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  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { replying to traveler and myself. A correction....I meant i agree with the use of Yahweh as opposed to Jehovah. } – Apr 26, 10:24 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Nubby Tope, i wish you could print that song here and let us all see it. Or a link to it maybe. I think it... } – Apr 26, 8:24 PM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { I still can't get over that first song at the Memorial where GB were praised but not once was Jesus mentioned! Who is the Memorial... } – Apr 26, 8:13 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { For the individual coming over to look at the articles on the "Organization" here are a few other quotes on this subject. "Christ thus leads... } – Apr 26, 3:34 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { I understand the theology of the witnesses better than perhaps the best. So do probably all of the people that you encounter that say they... } – Apr 26, 12:03 PM
  • User Avatartraveler { I see tongue and the confusion of the languages as the same because that was just an overall summary. Thanks for the answer Jacqueline. Tongue... } – Apr 26, 11:16 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Traveler 4 points. I want to say I left the witness religion for reasons other than theology or doctrine. 2. When your comment does not... } – Apr 25, 10:46 PM
  • User Avatartraveler { LANGUAGE Language has been used interchangeably with tongue or speech in recent history. If you look at the definitions today you soon realize that language... } – Apr 25, 12:49 PM
  • User Avatartraveler { Hi JSSG, Yes, we're aware of the information you brought out. As for the Catholic monks being spot on, well let's say they thought they... } – Apr 25, 12:48 PM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { Traveler........have you considered this information? It seems when the English language was forming that the Catholic monks were spot on in the way they decided... } – Apr 24, 3:46 PM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Hi, I read your posts and find them interesting enough to hold my attention. I do like hearing all the different thoughts. I agree with... } – Apr 23, 7:08 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Traveler I will answer you shortly when I get time to read the post. I think I need to share why I left. For entirely... } – Apr 23, 6:39 PM
  • User Avatartraveler { Hi Jacqueline, On our part the post was basically directed toward you. We never expected the large majority to read the considerations. We appreciate what's... } – Apr 23, 12:28 PM
  • User AvatarJust Stay Sweet and Good { Regarding Romans 5 verse 13 uses Strongs 3956 which is ALL....verse 17 uses uses Strongs 4183 which is many....verse 18 again uses 3956 = ALL.......twice... } – Apr 22, 10:49 PM
  • User Avatartraveler { Hi Chris, we quote what is true as we've found it in connection with the Bible. This is also true when we quote Russell or... } – Apr 22, 9:46 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { I watched this when it was first posted but I was just coming out and didn't understand what Raymond Franz was talking about. Now with... } – Apr 22, 3:58 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Interested one all subjects are to the left. That was just a suggestion. Be confident in what you believe. We have all been there but... } – Apr 22, 11:13 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Hi Jacqueline, Thanks for your advice! That's not a problem! It was nice having the freedom to express my-self! My last post had some important... } – Apr 22, 10:40 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon! Aah! my friendly opposer! You don't read well do you? Because if you did you will see I DO NOT BELIEVE Jesus is simply... } – Apr 22, 10:03 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Interested one, may we ask please that we close this topic and move on to another one? Thank you for explaining your thoughts on Archangel,... } – Apr 22, 9:44 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { AnonJC good morning, i remember when the society used to use that scripture to describe persons at the door who had a brain and was... } – Apr 22, 9:39 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Anyways I won’t cast anymore pearls before swine. It’s like trying to explain what the color purple smells like. Have a great time. See you... } – Apr 22, 8:59 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Haha. I’m right only in my own mind? Let’s see. You disagree with the JW theology and searched for a non- trinitarian relgion. You found... } – Apr 22, 8:20 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon, I could discuss this all summer too! But I don't see the point! Your so right, in your own mind. No one else can... } – Apr 22, 7:39 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { So simple that you’ve accepted the Unitarian thoughts by looking them up and agreeing to them and then claiming they are from the Bible. You... } – Apr 22, 5:13 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { There you go again. I can argue this all Summer as I have the time off. Taking the same word found in one place and... } – Apr 22, 5:10 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Just thought I would mention, congregation are asking all to sign a waiver to say their information can be stored and used by the society.... } – Apr 21, 10:48 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Br. Richard, Ooooh, Goody!! 🙂 I'll eagerly anticipate the email. I enjoyed the last one's you sent. Thanks again. Cheers and gratitude, my dear friend... } – Apr 21, 10:09 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon, I like wise pray you will be enlighten to know God's simple truths and some not so simple. lols, I hope you have anejoyable... } – Apr 21, 7:16 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon, No, it may seem to you that I cut it short, but I didn't I went on to explain the difference. Man and slave... } – Apr 21, 7:08 PM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Bro Greg,Greetings from Australia,I am going to send you a e/mail copy on the Subject "THE I AM".It is from a talk I gave in... } – Apr 21, 6:05 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Anyways I’m going to end the conversation there. I hope god opens your eyes to see the glorious truth of him sending his son to... } – Apr 21, 5:59 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Personally I don’t believe Jesus is Michael. This is a teaching of the Second adventists among with the other teaching that russell believed in. I... } – Apr 21, 4:17 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon, Your welcome to your Interpretation, on how you see Rev 19. I'm not out to change you. Though, I prefer, to understand it from... } – Apr 21, 3:47 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Noel I know Joanna and Dave. I will be in Chicago tomorrow with Joanna's mom, sister Marge. They are from Portland, Oregon I believe. We... } – Apr 21, 2:23 PM
