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  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { I wanted to post this for future. I was told to destroy all victims files also and not go to court or get disfellowshipped. I... } – Jul 20, 8:05 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { TedR, Yes, you were indeed "well hid" from those of us who were watching online. I'm very happy to meet you here and now, though,... } – Jul 20, 6:02 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Welcome our brother in Christ! Marvie took a picture for me and sent it. I saw you! I go to doctor tomorrow. Everyone on line... } – Jul 20, 4:16 PM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Ted, Hello how are u? There is a convention in afew weeks, wondering if u might attend, I believe it is close to u though... } – Jul 20, 3:55 PM
  • User AvatarTedR { Dear Jacqueline I was so glad you didn't need surgery. I was at the convention. You will notice on the video that I am not... } – Jul 20, 3:36 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Jacqueline, All right, it is ok with me (what you write). Now, the time is 17:30 in the afternoon/evening in Denmark and I am... } – Jul 20, 10:28 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { In one of your pending comments you say "my website". you don't discuss or ask a point you bring in all these songs and links.... } – Jul 20, 8:46 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Jacqueline, I do not publish any website here or elsewhere. As a matter of facts; I do not have a website anywhere. I just... } – Jul 19, 11:51 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Lincoln the other people on here are not aware that you are duplicating your website on here. You are in fact publishing an entire website... } – Jul 19, 8:53 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { dear Friends, You are welcome to open up my comments. } – Jul 19, 10:24 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Everybody, let us please pray for Greg, (Kent). His father called and this seems to be the end of this life for his dear Mother.... } – Jul 19, 9:02 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Nycole, I am moved!!! Your posting has come at the right time. I am under the pressure you exerted on Lee and need to answer... } – Jul 19, 8:59 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Nycole, I'd would like to thank you sincerely for sharing this. I have tears flowing down my cheeks and I need to blow my nose.... } – Jul 19, 7:28 AM
  • User AvatarNycole { Hello. My name is Nycole and this is my story. I'm an ex JW. I had been a witness for 6 years. I married a... } – Jul 18, 10:11 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Jacqueline, I'm truly glad that that you can see that your invested efforts here are showing such rich returns. And I'm exceedingly happy for brother... } – Jul 18, 9:52 PM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Jacqueline, Hello, glad that all is well. Good to hear it, you are in our prayers. Maybe we will see you at Ohio convention in... } – Jul 18, 8:32 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { For those watching the Baptismal talk on the Adobe connect at the General Convention. We have 2 from our Wednesday night study are getting immersed... } – Jul 18, 8:56 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Dear Brothers that are on the General convention hook up. The first brother De Andre doing the devotion is from the friendsofjehovahswitnesses website. So glad... } – Jul 18, 8:37 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Jacqueline, Love and Hugs! Good news to hear. (I'm listening to Br. Peter on the Convention as I type.) Thanks for the update. Take good... } – Jul 17, 6:34 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Hello everybody. My heart is okay no blockage so i am home. I have complete bed rest for 48 hours and no lifting driving etc... } – Jul 17, 1:55 PM
  • User AvatarJust stay sweet and good { I'm so gald these talks are recorded so I can redigest them. So refresing after my 60 years in JW's. And also the two brothers... } – Jul 16, 4:35 PM
  • User AvatarZionsherald { I am here at the convention enjoying the fellowship of the scriptures with old friends and new friends from this site. The fellowship has been... } – Jul 16, 3:59 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { The Talk that is on now is about Armageddon it will be uploaded here in case anyone can't get on before it ends. Please pick... } – Jul 16, 2:35 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline(Bible student) { Greg, my son will communicate with Br. Peter and Henry called to say he will be out there with my son at the hospital. I... } – Jul 16, 10:19 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Jacqueline, Thank you! I got all the emails and links you sent me, and I got to tune in to the Welcome Address this morning.... } – Jul 15, 8:55 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Greg, you expressed how I see the call and the fact that at death only will I know for sure if He chose me to... } – Jul 15, 6:32 PM
