216
              _________________________________________________________________________

              “In one respect many of Christendom could learn numerous important lessons from these wise Gentiles….They worshiped him in three senses of the word: (1) They fell before him, prostrated themselves, thus physically expressing their reverence. (2) They worshiped him in their hearts and with the tongue gave expression to their rejoicing and confidence. (3) They opened their treasure-box and presented to him three gifts appropriate to royalty: the myrrh representing submission, frankincense representing praise, gold representing obedience.”
              Zion’s Watch Tower 1906 Jan. 1 p.15
              ____________________________________________________________________

              Rutherford continued this teaching.

              “Jehovah God commands all to worship Christ Jesus because Christ Jesus is the express image of his Father, Jehovah, and because he is the Executive Officer of Jehovah always carrying out Jehovah’s purpose (Heb.:3-6).”
              Watchtower 1939 Nov. 15 p.339
              __________________________________________________________________________

              “During the Millennium, “the princes will lead the people in their worship of Jehovah and of Christ.”
              Vindication Volume 3 p.295
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              “The people of all nations who obtain salvation must come to the house of the Lord to worship there; that is to say, they must believe on and worship Jehovah God and the Lord Jesus Christ, his chief instrument (Philippians 2:10, 11).”
              Salvation p.151
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              Knorr continued to teach we should worship Jesus and the 1940’s Watchtower articles still stated that Jesus was to be worshipped.
              “Now, at Christ’s coming to reign as king in Jehovah’s capital organization Zion, to bring in a righteous new world, Jehovah makes him infinitely higher than the godly angels or messengers and accordingly commands them to worship him. … Since Jehovah God now reigns as King by means of his capital organization Zion, then whosoever would worship Him must also worship and bow down to Jehovah’s Chief One in that capital organization, namely, Christ Jesus, his Co-regent on the throne of The Theocracy.” Watchtower 1945 Oct. 15 p.313
              ______________________________________________________________________________

              In 1945, Knorr amended the Watchtower Charter. Included within the new Charter is the statement that the purpose of the Watchtower Society is to promote the worship of Jehovah and Jesus. This charter is a legal document that continues to be the Watchtower Charter to this day. The 1945 Yearbook includes the Charter in full. Part of the current charter states as follows:

              “The purposes of this Society are: To act as the servant of and the legal world-wide governing agency for that body of Christian persons known as Jehovah’s Witnesses to preach the gospel of God’s kingdom under Christ Jesus unto all nations as a witness to the name, word and supremacy of Almighty Good JEHOVAH; to print and distribute Bibles and to disseminate Bible truths in various languages by means of making and publishing literature containing information and comment explaining Bible truths and prophecy concerning establishment of Jehovah’s kingdom under Christ Jesus to authorize and appoint agents, servants, employees, teachers, instructors, evangelists, missionaries and ministers to go forth to all the world publicly and from house to house to preach and teach Bible truths to persons willing to listen by leaving with such persons said literature and by conducting Bible studies thereon to improve men, women and children mentally and morally by Christian missionary work and by charitable and benevolent instruction of the people on the Bible and incidental scientific, historical and literary subjects to establish and maintain private Bible schools and classes for gratuitous instruction of men and women in the Bible, Bible literature and Bible history; to teach, train, prepare and equip men and women as ministers, missionaries, evangelists, preachers, teachers and lecturers to provide and maintain homes, places and buildings for gratuitous housing of such students, lecturers, teachers and minister; to furnish gratuitously to such students, lecturers, teachers, educators and ministers suitable meals and lodging and to prepare, support, maintain and send out to various parts of the world Christian missionaries, teachers and instructors in the Bible and Bible literature and

              for public Christian worship of Almighty God and Christ Jesus;

              to arrange for and hold local and world-wide assemblies for such worship to use or operate radio broadcasting stations for preaching this gospel of the kingdom; and to do any and all other lawful things that its Board of Directors shall deem expedient for the purposes stated.”
              Click Here to download a 1.82 MB PDF scan of the 1945 Charter

              http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/worshipjesus.htm
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              But as I said, I don’t understand this strange way.