  • User AvatarNoel { I haven't seen the movie yet. Do you know Br. Dave and his wife Sr. Joanna? I believe they are from Chicago. I met them... } – Apr 21, 1:38 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { I’m watching it now. Thank you so much for showing it to me. } – Apr 21, 11:01 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { It’s on amazon for $7.45 for the DVD. It’s also on there for free if you have prime. } – Apr 21, 10:14 AM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Unfortunately the film is not online, but you can purchase a copy at www.hellandmrfudge.org } – Apr 21, 9:53 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { No you didn’t give an answer on Rev 19:13. You gave a half behind answer to just have answer to look knowledge. Is the Word... } – Apr 21, 9:39 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon, Well I must commend you on a much better presentation, Your right, God, and Lord, are not personal names! But THE CONTEXT helps us... } – Apr 21, 9:07 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Interested one: Kim and Mikey have tons of videos on all the subjects. My relatives actually sat there and listened to the letter in more... } – Apr 21, 8:53 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Noel thanks for the report. Ours is tonight at 7pm and we have had some new brothers and sisters on with interesting stories. I love... } – Apr 21, 8:37 AM
  • User AvatarNoel { Good morning. Yes, I attended last night's (Saturday) meeting with Brs. Richard and Jeff. It was an interesting meeting. Br. Richard shared anout Judge Rutherford... } – Apr 21, 8:04 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Hi Jacqueline, Nice to hear from you again! I was baptised in 1973, so that makes me about 45 years, never been d/f. I attend... } – Apr 21, 8:00 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Elohim isn’t a personal name Adonai isn’t a personal name Elm shaddai isn’t a personal name Doesn’t make God any less than God. Being called... } – Apr 21, 7:55 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon Your beginning to sound like a troll, not willing to help or reason but spruik your own little dittys. It seems you have a... } – Apr 21, 7:41 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Thanks for uou sincere reply interested. I won't talj about the subject anymore as I only have to convince myself. May i ask if you... } – Apr 21, 7:20 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon, At Rev 19:13 Jesus is given a number of figurative titles, He is called Faithful and True, he is called my a name he... } – Apr 21, 7:13 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Noel, I hope you were able to get on last night. Jeff was trying to get on also. I will email Br. Tazzyman to let... } – Apr 21, 7:09 AM
  • User AvatarNoel { How can I watch the Edward Fudge movie? I'm trying to look for it in the internet (the full movie), but can't find it. } – Apr 21, 6:13 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { See there you go again. Get it through your Skull. WE NEVER SAID JESUS AS A MAN PREEXISTED. See this is what we mean. You... } – Apr 21, 4:37 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Not at all puffed up. I’ve studied this belief years ago. And it made no sense. I looked at all the Unitarian Sites and listens... } – Apr 21, 4:34 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { More Unitarian Talking Points. Just Because word “transferred isn’t there doesn’t mean that the concept isn’t there. 1. You’re assumption is you think because it... } – Apr 21, 4:29 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Explain in Php 2:7 how an immaterial Plan in gods man can humble himself! He can’t. } – Apr 21, 4:11 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Believe what’ I’ve been told by others? The minute you said “Word = plan” I know you have been listenibgUnitarians. No one gets that conclusion... } – Apr 21, 4:09 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Then Rev 19:13 is just an expression and not jesus right? He is called the Word of Hod here as well. } – Apr 21, 4:07 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { That’s still where you cannot get it through your head. We didn’t say a MAN preexisted himself. Jesus was a spirit before a man. That’s... } – Apr 21, 4:05 AM
  • User AvatarNoel { I mean 4:14 pm, Philippines time } – Apr 21, 3:26 AM
  • User AvatarNoel { Good evening. It's 4:14 pm, Philippines home right now. I haven't been able to attend the Saturday testimony meeting this past 3 weeks, because I... } – Apr 21, 3:25 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Jacqueline, thanks for passing my post on. And thanks for putting forth some issues that need to be clarified! You ask what parts did you... } – Apr 20, 10:51 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Lee Anthony, Someone made this a topic of discussion, I didn't, Someone is trying to promote Jesus as an archangel. I'm just giving my view,... } – Apr 20, 9:24 PM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Jesus WAS A MAN.