  • User Avatarjust stay sweet and good { to greg (Bible Student) This is the line of reasoning I've been working with: Jehovah picks out the bride for his son, just as in... } – Jul 14, 10:37 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Messenger, I'd like to elaborate a little on what Jacqueline has already expressed. But first, a little disclaimer: I might learn some new information subsequent... } – Jul 14, 8:57 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Chuck Maly, I consider myself hugged. Thank you! And may I also extend a similar offer to you. I'm up here in South-Western Ontario, Canada.... } – Jul 14, 7:23 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Just Stay Sweet and Good, I am sincerely grateful for the mention of David's men. I'd not recalled that account, and so your words inspired... } – Jul 14, 7:18 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Email from Chuck Maly, with permission to share. Dear Sister Jacqueline, Gregs post hit me hard. I understand him. Leaving out the JW aspect, I... } – Jul 13, 9:17 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Messenger, Anointed talk topic was put there because some former witnesses suggested it. Bible students consecrate themselves and accept the invitation extended by Jesus to... } – Jul 13, 9:07 PM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Hello messenger, At top of page there are some under annointed talk. Go to older coments and search you can find some there. Here is... } – Jul 13, 6:58 PM
  • User Avatarmessenger { Hello Jacqueline. I came to your web site to read some experiences from Christians you described as anointed. Particularly I'm interested in reading the experiences... } – Jul 13, 6:24 PM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { Exactly Jacqueline. Jehovah's Witnesses and Bible Student's are different. Trying to blend them would be like trying to blend the Catholic relgion with Lutheranism. I... } – Jul 13, 1:05 PM
  • User AvatarJust stay sweet and good { Greg Your a lot more expresive than I am. I feel all the things you articulated so well. Your going to be our favorite spokesman... } – Jul 13, 11:21 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Dear Brothers, this is Jacqueline. Our dear brother Greg's Mom is dying. Can you please read his heart pouring post that will appear when he... } – Jul 12, 6:00 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Hello Everyone. I'm struggling. Really struggling right now. Not only am I grappling with a painful, complex, and challenging situation, it is further complicated because... } – Jul 12, 5:59 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Lincoln, our purpose is not to unite Bible student movement and the witnesses. We are discussing Bible subjects here and most readers here happen to... } – Jul 12, 11:47 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Eddie Morgan, Dear Friends, I`d like to comment this: ”Developments in the political world form the subject matter for The Crumbling Image. Here the... } – Jul 11, 1:00 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Paradise Earth? What do we expect of "Paradise Earth"? Ever since the beginning of Biblical times, we have been trying to establish a paradise earth.... } – Jul 11, 6:34 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Jacqueline, Thanks for your fine comments on mine. Thank you very much. I agree with you. In this way we can really communicate across... } – Jul 10, 9:13 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Lincoln I agree there is not a religious group on the earth today with all truth. God has blessed many people and aided them to... } – Jul 10, 8:22 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { There is a world, out there. When God gives “gifts” in people. God never forgets his creations in human lives. “In the beginning was the... } – Jul 10, 7:17 AM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ. { Thank you for your words. It's one thing to want to dialogue about God but another to take what we believe and try to refute... } – Jul 10, 5:03 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Anon CJ. No, I am not (I will quote you) “searching for God” scheme. You aren’t in here to search for God”. Quote end.... } – Jul 10, 1:20 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Oh okay now I understand. I Should have gone back and read the article. lol. Thanks } – Jul 09, 9:23 PM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ. { Yes and I used my free speech toward you to call out your "I'm searching for God" scheme. You aren't in here to search for... } – Jul 09, 8:28 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Anon CJ. July 8, 2017 at 4:36 pm Dear AnonCJ sorry for your letter to me and the things you say. But, we live in... } – Jul 09, 6:27 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Jacqueline, (I quote you) "Lincoln you lost me on this one. What are you saying? Just want to keep an on point conversation going.... } – Jul 09, 6:14 