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  • User AvatarMarjo { I have those applications already. I only need to get headphones with mic. } – Nov 23, 8:01 AM
  • User AvatarBrandi { Hello Fellow Brothers and Sisters, I am not quite sure how this chat stuff works, to be honest. So bare with me as I try... } – Nov 23, 3:14 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { This is encouraging, it was on our contact form. We welcome you eddie. Perhaps you can come on and say hello to everyone or ask... } – Nov 22, 9:55 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Greg, I download about 25 discourses that I like on my phone. The program has a cloud button and you click on it after you... } – Nov 22, 9:34 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Oh, you get that, too, eh? As I listen to the conventions and discourses from past decades, I recall what I was doing at the... } – Nov 22, 6:42 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Great Marjo, do you know which session? Dont forget to download Mconf app if you are using a pad or a cell phone. Once uou... } – Nov 22, 5:22 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I'll be there on Saturday } – Nov 22, 4:58 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Brandi, if you would like to come on to the study tonight we would love to have you. I know you work but say hello... } – Nov 22, 4:24 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { That app and website with some of the voices from the past discoures just makes me wonder, where were theses brothers in my life as... } – Nov 22, 3:59 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Doh! Correction: Oops, I got mixed up. Robert Seklemian gave the discourse that I was recalling. 🙂 -greg } – Nov 22, 1:31 PM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { Oh I don’t deny that. I’m saying many will say they are born this way therefore God made us this way and will lean on... } – Nov 22, 1:30 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Thanks, Sr. Jacqueline. I really enjoyed listening to another discourse by Br. Carl when he spoke about Daniel and the Lion's Den. -greg } – Nov 22, 1:14 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Greetings Brandi. I'm actually replying to your introduction that Jacqueline posted on the Testimony page wherein you said, "It is frustrating and infuriating and depressing."... } – Nov 22, 1:11 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { As an curious person and a former JW I can't help myself from wondering how soon it will be before the FoJW's website is read... } – Nov 22, 12:41 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { http://bibleresources.info/audio-hymns/audio-sermons/ Go to audio then audio sermons. In the search box within the recorder put in Carl Hagensick. It is #6620 The problems of Corinth.... } – Nov 22, 10:57 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { AnonCJ hello. I believe there are a lot of medical issues that we aren't aware of. Some life experiences especially before sexual definition takes place... } – Nov 22, 9:58 AM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { Brandi When the Bible Says not to lean on our own understanding it means lean on God’s understanding and not our own. It means I... } – Nov 22, 8:16 AM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Hi Brandi and welcome, Yes Truth is from God alone (John 17:17) Even Jesus when on earth admitted to not knowing ALL,(speaking of that day... } – Nov 22, 8:01 AM
  • User AvatarTed R. { Hi Brandi I agree with you that we are all to follow in the footsteps of Lord Jesus to the best of our ability. We... } – Nov 22, 6:37 AM
  • User AvatarBrandi { You are all very well educated. We can all agree on that. Another thing I think we can all agree on is that the only... } – Nov 21, 11:39 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Dear Brothers this from Brandi, she is tearing up now that she has found us please welcome her. she might not be able to comment... } – Nov 21, 9:04 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Richard hello, your country has 133 distinct users. Since some may have very low numbers or just one I won't post the number. Br. Peter... } – Nov 21, 8:46 PM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Hello Sister Jackie,That was interesting to find out how many people from different countries had visited the site.Do you know how many hits came from... } – Nov 21, 7:07 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { These are the countries that have been on the last 30 days. Hopefully the information is encouraging to all reading on the site. I didn't... } – Nov 21, 6:37 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Brothers I think this person meant to post their experience but they sent it to the contact form so here is the experience. Jacqueline Subject:... } – Nov 21, 5:30 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Hi Ellis. Aha! I think I might know what has happened. Br. Richard ommitted a space between au. and Christian. When you click on his... } – Nov 20, 12:47 PM
  • User AvatarEllis Green { Hi Richard, Tried to send email but couldn't go through for some reason. my email - ellis.green45@yahoo.co.uk Ellis } – Nov 19, 3:14 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Greg thanks. we are at Br. Peter's father in law Memorial service: Br Dan Larson. We will look at this later tonight. That is a... } – Nov 19, 2:46 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Hi Jacqueline. I'm always reluctant to point out typos... Sigh... I'm not keen on being seen as a "grammar Nazi". Perhaps it's trivial, but the... } – Nov 19, 12:52 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Greetings Anonymous. I'm curious to know a little more about what prompts your question because I'm very reluctant to ever tell anyone what they should... } – Nov 19, 12:45 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Is this your job, anonymous? Tell us if you will why you have reservations about this? Are you of the witness community? We can better... } – Nov 19, 12:35 PM