😳. Scripture says he humbled himself and took the form of a man something lower than what he was.He was Not God,... } – Apr 20, 7:29 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Interested one just in case Greg does not comment back to you. I would like to bring to your attention something you repeat that hasnt... } – Apr 20, 6:39 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Hi Jacqueline, Thanks for your input! If you make the claim, it is born of God's body or out of his spirit we can say... } – Apr 20, 6:25 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { FOR " Greg " Christian Greeting to Greg! Let me say from the outset, I appreciate your sincere interest in me! And your well expressed... } – Apr 20, 6:14 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon, Sweetie, I did show you! But your too puff up with your own belief to understand! My understanding comes from the Bible,And I have... } – Apr 20, 5:45 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon, No problem! Have a good rest! good nite! } – Apr 20, 5:17 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon, You my friendly foe, you believe what you have been told by others! You have been taught by others that Jesus had a pre-existence... } – Apr 20, 5:15 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon, I understand the logos to be what (comes out of ones mouth) as the expression of ones thoughts, whether they be from a human... } – Apr 20, 5:06 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon JC Your comment I see a lot of speculation in your answers. Please re-evaluate and get back to me. You tend to take something... } – Apr 20, 4:53 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Hi Jacqueline, Can you pass my post on to Greg as his reply button is not working and I don't know how to reply to... } – Apr 20, 4:20 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Anyways I’m done responding. Have a good night. I won’t be checking back. I hope you one day have your eyes opened to the errors... } – Apr 20, 3:35 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { He’s not going to see it. He’s made his mind up. } – Apr 20, 3:22 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Interested oh, wow, you last statement on only begotten, now I see where you are coming from and can buy into that for a minute.... } – Apr 20, 3:17 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { It’s called a type sweetie. Explain how Jesus can “ascend to where I was before” if he never existed there! That’s you catch 22. See... } – Apr 20, 3:08 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { You don’t believe the truth. You believe what Unitarians have said is the truth. It starts with an assumption that if Jesus is not God... } – Apr 20, 3:04 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Hi Again! Anon, your absolutely right! I believe what is the truth! } – Apr 20, 3:01 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Anon Your quoting the Hebrew rosh = head Which can mean first, the head of me, my master or leader. “Mou” = possessive pronoun of... } – Apr 20, 2:51 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { God word is not what youre using but speculation. Like the Logos means a plan of God. God word said that he was in heaven... } – Apr 20, 2:16 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { I see a lot of speculation in your answers. Please re-evaluate and get back to me. You tend to take something and then grab another... } – Apr 20, 2:11 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Greetings Anon; Yes, I see your relies, and their now coming through with the reply button. 1)To the contrary, I came to those conclusions myself,... } – Apr 20, 1:58 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Interested one You wrote: "So to keep it short, it has given me a greater insight into the God of truth, and an greater appreciation... } – Apr 20, 10:54 AM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { But anyways Im not going to respond anymore. He's going to believe what he wants. Just like the flat earthers even a picture of the... } – Apr 20, 10:30 AM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { Hey. Yes I know. I posted in several posts because when I was trying to respond it wouldn't let me do it all at one... } – Apr 20, 10:16 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Christopher, may I mske a suggestion? Interested one is in a different part of the world. Maybe let him wake up,consider what you have said... } – Apr 20, 10:03 AM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { 3. “John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify you me with thine own self with the glory which I had with you before the world... } – Apr 20, 8:46 AM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { 1. "רֹאשׁ, first; either in time or place, in any succession of things or of persons;" This is why John 1:15 is translated "he existed... } – Apr 20, 8:40 AM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { Interested One; I have to make multiple posts because I typed this in a word processor and it doesn't show up. 1. You're like arguing... } – Apr 20, 8:39 AM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { Can you see my posts } – Apr 20, 8:37 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Christian Greetings Jacqueline! Nice to hear from you again. Before I forget, the reply button to your comments and those of AnonJC do not show... } – Apr 20, 7:52 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Hi Anon Your quote Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the... } – Apr 20, 7:17 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Greeting Anon! This is your quote! “Incorrect again brother. The scripture said “the rock that followed them”. The rock your speaking of did not follow... } – Apr 20, 6:39 AM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid... } – Apr 20, 6:14 AM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Incorrect again brother. The scripture said “the rock that followed them”. The rock your speaking of did not follow them. Keep up. The rock is... } – Apr 20, 4:43 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Lee Anthony, I have put these reference to-gether and should be considered in relation as to what the rock was in Exodus and numbers. Ex... } – Apr 19, 10:04 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Interested one I thought, I could feel even that you had a Jehovah witness background. I wanted to be patience with you and see if... } – Apr 19, 9:45 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Again you err. Your biblical interpretation isn’t correct. When Lee used the rock that followed them was christ you proceed to jump to other scriptures... } – Apr 19, 8:44 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Lee. He’s blind. We all see his errors but he can’t. I would just leave him alone in his blindness and move on. His eyes... } – Apr 19, 8:42 PM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Hi Lee Anthony, It seems as though I cannot reply directly to your last comments page 7 #373170 Maybe it's a way of saying the... } – Apr 19, 6:32 PM
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  • Anonymous