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Jacqueline, Thank you very much your encouragements. I agree to the words you quote from the Apostle John. ”Listen to the book of John... } – Jul 09, 6:01 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Lincoln you lost me on this one. What are you saying? Just want to keep an on point conversation going. I might add most here... } – Jul 08, 11:15 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Dear Lincoln, Jesus understands that we need to know God! So he said: They own everything together. Listen and follow him in the Gospels and... } – Jul 08, 9:02 PM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ. { "Do you recognize the dates: 1799, 1884, 1878, 1914; but nothing happened what he predicted." These are not End-of-the-world dates. How can Russell predict in... } – Jul 08, 4:36 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Brandon, Thanks. And I know it, too. 🙂 I will post something more soon. You remain in my prayers, also. -greg } – Jul 08, 2:36 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Anon CJ. Thank you for your comments and your thoughts. I am merely trying to find out who God is. We are humans and... } – Jul 08, 12:42 PM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ. { Lincoln, Do you mean how you "view" God not how I "wiev" God since you want to correct peoples mistakes. Firstly, I can tell this... } – Jul 08, 6:45 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Onesimus Benny Ramlall, 71, Clarksville, TN, died 06-02-2012 / That made me very sad after reading his comments here. Expressing his desire to join his... } – Jul 08, 1:11 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Jacqueline, thank you for your comment. I really appreciate the comments from the brothers (and sisters, mostly brothers). It is so interesting for me... } – Jul 07, 6:41 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear AnonCJ, Thank you for your comments. You write: "Please realize that nothing you say to us will shake our faith. Not blindly like the... } – Jul 07, 6:19 AM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Greg, I saw the post, I dont know any details but I will keep you and your family in prayer as the Lord certainly knows.... } – Jul 06, 8:31 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Thanks, Jacqueline. I really appreciate your love and your prayers. Wow! I cannot put into words how good that feels. I'm working on a comment... } – Jul 06, 8:13 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Hi Lincoln this is Jacqueline. I think Greg is referring to something different than what you are speaking about. He and I are talking by... } – Jul 06, 8:02 PM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ. { Actually I did a search for the word Alcyone in the Third volume of the Studies in the Scriptures. The three occurrences do not in... } – Jul 06, 5:09 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { My further comments on ZionsHerald - 8. GOD CANNOT BE PLEASED WITHOUT FAITH. “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that... } – Jul 06, 12:58 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Greg, you wrote: ”I meant to clearly address my thanks to ZionsHerald”. __________________________________________________ I understand you and ZionsHerald too, but I was talking about... } – Jul 06, 12:32 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Dear Greg, I received your email and am devastated to hear about your mother. I will let you tell your experience here in your way... } – Jul 06, 9:57 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Ooops! I meant to clearly address my thanks to ZionsHerald. 🙂 -greg } – Jul 06, 9:01 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { I very much enjoyed your response. To me it is a very thorough reply, and also very appreciation-stimulating. Thank you! -greg } – Jul 06, 8:57 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Thank you ZionsHerald for comments. Yes, we believe that (the words from the Holy Book of the Jews). This is the "way" we understand God.... } – Jul 06, 12:35 AM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Lincoln, We can only go by how the Scriptures describe our Heavenly Father. It is from the Scriptures that we know that our Lord is... } – Jul 05, 7:51 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Wild Olive, YOu write: "On the other hand the born again experience can be so overwhelming that the only religions that seem to be... } – Jul 05, 8:23 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Lincoln and to carry the thought on for today: Matthew 28:19New International Version (NIV) 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them... } – Jul 02, 11:00 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { John 20:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. Thank you very much sister... } – Jul 02, 6:55 AM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Hello Ian and welcome, I too am an ex Jw. This is a great place to freely express yourself and to perhaps give you a... } – Jul 01, 9:43 PM