              • greg (Bible Student)

                Lincoln,

                I ask you why the sky is blue and you proceed to tell me why grass should be green.

                I ask again: Where did Bro. Russell say the holy Spirit is a person?
                -greg

                • Lincoln

                  Dear Greg,

                  Once again, thank you for your comment. This conversations is just as strange to me as I understand you feel. So, I will once again try to make myself clear. I may not success, but I will try.

                  So, I will do it this way;

                  Jacqueline (Bible Student)
                  August 28, 2016 at 11:19 am

                  Lincoln, I am in Chicago now in our Sunday meeting so I am not ignoring you buy I live 1hour 15 away. So I will read and write when I get home later this evening. I do have something I want to say to you, we share something in common. Take Care
                  PS We are studying the bible book Acts chapter 2 and I am downstairs in a little class. Also Br. Peter is here I will tell him hello for you.
                  quote end.

                  My comment:

                  Ok I think it is nice of Jacqueline to send such a nice comment to me. She actually te3lls me, that you are studding “Acts chapter 2”. With Brother Peter K words in mind I think this would be a fine place to start our “new” discussion. Peter wrote one minute before Jacqueline (11:19 / 11:18):

                  Peter K. (admin)
                  August 28, 2016 at 10:34 am · Reply
                  Lincoln,
                  We are not throwing out what you say. We are giving you the opportunity to defend your views.

                  Peter K. (admin)
                  August 28, 2016 at 11:18 am
                  Lincoln,
                  Is there a particular topic you would like to discuss with the group on this website. For example, would you like to discuss what is HELL? Is there eternal torment for unbelievers? Or would you like to select another topic we can all discuss together?
                  quote end.

                  My comment:

                  So, Greg, if you can understand my writings here, I actually do exactly what I am told (suggested). It was up to me to decide which topic and in line with what is going on I chose the “Holy Ghost” / the “Holy Spirit”).

                  Here is my answer:

                  Lincoln August 28, 2016 at 11:37 pm

                  Hi Peter,
                  Thank you for comment and suggestions as a topic; Hell. Well, we can always discuss it, but I understand people here are studying “Acts 2” and that I think would be appropriate to talk about; a little later for me.

                  and I do. The next day:

                  Lincoln August 29, 2016 at 7:46 am

                  Dear Jaqueline,

                  If you do not mind and with all respect for what you people here believe, I hope it is alright that I also tell what I believe?

                  I am not trying to overrule your teachings, but I think “we can talk about it”, right?

                  Will you allow me to give this explanation as how I understand the event happened on the day of Pentecost?

                  quote Jaqueline:

                  We are studying the bible book Acts chapter 2 and I am downstairs in a little class. Also Br. Peter is here I will tell him hello for you.
                  quote end.

                  My comment:

                  I like when you just talk like this. One side of the Gospel ”the Holy Spirit” and the Christian life is ”interest and study and love for the word of Jesus”…………………………

                  So, Greg after this follows my answer with the information as how I understand what happened on the day of Pentecost. IN the same “breath” I would have loved to show you things from You Tube from the congregations of Born Again Christians, but something is the matter with you guys computers and you get infected when you surf on the internet and the Links I give. I have always gone trough the links and there is nothing wrong. But something happens when you get them. Very strange.

                  Now, after my long explanation of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2) I get this very strange comment from Peter; something about he don`t like it “since it is something I found on Wikipedia”.

                  I must say, after working a ling time on this and writing it down I am very surprised to this reaction. This was / are my words.

                  And now you ask me about the sky and the grass?

                  I will say it this way. Acts 2 is a fine place to start (as Peter suggested and Jacqueline told me) and so I did. Here it is clear that Charles Taze Russell is teaching to worship Jesus as I have been saying all the time.

                  Now, we Christians to not have either 2 or 3 gods, so to worship Jesus (as Charles Taze Russell proves), we are actually in the Christian context worshipping God since we only have one God. Deuteronomy chapter 6 vers 4.