    Jehovah Witness has destroyed my life and the lives of my family. They act so saints ominous in front of others when the are no better than those they reguard as WORLDLY. They have their own little clicks. Money seems to make a difference in how your treated and accepted. They are liars. They are controll freaks, they try to take over and run your life. They are NARCISSIST.

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Hi anonymous, I can almost feel your heart bleeding by your brief descriptive and accurate words. I dont know all your details but any one of the thousands on this website could have written the exact words. They, I have to believe are under the direct influence if satan. My reason for saying this is they are like him, destruction of family is what he did in Eden and afterwards. Consider Job becaused Job loved God and God loved him, satan hit his family right off the bat. God must love you too for him to use what he knows works against lovers of Jehovah and Jesus, destroying your family. GOD is listening and governments are moving against that governing body system. Until you get relief you are welcome here with us and you can talk, we will listen and help you.
      What happenned

    • Marjo

      Hello you are right about that money has shown important role if you wanted to make friends with JW’s. All of them weren’t into money, but when it came to young witnesses, their hobbies were expensive and they chose their friens like, whom had enough money to follow them. Some of them drove with BMW’s and Mercedes. Things what they own, show what they are inside.

  • Richard

    Struggle somewhat with “all” being resurrected… there have been, and still are, evil people who existed, and continue to exist in these last days. So when they are resurrected will they return with their violent ways, and will they continue to be a threat to us followers of Christ?

    • greg (Bible Student)

      Richard,

      Ah, yes indeed, an excellent question. Those resurrected will still have the same mind and heart as when they died.

      Though Isaiah 11:6-9 speaks of animals, I conclude that this passage is pictorial of the animalistic tendencies within persons because verse 9 speaks of nothing and no one causing harm or ruin because the earth is filled with the knowledge of Jehovah. I’m thinking it will people, not animals that will have this knowledge (appreciation).

      (from RVIC)

      6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
      7 And the cow and the bear shall feed together; and their young ones shall lie down; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
      8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den.
      9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

      Moreover, one of the many hats Jesus will hear has the title “Prince of Peace,” and surely, if he could quiet the raging sea and wind, and heal the ear of the soldier that Peter cut off, he can certainly use his power to restrain the attempts to harm others.