  • User Avatar { Should a Christian become a secretary of a labour union? } – Nov 19, 4:29 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { This is an article of sadness. The Coroner made his assessment and decision according to the constitutional right of the witness to "choose" at 27... } – Nov 18, 10:43 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { OK, so as to avoid confusion, I've opened the room up as is currently linked above. (us:81) -greg } – Nov 18, 6:23 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Greg the emotional blackmail becomes a game to the congregation members.That case in Canada was especially hard because the brother gave up his career and... } – Nov 18, 4:06 PM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Sister Jackie,I will send info in the next day or so.Will then have Accom request form & all relevant info.Christian Love,Richard. } – Nov 18, 3:54 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Br. Richard, if you can send all of the info about your convention to Br. Peter he can get it to Oldron and on the... } – Nov 18, 10:55 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Jacqueline, This is the first time I've heard anything about the dispute you mentioned. Of course, I never get any kind of news from JW's... } – Nov 18, 9:58 AM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Hello how are you,I would like to talk to via e/mail to swap experiences.My e/mai address is rtazzyman@dodo.com.au.Christian Love Richard } – Nov 18, 5:45 AM
  • User AvatarEllis Green { Hi Richard, I'll be pleased to email you when I get your email } – Nov 18, 4:31 AM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Sister Jackie,so good to have you online today evev after all the trouble we had.I was also very happy that you met Sister Angie &... } – Nov 18, 12:08 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Greg, This is the proper link to copy and paste in your browser: Or you may click now because we fixed the link. https://biblestudentsonline.us:81/webconf/testimony-meeting } – Nov 17, 6:39 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Ellis, I totally understand what you are saying. Can you come on the testimony Saturday? Check the article on this site. This money thing will... } – Nov 17, 2:24 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Greg, it wasn't just me wondering what was going on but I noticed a pattern in every discussion group. A parent or grandparent was getting... } – Nov 17, 2:07 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Thank you for posting this link, Sr. Jacqueline. I found it informative and thought-provoking. -greg } – Nov 17, 11:02 AM
  • User AvatarEllis Green { Hi Jacqueline, I read that article you posted and its so true! The similarity between Catholic Church's thirst for funds is equally matched by JWs.... } – Nov 17, 6:00 AM
  • User AvatarM.JEBAKUMAR { Dear brother..,I wasted my life 14 yrs in Laymens...still high calling is open..when the gate is close once the world come in to the end..,Pr,Jhonson... } – Nov 17, 4:02 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { I have been trying to figure out why one 82 year old witness that has not attended the kingdom hall in 10 years has suddenly... } – Nov 16, 9:22 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Just a FYI article from Canada. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witnesses-blood-transfusion-death-quebec-coroner-1.4401101 } – Nov 14, 7:06 PM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { Good evening, I am very familiar with the Laymens Literature. Would you ever consider the possibility that the High Calling is still open? } – Nov 14, 4:24 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Hello our brother, we have your information and it will be passed on to the proper brothers to help you. The Laymens have helped quite... } – Nov 14, 8:46 AM
  • User Avatar { Dear brother christian Greetings.. I am JebaKumar from Laymen's Home Missionary Movement..Once I was in the Pentecostal systems 1988 -1998 after I known truths from... } – Nov 14, 4:54 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I'll look forward the next meeting 🙂 I noticed the same thing especially in younger witness groups age 13 to 30. No matter how much... } – Nov 14, 12:17 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo that is the petty stuff that was a hallmark of the witnesses. I stayed away from groups and cliches because they were many. Now... } – Nov 13, 4:39 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { There was a sister (pioneer) in congregation where I was, who had this kind of "need" to know things what happened between of everyone who... } – Nov 13, 1:41 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Hi Marjo, this article was written to explain Matt 18 that is often used by the witness organization to show why they have judicial committees.... } – Nov 13, 12:53 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { Lets make an example. What if you have solved the argument, but your brother is spreading it to others. Isn't that worst sin than the... } – Nov 13, 10:53 AM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { I absolutely adore Bob Carnegies talks. He's amazing. I just finished his discourse on Dates and how 1874 is a failed Second Adventist date that... } – Nov 13, 7:36 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Br. Richard I will have to go back 7 years and get the info from this site. I need Br. Kris or Peter to help... } – Nov 12, 10:55 AM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Dear Sister Jackie,& all the others who called in on Saturday(Aust Time)It was a real Joy for us to have a talk about how things... } – Nov 12, 12:31 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Greg, thank you so much for Hosting tonight's testimony meeting for North America 2hrs 49 minutes of laughter deep questions and talk. } – Nov 11, 9:51 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { We just finished the Europe session on testimony meeting with Br. Kent as moderator. It was a blessing. The next one today November 11, 2017... } – Nov 11, 11:33 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Tonight with Australia was a nice testimony meeting. We were able to share a lot about what is going on in our lives. Next week... } – Nov 10, 7:15 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo November 11, 2017 at 6pm in Finland is when we will be on. The other times are at 3am your time so it seems... } – Nov 10, 4:11 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marjo - The instructions for the Wednesday night telephone call in study can be found here: http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2017/11/08/feb-6-wed-new-study-join-us-the-time-is-at-hand-volume-2-of-studies-in-the-scriptures/ The instructions for the Friday and Saturday Testimony... } – Nov 10, 7:36 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { Do I need some sort of application to call via phone or computer? } – Nov 10, 12:56 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Ellis I applaud this brother! Wasn't he kool, calm and collected? I believe there was someone there that needed to hear his talk. When you... } – Nov 09, 7:16 PM