                  In my long “explanations” I gave I talk about the Ruach / Pneuma and the spirit within us (our soul)

                  So, not to spread all over I just chose this Acts chapter 2.

                  I wonder (as you mention something about) everyone else who are perhaps reading along. I would have liked for others to view this information from Charles Taze Russell as to worship Jesus.

                  I have been talking with Jehovah Witnesses about this (Charles Taze Russell prove about worshipping Jesus) but they first of all said that he never wrote that and second they don`t believe what Charles Taze Russell may or may not have said. They have “new light” to day.

                  Should you ask me another year or perhaps 10 years, my answer would be the same. I can see that when I look back in the comments I have given 10 years ago and this thing has not changed ever since it happened on the day of Pentecost. Ruach was there.

                  thank you Greg.

                  • Peter K. (admin)

                    Lincoln,

                    Greg asked you to prove your claim that Brother Russell taught that the Holy Spirit is a person.

                    In answer, you provided evidence that Brother Russell taught we should worship Jesus. So you keep talking and talking, but you have not yet answered our questions to you. You never answered Chuck’s questions or my questions.

                    My recommendation to you is that you spend time honestly reading and studying the Bible. Focus more on learning, less on teaching.

                    Someday when you learn how to have a respectful two way conversation where you actually answer qyestions, maybe then you can return to our website. For now, you are wasting our time. We like having respectful discussions here. We do not like being lectured and preached at. Bye now.

                • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

                  Hi Greg, I sincerely think someone is playing with us here. I have stopped encouraging it. There is definitely a problem, I just don’t know who is behind it. That is my assessment. Take Care

  • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

    To Lincoln,
    You may tell you story here of your experience in or coming out of the Jehovah witnesses organization and your journey.
    I read what you wrote and it is the slave and black experience. Most on here are aware of the slave/black experience but will be benefited by knowing your religious experience in this regard.
    We absolutely can’t atone for all the injustices you bring up with the witnesses we listen but we can’t answer some concerns you have to go to their website to talk.
    The slave/black experience have a lot of websites or I might suggest you start a blog on those issues or a facebook page is probably best.
    We simply can’t go all over the place with you on your subjects.
    Links infect people computers and cellphones. Mine got infected. I will not post a link unless I know the person or the source.
    I will go back to my habit and not click on links where their source is from all over and I can’t in good conscience approve links that might infect a person’s devise.
    Also you posted a lot of chants and songs.Culturally I have many friends from the Congo and am aware of some of what you post but this is not the website to go off into this.
    You are very intelligent I can tell from your posts but try to stay within guidelines with your links. You will always go into moderation with the type of links you post. When you flash across them they show up just like most spam links. I don’t think this audience will be listening and chanting to the links you present. They are about the Bible not going off into something else. I hope I am not being too blunt but that is just my personality to spit it out and I am not trying to offend but ask you not to mess up a good comment of yours with song and other links. Take Care

    • Lincoln

      Thank you Jacqueline,

      Yes, I understand and I have already spoken with Peter about it. This is very surprising to me. I will not try to justify my habit of posting those links. I am very surprised what you say about your computers getting infected.

      That is new to me. Does it mean, that you never open webpages on the Internet just so?

      It is the same Internet I use.

      Thank you Jacqueline. I will tell you friends here my story another day.

      • Jacqueline (Bible student)

        Lincoln it was not my computer but my phone. And I got the warning message but i was to slow, fixed the problem now. I know you can’t vouch for links and what is attached to them. And my son is a computer guy and no, I/ we are very careful about clicking on links from all over the internet. He
        preaches this to us not to be so curious. Lol. Take Care

    • Lincoln

      Dear Jacqueline, my spiritual sister in the Lord Jesus Christ trough the communion in the “Blood and the Body”; that is the bread and the wine.

      I will try to tell my story easy and slowly so all of you can benefit from it. I myself have no fear from any Organisations or any man who could possibly harm me. I am in Christ and therefore the love I now have, “bares not fear”.

      You wrote: “I read what you wrote and it is the slave and black experience. Most on here are aware of the slave/black experience but will be benefited by knowing your religious experience in this regard”.
      quote end.