  • User AvatarTed R. { Hi Ian-- I too have come out of the "dark side" after 48 years. I got tired of watching young people being cut off by... } – Jul 01, 9:22 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Greetings, Ian. I well appreciate (and share) your disgust, and the events and information that have propelled you forward. I'd like to welcome you warmly,... } – Jul 01, 7:39 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Lincoln, one day we will meet and actually converse face to face. God got this. I love reading his words to his apostles in John... } – Jun 30, 11:06 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Hi Ian, welcome and thank you for your expressions. I for one understand your disgust. I fought them on this issue of child molestation and... } – Jun 30, 11:00 PM
  • User Avatarian howat { i have been a jw since 1963 im now disgusted with the govering body because of their lies and cover up of child abuse. also... } – Jun 30, 2:49 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Friends, brothers and sisters. My prayer is from my heart. How I wish we could join each other in life and spirit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7gf-Ag84pc I... } – Jun 30, 6:55 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Chuck Maly, I just come to remember something from you answer to me. You wrote; "I myself have gone through some trials and have... } – Jun 30, 3:48 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Br. Innocent, It is now 5 years ago and I was not here at that time, but how are things with you now? I... } – Jun 30, 2:03 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/396-was-jesus-created-by-god Dear Jeff, Thank you for inviting me, but........ I must try to answer you here; I understand what you write to me, but I... } – Jun 30, 1:37 AM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Good afternoon Lincoln (rather evening for you in Denmark), How did you choose Romania of all places to visit? I rather enjoyed my time there... } – Jun 29, 1:40 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Paula, dear sister. Here is one with English subtitles. Maybe I can give you this one. Don't be afraid. give yourself to Jesus, The... } – Jun 29, 2:01 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Friends. I can see this is some years ago (2011) and so many things has happened ever since then. This morning I sit here... } – Jun 29, 12:57 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear sister Jacqueline, Thank`s for your answer. I will keep in mind the words you give me. Hope you are well Jacqueline and everything is... } – Jun 29, 12:08 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Lincoln, I clicked on the link that you put up for Paula, is it correct or could you check and see if that is what... } – Jun 28, 7:53 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Lincoln, this is Jacqueline. I found your reply to Jeff awaiting approval. It does that sometimes when the reply is long and has links. So... } – Jun 28, 6:58 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Paula, I will give you this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAv1-l4ZTY8 } – Jun 28, 12:34 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Jeff, (ZionsHerald) I have this feeling I am not welcome here anymore (this time) but I found I could reply here and so I... } – Jun 28, 3:09 AM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Thank you for your reply Lincoln, My wife and I have been married nearly twenty years and we are the parents of one child who... } – Jun 27, 3:25 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Jeff, Thank you very much for your information and the viewpoints you give. I just don't know what to say. I agree to the... } – Jun 27, 6:31 AM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald (Jeff) { Ooops. I neglected to give the name of the other film that I was talking about. Hell and Mr. Fudge. http://www.hellandmrfudge.org/ } – Jun 26, 5:51 PM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald (Jeff) { Hi Lincoln, I'd like to make a suggestion to you if you are interested in seeking further information about the subject of the soul and... } – Jun 26, 5:49 PM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear Chuck Maly, Thank you very much for very nice answer. I have good feelings about you and sorry for the trouble you have had.... } – Jun 26, 12:15 PM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Lincoln, Wouldnt it be wonderful if all would work together to help one another. I afree and that this would be nice. One day all... } – Jun 26, 11:35 AM
  • User AvatarChuck Maly { Good morning dear Lincoln! I am not angry with you. I have been following your posts on here and have really enjoyed the conversations. I... } – Jun 26, 10:33 AM
  • User AvatarLincoln { Dear "just stay sweet and good", Thank you. I wish; when I speak to God I speak to the Holy Spirit. When I speak to... } – Jun 26, 10:24 AM
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62 comments to Latest Comments Digest