      There are several discussions on this subject found within the Studies in the Scriptures, such as on page 217 in volume 1, and many other references listed in the Expanded Biblical Comments. I recall reading one expression that made sense with my own experience, and though I can’t locate the exact page and paragraph at the moment, it said that in contrast to how Ecclesiastes 8:11 speaks of the way things are presently, where a person can act in a harmful way with no immediate consequences, and thus no immediate awareness of how that “bad act” is actually harmful to them as well, in the Kingdom, there will be immediate feedback that will “teach” people that they are really only hurting themselves when they try to hurt others.

      -greg

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Richard people sin differently. Jesus came to save sinners. The sick. Some of us without influence would by nature practice good but without a redeemer of Adam we might as well have been bad. Al Capone loved to plant flowers and gave to charities. I wonder what changed him? Greed, bad breaks? This helps me grasp that some very bad sinners had something bad happen to change them. I don’t know if you see what I am saying but Jesus ransomed Adam thus ALL men. We all fall short but differently. A gossiper or liar destroys many lives. Even sending the wrong person to prison and he dies by someone else’s hand. A murderer takes one life. Which is the worse sinner? Sin is sin. They both brings death and redemption pays it’s price for All.

      • greg (Bible Student)

        Jacqueline,

        Your comment inspires me to write a lengthy novel on my learnings that mirror and evidence the same conclusions as you make.

        Put simply, we are all, each and every one of us made in God’s image. And all God’s works are perfect–even in that they can become damaged. God’s qualities are thus imbued in us from even before we are conceived. And our unbroken nature tends towards compassion and love and giving.

        It is our environment, our cultural programming, and the evil things that have happened to us that damage some of us so severely that we begin to imagine it as impossible to meet our own needs without ignoring (and often trampling on) the needs of another. When this happens in a person, they become broken–not evil. They may DO evil henceforth, but they are broken, disconnected from life.

        It is an extremely rare thing to find someone truly evil. I can think of only one or two names that MIGHT possibly be considered “evil”, but even with these one’s, I cannot help but wonder, what HAPPENED to them?

        In my experience, people do well IF THEY CAN. People WANT to do well. People STRIVE to learn, and grow, and improve–IF THEY CAN. I see The Peaceful Kingdom providing all the healing and nurturing conditions conducive for all people to do well.

        I have seen so much evidence of this in my own experience. And I know of many other noteable names that have expressed similar experiences.

        True, not everyone is able to see the world this way–at least not at first. But that seems to me to be precisely part of the machine (Satan’s design) that creates such enemy images of persons in the first place. And then it’s only a small step to the side to start behaving in ways considered evil.

        I’d really like to quote two people that greatly influenced my life, learning, and growth over the years.

        Carl Rogers wrote in his book “On Becoming a Person” (pages 26, 27):

        (begin quote)
        There is one deep learning which is perhaps basic to all of the things I have said thus far. It has been forced upon me by more than twenty-five years of trying to be helpful to individuals in personal distress. It is simply this. It has been my experience that persons have a basically positive direction. In my deepest contacts with individuals in therapy, even those whose troubles are most disturbing, whose behavior has been most anti-social, whose feelings seem most abnormal, I find this to be true. When I can sensitively understand the feelings which they are expressing, when I am able to accept them as separate persons in their own right, then I find that they tend to move in certain directions. And what are these directions in which they tend to move? The words which I believe are most truly descriptive are words such as positive, constructive, moving toward self-actualization, growing toward maturity, growing toward socialization. I have come to feel that the more fully the individual is understood and accepted, the more he tends to drop the false fronts with which he has been meeting life, and the more he tends to move in a direction which is forward.

        I would not want to be misunderstood on this. I do not have a Pollyanna view of human nature. I am quite aware that out of defensiveness and inner fear individuals can and do behave in ways which are incredibly cruel, horribly destructive, immature, regressive, anti-social, hurtful. Yet one of the most refreshing and invigorating parts of my experience is to work with such individuals and to discover the strongly positive directional tendencies which exist in them, as in all of us, at the deepest levels.
        (end quote)

        Marshall Rosenberg wrote in his book “Nonviolent Communication – A Language of Life” (page 162):

        (begin quote)
        The assumption behind the protective use of force is that people behave in ways injurious to themselves and others due to some form of ignorance. The corrective process is therefore one of education, not punishment. Ignorance includes (a) a lack of awareness of the consequences of our actions, (b) an inability to see how our needs may be met without injury to others, (c) the belief that we have the “right” to punish or hurt others because they “deserve” it, and (d) delusional thinking that involves, for example, hearing a “voice” that instructs us to kill someone.