      My comment:

      OK, the reason I mentioned this and gave you (from my heart) the beautiful songs and music; that is those peoples testimonies.

      Once they were slaves, but now they are Kings (Kings together with Jesus Christ). Imagine the children and the women, just for a moment.

      “Once was lost, but now found”.

      And the men, the lynching, the whip and the abuse of all of them. Then President Lincoln gave room for them in the society. (my “nickname” Lincoln)

      1) “Just one month after writing this letter, Lincoln issued his first Emancipation Proclamation, which announced that at the beginning of 1863, he would use his war powers to free all slaves in states still in rebellion (as they came under Union control)”.
      quote end.

      2) “Passed by Congress on January 31, 1865, and ratified on December 6, 1865, the 13th amendment abolished slavery in the United States and provides that “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or ..”
      quote end.

      I could keep on with the records, but as you yourself says; your are well aware of it. But to me, it never ends. I keep seeing this poor people overrun by the white people again and again (and sometimes even by their own).

      So, when I see the love for Jesus expressed in the Christian songs and music, I commit myself to join them (in the spirit) and when I can.

      1 Corinthians 12:3 “You know that when you were pagans, you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I inform you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,”

      and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

      4 There are different gifts, but the same Spirit.…”
      quote end.

      My comment:

      So simple is it. “Things” are not always as “things” looks like.

      I am sure you do not expect me to tell my story right here, but I will say; give me some time.

      I will tell you a little story, a few years ago (I think it was 4 years ago).

      I have been working by the Theatre in Copenhagen for quite some years. I have been doing scenography constructions with a team.

      So, I have many friends there and once in a while they invite me to the Theatre to se a show. After we have bear and talk.

      That one evening I was sitting in the City bus in front looking out on the traffic. I drive myself (as I can understand you do a lot) so I watched the traffic.

      All of a sudden I se something is going to happen. One car try to pull out just in front of the bus and I grab with both hands to hold on.

      From a quirt drive in the bus he catastrophe brakes and the bus ended in the opposite direction and all the passengers came rolling down the middle.

      In a moment when things like this happens everyone are almost paralysed. I had the nerve to tell the bus driver to call the police and the ambulance and his office; and said that he was not going to drive more that day.

      I looked down the bus and there on the floor was a lady ling and yes, she was black. On her side stood another black lady and did not know what to do. I went and told her that the ambulance was coming and gave her my cart so if they wanted they could call me and I would help with some sort of compensation from the bus company.

      After 2 seeks she called me (the lady on the floor). She had a very serious injury and was a little confused what to do now.

      We arranged a meeting on a public office and we spoke. She was a born again Christian from Ethiopia and had a long story to tell. (surprise)

      I do not know how much you know about that, but after the great hunger in 1988 and four years ahead Audrey Hepburn became UN ambassador to UNISEF, she helped the people.

      War came and in the surrounding countries and people was taken prison and enrolled in many war activities.

      From one of these FN refugees camps, this black girl came to Denmark, with scares on her soul, but finely she met Jesus. He was the black lady on the floor of the bus, the other one was her daughter.

      And then 24 years after I met her.

      Many things follow me in intervals. “10 years, 40 years, 5 years etc.

      Now she was sick and once again, other people had to fight for her. This time I was the one.

      So, after some time I did some research and the company was not going to pay her for damage, but I took the company to court and she got a big compensation after 3 years.

      So, many things has happened ever since with this lady and her little son has become a Christian and baptised in the Holy Spirit. We are still waiting for her adult daughter, but she will come.

      This is not the only one experience I have had, they come all the time, the black people for me to comfort them and assist them in many ways.

      I cannot tell everything, but once they are safe with Jesus they do fine. This is my way to pay back for the transgressing they have had as a people.

      Now, I don`t start to explain any calculations about any years or dogmas or speculations on heaven or earth.

      All thy need is Jesus. Once that happens, everything else fall into place.

      After her accident she got this licence in her car to help disable people parking special places. Some of her pain has now gone.