  • Prodigal

    Anonymous CJ, Thank you for your feed back. But I’m not clear where we are disagree, so help me here, let me analysis your comments.

    We are not disagree, that there is a sin against the Holy spirit. Are we?

    We not disagreeing about Jesus aplication of his ransome sacrifice, (whats covered and whats not covered). Are we?

    But I’m confused; What make you think that I’m not in agreement or disagreeing with your comments.

    I never stated that; “only the anointed poseses the Holy spirit” I quoted the scriptures and what Jesus said on the matter. I just presented my compilation of the scriptures. No opinions!

    I don’t know what scriptural basis you have for this comment: “Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it”. But I will entertain your scriptual findings.

    But please point out your disagreement?

    From the congregation of Ephesus

  • Prodigal

    Prodigal,

    Matt. 26:24 woe to that man through whom the son of man is betrayed, it would have been better for that man if he had not been born, Why?

    This is Jesus’s conclusion, explaining it to Pontius Pilate, about His sacrifice and what is true,
    John 18:37b everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.

    The law prescribe,
    Deuteronomy 27:25 “cursed is the one who accept a bribe to kill an innocent person” … Amen!

    John 19:11b this is why the man who handed me over to you have “greater sin”

    Jesus Himself said in Matthew 12:31, 32 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.” vs 32; For example whoever speaks a word against the son of man it will be forgiven him but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him, No! not in this system of things nor in that to come.

    Jesus explaining to the scribe, “The unforgivable sin”, and elaborate on this point.
    Mark 3:28,29 truly I say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men no matter what the sin they commit and what blaspheming they speak but whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin.

    In another passage, Jesus talking to his Holy Father in a prayer,
    Jn 17:12 when I was with them I used to watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me and I have protected them and not one of them is destroyed except the son of Destruction, “so that the scriptures might be fulfilled”.

    Who is the son of Destruction (mentioned by Jesus) so the scriptures may be fulfilled? “Whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin”.

    There are three known, scriptural sinners, that have sin against the Holy Spirit and is mention in the Bible;

    Judas Iscariot is the first, please call to mind that this particular sin was foretold or prophesied.

    Let me try to use a more modern approach, some of us who have a life policy, known as life insurance policy to protect or cover our benefactors. However all insurance policies have limitations. So those, Jesus ransom sacrifice it’s like a life policy, it has what’s covered and what’s not covered on the policy, technically known as inclusions and exclusions.

    Jesus’s live policy; also has inclusion and exclusion, Truly I say to you… Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever!

    • Anonymous CJ

      Prodigal.,
      Thank you for your comment. However we must disagree. The only unforgivable sin is sin against the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:28-30). Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it. The world of mankind doesn’t not have the Holy Spirit to sin against. Let’s take an example. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe they Sodom will not be resurrected. However lets take a look at what the Bible has to say.

      “Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.” – Matthew 10:15

      If Sodom is not to be ressurected please explain what will be more bearable for them in a day of Judgement that they will not be in!!!!!

      The Bible guarantees a resurrection for everyone.
      “As in Adam all are dying as so in the Christ ask shall be made alive.”
      1 Cor 15:22

      We are currently in the Gospel Age (Christian portion of this system of things) which opened when Christ came and will be open until the 144,000 is complete. Nowhere does the Bible show that anyone other than the spirit anointed can go into second death. The world of mankind cannot blaspheme against what they do not have. The only time the world of mankind will go into second death is at the end of the 1000 years when Satan is let out.

  • greg (Bible Student)

    Hi Peter and/or Jacqueline.

    I tried to reply to this twice now and neither instance showed up. Did I perhaps trigger the spam filters again?

    If my reply attempts can be still retrieved, can you post only the second one, please? I tweaked it a bit more while I was waiting to see if the first attempt showed up.

    Thanks so much.
    -greg

  • greg (Bible Student)

    (Something unexpected happened when I clicked “Post Comment” so I hope this doesn’t show up twice, despite the fact that I checked and waited to see if it actually went through the after first attempt.)

    Hi Lee Anthony.

    I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

    I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

    Brother Russell seems to have indicated his belief that Judas would probably not have any hope of a resurrection. He says, “[Judas] sinned against great light; there is no hope for him in a future life.” And yet he also says, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.” You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

    I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

    Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

    If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

    But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

    And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

    So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

    Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain undecided and unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty. I accept that I do not KNOW for sure, and I don’t find that I absolutely MUST KNOW. Rather, I find myself in total agreement with the words that Brother Russell said, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.”