        Punitive action, on the other hand, is based on the assumption that people commit offenses because they are bad or evil, and to correct the situation, they need to be made to repent. Their “correction” is undertaken through punitive action designed to make them (1) suffer enough to see the error of their ways, (2) repent, and (3) change. In practice, however, punitive action, rather than evoking repentance and learning, is just as likely to generate resentment and hostility and to reinforce resistance to the very behavior we are seeking.
        (end quote)

        I can affirm without reservation, that both these expressions have been equally true (and equally surprising at first) in my experience also. And yes, I echo Carl when I admit truthfully that this view was rather “forced upon me” by my own experience as well.

        Did I mention how much I enjoyed Br. Rick Suraci’s discourse “A boy and His Uncle” from this year’s convention?

        “Small Steps. Read Pages. Chickens can’t burp.”

        -greg

        • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

          Greg, I think Jehovah knows this about human nature that even the evilest person can change and many will. Some will change and when satan is loosed, they will with full knowledge choose as he did to go against God. But when we hear what happened in youth to some of the molesters we will have compassion and help them heal as well as their victims. This is a job ahead of us all as we learn from Christ. I can’t judge a person now because like you I have heard of some of the vile things done to children who are now adults on my table telling the story.
          While we are talking, let me hit a controversial subject that ignited a storm on facebook with many a “Christian”. It is the Gay community and I will tell only one story that totally shook me to my core.
          Late one night it was snowing hard and we were advised by the DOT not to shut down our shops until the truck drivers got off the highways and were okay. (My business was at flying J service center at crossroads of America., Dr. haircuts etc)
          A person walked in and I wasn’t sure how to address them but proceeded without saying he or she.
          When I had the person flat on their back with hairline showing and all (I am also a licensed cosmetologist) I knew this was a she. the cheekbones, neck gorgeous hair and we talked about the same things and loved it.
          This person cried and said I like you, you are so kind to me. He said what do you think my gender is? I said beyond a shadow of a doubt you are female but yet I also see male in a strange way, plus your dress is distinctly male. So I said do you want to talk about it? Yes. The story and my exam and observation convinced me that there is some hormonal mixup in the womb, maybe because of chemicals in our food, our additive air but this was my second person that I can attest they are neither male nor female but somewhere in between. The other person was a witness brother that choose the male gender because the society GB) said he should try to chose one and stick to it. This person and I became friends that night and I told him about the kingdom and how the suffering would end and all mankind would be made whole. She dressed as a male to be able to fight and keep peace near her. He was both but he was a female. I am not talking about your promiscuous individuals having a good time but there is something wrong with the gene pool now. I have seen many case files on this.
          That is why I don’t be judging people. I have to leave that up to God and just do what he told us to do, preach, teach and baptize in the name of the Father and Son.
          All judging has been put into his hands. I just feel sorry for the people who as a child was hardened and turned into an animal. Just had to get that out there. We have a diverse audience.

          • greg (Bible Student)

            Jacqueline, and all others who might be reading,

            Thank you so very sincerely for sharing this with all of us.

            This story touches me so deeply, so profoundly. I cannot say in words how thankful I am to you for sharing it. Now I don’t have to try and share similar stories from my encounters with persons who have been unfairly judged, condemned, shunned, and mistreated over the years. I really do weep tears for the secret shames, the hidden fears, the loss of anything resembling normality, and the traumatic fallout that so many persons who have been broken and damaged face and endure every day. For those who manage to endure, I hope and pray they also manage to find moments of relief, and possibly even joy. For those who make their own relief because they cannot endure any longer, I long for the day I can welcome them back and support them as they work to heal and recover their dignity, their humanity, their hopes, and their lost opportunities.

            Won’t it be wonderful to meet and discover the person they could have been, the person God actually intended for them to be able to grow to be?

            -greg

    • Richard Tazzyman

      Hello Richard,The comments given to you are all very worthwhile.The other thing we need to consider is that Satan & his wicked angels have been bound for a thousand years,Christ is in controll for a thousand years.So Satan has no more influence over Mankind during this time!And the Mighty God( Not the Almighty,Jehovah)Jesus will have the power,Influence to controll mankind,Remember the Scriptures tell Us that they will not cause any Harm in my holy mountain,& if we ask why,the answer is “Because the earth will cetainly be filled with the Knoweldge of Jehovah”!