      It happened this way; one day this summer she told me her son was to go to a youth meeting with prayer and salvations of the Holy Spirit, prayer and songs. Very powerful.

      On the Sunday service she also went (she told me this) and a large group of teenagers and children and some adults from USA were there.

      Singing, preaching and mostly praying. They called up for prayer and she went up.

      She were carrying this pain in her neck after the accident and ask to be prayed for. They did twice and the pain went away.

      This is a little story from everyday life and millions of people coming to Jesus all over the wold are experience this.

      They did not study. They did not baptised (after yes), and they did not know very much about the Bible, but Jesus loves them so much. And so should we. Just love them.

      I would have loved to give evidence from YouTube, but not.
      ____________________________________________________________

      To day my wife (she is also coloured) went to an antique market. We have been before and met this young lady from Mauritius. She is seeing this Danish man. Last time I found out he comes actually from a family of Jehovah`s Witnesses.

      He told me. I was talking to him about this Mauritius lady because I was so sad on her behalf. You should see her.

      Her hands and fingers and neck and face. I asked him what had happened and he told me she, when 19 years old was a victim of a gas explosion and got so very bad injured and burned. I cry.

      When I see that sort of things, I cannot hold back and must go and tell about Jesus and therefore he told me of his family Jehovah`s Witnesses.

      So to day we went to bless them.

      I will not bother you more to day. some other day I will tell you about how I left Jehovah`s Witnesses more the less, how they told the congregation that I was not one to associate with.

      In Jesus Christ your brother I am Niels Lundgreen.

    • Lincoln

      OK, sister Jacqueline and others here.

      I will begin to tell my story.

      My family started study with JW in the beginning of 1950th. First my mom and then father and then we three children. I was about 8 years old and we, my 2 sisters just did what father and mother did and said.

      We had a very good time and good friends and children for us to play with yes a good life.

      Finely when I became teenager I began to take this more serious. So, one assembly me and my friend thought we would do as all others, get baptised. So we did. I must have been 14.

      After this you can say I got involved and started witnessing, participate theocratic school and getting responsibility in Kingdom Hall.

      Everything was fine and we and I was happy. But it happened in 1961 to the big International assembly in Copenhagen Denmark, I met all these foreign brothers and sisters. I was 17.

      I met some from abroad in 1954 (I think it was) in Stockholm and I got this very strange feeling of “getting out to see the world”.

      I remember South Pacific when it was shown here in Denmark, I lost my heart to the Pacific. (it would take me a little more than 25 years before I eventually went.

      I went to live on the island of Sri Lanka (Ceylon) for more than a year and a little travel of 3 month in Bombay India. I am sure the brothers in the office in Bombay still remembers me. I got sick there and was in hospital, but survived. This was 1975.

      But after this assembly in Copenhagen 1961 I decided to emigrate as 18 years old. I did, to Canada. I also am sure people there remembers me. I lived in Toronto and associated with a congregation on Dundee Street. I had so many fine friends there and I miss them sometimes. What a great time.

      To the assembly in Copenhagen 1961 I met a lot of friends from USA and was introduced to many. Also the black brothers and sisters. I was 17 and well, girls has interest.

      But after a couple of years (I had to finish school) I bought a one-way ticket to Canada. In the meantime I had part-time been trained and worked for a Landscaper / gardener here in Denmark (a Jehovah’s Witnesses)and was very good doing this,

      so when I came to Canada; this Danish man (certainly not a Jehovah`s Witnesses) had invited me; he had this big Landscaping company and now, I was the only one who had a formal “education” in Landscaping.

      After 1½ year I went back to Denmark and after another year I married a Danish sister. 1964

      But after 6 years we broke up and I was disfellowshiped, but came back soon again, but this time I was alone. So, so time went by. This is
      when I went to live on Ceylon (Sri Lanka). I associated with the brothers there and everyone was happy to meet me there. Also in Bombay they loved me. This was in 1975-1976

      Coming back to Denmark I remarried and we got this child (now a nice young daughter of 33 years)

      My x the mother of this child and I divorced because she found another man she liked better than me. Bad luck for me and began a couple of years, very tough for me.