    How does this sit for you, Lee?
    -greg

  • Lee Anthony

    Hello,
    I have a question about a verse I was just reading (that I have never heard an explanation of) and i have never really thought about before… In (matt. 26:24) Jesus says “woe to the man who betrays the son of man it would be better for him if he had not been born” What is Jesus saying about Judas and it being better not to be born?? It almost seems that he was talking about the way of death cause in 1st part of verse it says “son of man will go just as it is written” yet i thought that somewhere it says jesus was to suffer more than anyone else…Any thoughts?

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Lee Anthony: Thank you for a very interesting question. Let’s take a look at the verse you are citing.

      Matthew 26:24 (NKJV)”The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

      Okay. So Jesus says it is better if Judas had never been born. Never existed? No. A stillborn child / miscarriage is a child that existed it the womb, but never left the womb alive. In that case, Judas could have been resurrected in the Kingdom with a clean slate and a full opportunity for life.

      Job describes the condition of both the child that dies at birth and also the stillborn child who dies in the womb. In both cases, they are said to be sleeping in death with the great people who died before them. These too will be resurrected to the paradise earth kingdom in the future.

      Job 3:11-19 (ESV) “11 Why did I not die at birth,
      come out from the womb and expire?
      12 Why did the knees receive me?
      Or why the breasts, that I should nurse?
      13 For then I would have lain down and been quiet;
      I would have slept; then I would have been at rest,
      14 with kings and counselors of the earth
      who rebuilt ruins for themselves,
      15 or with princes who had gold,
      who filled their houses with silver.
      16 Or why was I not as a hidden stillborn child,
      as infants who never see the light?
      17 There the wicked cease from troubling,
      and there the weary are at rest.
      18 There the prisoners are at ease together;
      they hear not the voice of the taskmaster.
      19 The small and the great are there,
      and the slave is free from his master.”

      We would love to here more from you on this or any other topic.

      • Lee Anthony

        Peter K.
        Thanks for response. Still a little confused on Judas… Is the implication then that he will still have a resurrection? (John 5:28) does say all in the graves will rise so this does of course make sense..

        • greg (Bible Student)

          Hi Lee Anthony.

          I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

          I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

          Brother Russell indicated his belief that Judas would not have any hope of a resurrection. You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

          I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

          Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

          If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

          But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

          And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

          So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

          Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty.

          How does this sit for you, Lee?
          -greg

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Lee Anthony – Greg’s reply helps to illustrate that Bible Students are not united on whether or not Judas will come back in the resurrected. One point of view is that Judas was a special case and a special exception to the Ransom since he had such a close relationship directly with Jesus for 3 1/2 years. If Judas is resurrected he will have to face all mankind in shame and demonstrate real repentance. You can find a debate on the question of whether Judas died the second death here:

          http://bibleresources.info/audio-hymns/audio-sermons/
          Search for the topic below:
          Did Judas Die the Second Death?
          Bill Dutka & Michael Nekora – General Convention 2007

          • Lee Anthony

            Peter and Greg,
            Thanks for insight. This is enough to satisfy my curiosities about the subject, I really have noone to discuss such things with in detail, a jw would just pull up a wt article as an explanation. I find that I dont need an explaination of everything in black and white since that knowledge specifically will not lead me unto life, I believe only Jesus can do that. (john 14:6) However, I will certainly listen to the debate on the matter. Thanks for the link. Study of the scriptures and discussion of that with others is a nice relief from the normal ( we know all attitude of the kingdom hall meetings). Thanks.

            • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

              Lee Anthony hello, I believe Jesus died for all fallen man including his betrayed on that night. They killed him not Judas. The decision was made in Genesis that it was between Satan and her seed not Judas.
              His death before Christ was a loss of being a foundation floor for the kingdom, one of the twelve.
              Could it be Jesus uttered a prophecy about his attitude in the Millennium maybe by saying son of destruction?
              I don’t know but I have faith God will be just for many did much more to our Lord than Judas. Lots could identify Jesus if they had waited until day for he preached openly. I think there is something deeper maybe about Judas as God knows the End to the Beginning on who we will be by choice. Just my two cents worth.

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