  • Prodigal

    Anonymous CJ, Thank you for your feed back. But I’m not clear where we are disagree, so help me here, let me analysis your comments.

    We are not disagree, that there is a sin against the Holy spirit. Are we?

    We not disagreeing about Jesus aplication of his ransome sacrifice, (whats covered and whats not covered). Are we?

    But I’m confused; What make you think that I’m not in agreement or disagreeing with your comments.

    I never stated that; “only the anointed poseses the Holy spirit” I quoted the scriptures and what Jesus said on the matter. I just presented my compilation of the scriptures. No opinions!

    I don’t know what scriptural basis you have for this comment: “Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it”. But I will entertain your scriptual findings.

    But please point out your disagreement?

    From the congregation of Ephesus

  • Prodigal

    Prodigal,

    Matt. 26:24 woe to that man through whom the son of man is betrayed, it would have been better for that man if he had not been born, Why?

    This is Jesus’s conclusion, explaining it to Pontius Pilate, about His sacrifice and what is true,
    John 18:37b everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.

    The law prescribe,
    Deuteronomy 27:25 “cursed is the one who accept a bribe to kill an innocent person” … Amen!

    John 19:11b this is why the man who handed me over to you have “greater sin”

    Jesus Himself said in Matthew 12:31, 32 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.” vs 32; For example whoever speaks a word against the son of man it will be forgiven him but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him, No! not in this system of things nor in that to come.

    Jesus explaining to the scribe, “The unforgivable sin”, and elaborate on this point.
    Mark 3:28,29 truly I say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men no matter what the sin they commit and what blaspheming they speak but whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin.

    In another passage, Jesus talking to his Holy Father in a prayer,
    Jn 17:12 when I was with them I used to watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me and I have protected them and not one of them is destroyed except the son of Destruction, “so that the scriptures might be fulfilled”.

    Who is the son of Destruction (mentioned by Jesus) so the scriptures may be fulfilled? “Whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin”.

    There are three known, scriptural sinners, that have sin against the Holy Spirit and is mention in the Bible;

    Judas Iscariot is the first, please call to mind that this particular sin was foretold or prophesied.

    Let me try to use a more modern approach, some of us who have a life policy, known as life insurance policy to protect or cover our benefactors. However all insurance policies have limitations. So those, Jesus ransom sacrifice it’s like a life policy, it has what’s covered and what’s not covered on the policy, technically known as inclusions and exclusions.

    Jesus’s live policy; also has inclusion and exclusion, Truly I say to you… Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever!

    • Anonymous CJ

      Prodigal.,
      Thank you for your comment. However we must disagree. The only unforgivable sin is sin against the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:28-30). Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it. The world of mankind doesn’t not have the Holy Spirit to sin against. Let’s take an example. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe they Sodom will not be resurrected. However lets take a look at what the Bible has to say.

      “Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.” – Matthew 10:15

      If Sodom is not to be ressurected please explain what will be more bearable for them in a day of Judgement that they will not be in!!!!!

      The Bible guarantees a resurrection for everyone.
      “As in Adam all are dying as so in the Christ ask shall be made alive.”
      1 Cor 15:22

      We are currently in the Gospel Age (Christian portion of this system of things) which opened when Christ came and will be open until the 144,000 is complete. Nowhere does the Bible show that anyone other than the spirit anointed can go into second death. The world of mankind cannot blaspheme against what they do not have. The only time the world of mankind will go into second death is at the end of the 1000 years when Satan is let out.

  • greg (Bible Student)

    Hi Peter and/or Jacqueline.

    I tried to reply to this twice now and neither instance showed up. Did I perhaps trigger the spam filters again?

    If my reply attempts can be still retrieved, can you post only the second one, please? I tweaked it a bit more while I was waiting to see if the first attempt showed up.

    Thanks so much.
    -greg

  • greg (Bible Student)

    (Something unexpected happened when I clicked “Post Comment” so I hope this doesn’t show up twice, despite the fact that I checked and waited to see if it actually went through the after first attempt.)

    Hi Lee Anthony.

    I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

    I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

    Brother Russell seems to have indicated his belief that Judas would probably not have any hope of a resurrection. He says, “[Judas] sinned against great light; there is no hope for him in a future life.” And yet he also says, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.” You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

    I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

    Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

    If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

    But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

    And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

    So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

    Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain undecided and unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty. I accept that I do not KNOW for sure, and I don’t find that I absolutely MUST KNOW. Rather, I find myself in total agreement with the words that Brother Russell said, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.”