      My daughter then 9 years old, my x-wife wanted her to go to a club for young once and I thought it was not safe for her (I was still a Jehovah`s Witnesses).

      My x-wife was not disfellowshiped and everything was very like, dreamlike.

      I had this feeling of walking around in a sleep and a bad dream.

      Well, I had been attracted to the Pentecostal people in Copenhagen both trough the TV and listen at night (I was alone) to their radio program, but also because I found out they had a class for children of the age of my daughter and my x-wife was agree that it could not harm.

      So, one Sunday I brought my daughter to the Pentecostal club for young children and thought I might just as well stay there as long as it lasted.

      That you can say I should not have done.

      I have never in my hole life seen or heard anything like this before. The first I thought was; are the Witnesses some how? Or, who are those people? It was like a lightning had hit me.

      After some time (I came back) I thought I should invite Jehovah`s Witnesses to come and see for themselves. In the study group I attended (now you must remember, everyone was very happy, I was happy and they were happy, also in the Kingdom Hall) and I thought I would share this wonderful experience with them.

      This they did not want. One day I was invited to a party with Jehovah`s Witnesses to meet other brothers sand sisters who were alone. I could not help to tell about all the wonderful things I had experienced, but they did not agree.

      One called the preceding overseer of the congregation, my very good friend who often allowed me to express “thoughts” to the meetings.

      Well after some time, they announced to the congregation; that

      “I was not to be associated with, since I had left the Jehovah`s Witnesses Organisation”.

      I was there to that meeting. I said to myself that I would look at them when they announced this.

      But everything was very quiet. No big deal. This was 1991 or 1992.

      After 5 years with much blessings and love, I met the wife I have now. She is a coloured girl and we have been married now for 20 years. I think and hope we shall stay together for ever. I will tell you how I met her, next time.

      We are not associating deeply with the Pentecostal church in Copenhagen for the time being (that is another long story) but what we have is Jesus. We associate with almost everyone who loves Jesus and we have had so many fantastic experiences about this.

      After (for me) 25 years as a born again Christian, it is like it was just yesterday.

      Sunday service her in our home we got this word from Jesus: Mark 2:1-12

      “5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” ”
      quote end.

      My comment:

      This is how it is. Jesus talks to your heart all the time.

      Now, then I met you people here. I don`t know you, but I must say that you are very kind. I will stay here for a while and talk with you and maybe we can find out of some things. My hope is you will meet Jesus and be baptised with the Holy Spirit.

      You are right, we are a large group of Christians seeking Jesus. I don`t care about all the calculations or the Pyramid Theology, but I will respect you have this ideas.

      To end this long letter to you I will say: thank you Peter for welcome me here. And to you Jacqueline, this was crystal clear to me in the midst of all this here; The moment when you told me about your holy communion with the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) I knew it.

      This will be all for now.

      • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

        Lincoln thank you for sharing your experiences. I see you are grounded and okay from your experience with the witnesses and you and your wife are in the Pentecostal religion and are happy with it. Glad to hear that.
        I spend my time talking and helping those that have not done so well with coming out of the witnesses. I don’t have the energy to get in discussions with other religions, if they are happy with their relationship that is not any of my business. I am glad they believe in Christ and in the new world it will prove to be an advantage. I also can’t on this website discuss all the things believed by other religions. This is a specific website for:
        THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO ADJUST AFTER THEY HAVE DECIDED TO LEAVE THE WITNESSES. Also it is a reference website to explain the changes and doctrines and thoughts before the split after Br. Russell died.
        You are not interested in that but others are interested. Websites have to remain true to subjects or people tune out when they see things that they aren’t interested in.
        For instance your thoughts would be better on a separate website or facebook page explaining your thoughts to ejx. The comments can be very long and people will dialogue with you on that.
        We can’t do it here, this is not a free for all website. Jehovah witnesses and xJw would not as you know be interested in the Pentecostal experience on this website but if your congregations has a website they now know they can find out about it. It has been a pleasure talking with you and I hope you continue to use this site as a reference site if you desire. Take Care. Jacqueline

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