    How does this sit for you, Lee?
    -greg

  • Lee Anthony

    Hello,
    I have a question about a verse I was just reading (that I have never heard an explanation of) and i have never really thought about before… In (matt. 26:24) Jesus says “woe to the man who betrays the son of man it would be better for him if he had not been born” What is Jesus saying about Judas and it being better not to be born?? It almost seems that he was talking about the way of death cause in 1st part of verse it says “son of man will go just as it is written” yet i thought that somewhere it says jesus was to suffer more than anyone else…Any thoughts?

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Lee Anthony: Thank you for a very interesting question. Let’s take a look at the verse you are citing.

      Matthew 26:24 (NKJV)”The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

      Okay. So Jesus says it is better if Judas had never been born. Never existed? No. A stillborn child / miscarriage is a child that existed it the womb, but never left the womb alive. In that case, Judas could have been resurrected in the Kingdom with a clean slate and a full opportunity for life.

      Job describes the condition of both the child that dies at birth and also the stillborn child who dies in the womb. In both cases, they are said to be sleeping in death with the great people who died before them. These too will be resurrected to the paradise earth kingdom in the future.

      Job 3:11-19 (ESV) “11 Why did I not die at birth,
      come out from the womb and expire?
      12 Why did the knees receive me?
      Or why the breasts, that I should nurse?
      13 For then I would have lain down and been quiet;
      I would have slept; then I would have been at rest,
      14 with kings and counselors of the earth
      who rebuilt ruins for themselves,
      15 or with princes who had gold,
      who filled their houses with silver.
      16 Or why was I not as a hidden stillborn child,
      as infants who never see the light?
      17 There the wicked cease from troubling,
      and there the weary are at rest.
      18 There the prisoners are at ease together;
      they hear not the voice of the taskmaster.
      19 The small and the great are there,
      and the slave is free from his master.”

      We would love to here more from you on this or any other topic.

      • Lee Anthony

        Peter K.
        Thanks for response. Still a little confused on Judas… Is the implication then that he will still have a resurrection? (John 5:28) does say all in the graves will rise so this does of course make sense..

        • greg (Bible Student)

          Hi Lee Anthony.

          I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

          I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

          Brother Russell indicated his belief that Judas would not have any hope of a resurrection. You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

          I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

          Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

          If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

          But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

          And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

          So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

          Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty.

          How does this sit for you, Lee?
          -greg

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Lee Anthony – Greg’s reply helps to illustrate that Bible Students are not united on whether or not Judas will come back in the resurrected. One point of view is that Judas was a special case and a special exception to the Ransom since he had such a close relationship directly with Jesus for 3 1/2 years. If Judas is resurrected he will have to face all mankind in shame and demonstrate real repentance. You can find a debate on the question of whether Judas died the second death here:

          http://bibleresources.info/audio-hymns/audio-sermons/
          Search for the topic below:
          Did Judas Die the Second Death?
          Bill Dutka & Michael Nekora – General Convention 2007

          • Lee Anthony

            Peter and Greg,
            Thanks for insight. This is enough to satisfy my curiosities about the subject, I really have noone to discuss such things with in detail, a jw would just pull up a wt article as an explanation. I find that I dont need an explaination of everything in black and white since that knowledge specifically will not lead me unto life, I believe only Jesus can do that. (john 14:6) However, I will certainly listen to the debate on the matter. Thanks for the link. Study of the scriptures and discussion of that with others is a nice relief from the normal ( we know all attitude of the kingdom hall meetings). Thanks.

            • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

              Lee Anthony hello, I believe Jesus died for all fallen man including his betrayed on that night. They killed him not Judas. The decision was made in Genesis that it was between Satan and her seed not Judas.
              His death before Christ was a loss of being a foundation floor for the kingdom, one of the twelve.
              Could it be Jesus uttered a prophecy about his attitude in the Millennium maybe by saying son of destruction?
              I don’t know but I have faith God will be just for many did much more to our Lord than Judas. Lots could identify Jesus if they had waited until day for he preached openly. I think there is something deeper maybe about Judas as God knows the End to the Beginning on who we will be by choice. Just my two cents worth.

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