  • User AvatarEllis Green { That video was AMAZING! I really admire the way he didn't lose his self-control. If that had been me, I would have erupted!! Its so... } – Nov 09, 10:41 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Okay, we are starting our Wednesday night study now for the next 1 1/2 hours. we have from 9 to 13 on every week. Talk... } – Nov 08, 6:53 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { It would be nice to talk with you. I hope I can arrange some time for that. } – Nov 08, 4:33 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html } – Nov 08, 4:06 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Yes it does Marjo, and I understand it takes time. That is why I felt with a baby, maybe you can listen to a talk... } – Nov 08, 4:04 PM
  • User AvatarJust say sweet and good { A good question to ponder is “What constitutes UNETHICAL & ANTI SOCIAL BEHAVIOR? When Jehovah God told Abram to leave his home he knew Abram... } – Nov 08, 3:41 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { It was very interesting to listen. I only got half of it but will do the rest of it later. Picture where witnesses leave smiling... } – Nov 08, 3:38 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { This is one of the most moving videos that I have ever heard or seen. The calmness of this brother as he uses the Bible... } – Nov 08, 2:01 PM
  • User AvatarEllis Green { I'd like to try this on Saturday Nov 11 so what time in UK shall I try? } – Nov 08, 1:44 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I will listen them for sure. Taking care of my baby is taking most of the time. There are some words I have to check... } – Nov 08, 12:02 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo the question of who survives armageddon is why Jehovah witnesses have a difficult time in life! Armageddon is not judgement day on people! The... } – Nov 08, 9:32 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { This was hard topic in field service with one sister. One person asked her what makes JW's better to survive of armageddon than us. It... } – Nov 08, 7:32 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo that is true it is the governing body system and the organization set up. My son's and their wives friends are all witnesses although... } – Nov 07, 4:39 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { We can only pray for those whom are still in with JW. We know Jehova can read our mind and soul. Maybe they aren't ready... } – Nov 07, 9:39 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Right Marjo, a stepping stone. Although I am much older than you I learned an expression from my brothers among the Bible students. Divine Providence,... } – Nov 07, 7:11 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I got kents information thank you. Recently I have began to think, maybe being in a witnesses was just a stepping stone for something bigger.... } – Nov 07, 12:46 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo thanks for sharing your journey. All seem to have one thing in common after cutting ties with the witnesses. We can understand the Bible,... } – Nov 06, 6:38 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I'm 33 years old from Finland. I wrote little bit of my history elsewhere, but now I can write more in here. My mother knew... } – Nov 06, 2:48 PM
  • User AvatarKent { Shalom sister Marjo. Nice to see you here. I am Kent from Sweden, I heard from Jaquelin that you live in Finland. It would be... } – Nov 06, 3:49 AM
  • User AvatarEllis Green { Thanks Jacqueline, will look that up. I saw the news last night about that shooting in the church; horrible! People go to church to get... } – Nov 06, 2:14 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { You tube has it. Put in Warwick jw rally. Over here we have a Mass Church shooting 26 dead so since 11:30 this morning US... } – Nov 05, 6:00 PM
  • User AvatarEllis Green { Any TV coverage of the rally at Warwick? } – Nov 05, 5:51 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Thanks for the blessing. My husband said be like friends of God in the Bible, be very specific I wanted it to be smaller first... } – Nov 05, 3:50 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { Nothing isn't impossible for Jehovah. When I was reading bible, I prayed that I could find a group where He's spirit is effecting. Then I... } – Nov 05, 2:50 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo Br. Kent told me how to pronounce your name. He also will come on later and give you that side of the world's internet... } – Nov 05, 12:49 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I wasn't dealing much with my mother when she left, but only in financial things. But I was feeling alone in the congregation after that,... } – Nov 05, 11:56 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo, thanks for sharing. I am so happy for you that you could move on and have a happy family. I think we have to... } – Nov 05, 10:53 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { In the beginning when I joined to the group there wasn't. But when my mother left from the groub, I felt left alone. Not even... } – Nov 05, 10:28 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo welcome and thanks for sharing your journey. Was there something specific that caused you to think about the organizatiion? I have gone through so... } – Nov 05, 9:05 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I left Jehovah Witnesses 9 years ago. After that I've always felt, that I did wrong. But now I've been reading everything in a new... } – Nov 05, 8:51 AM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Nina, I contacted a brother/friend of mine at the Bible Fellowship Union in the UK (http://www.biblefellowshipunion.co.uk/) and he said that there are some brethren in... } – Nov 05, 8:37 AM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Also Nina I forgot to tell you that we have Romanian Brothers & Sisters from Romania Living in London who are bible Students.Also if you... } – Nov 04, 1:36 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Okay Nina, let us see who is near. God Bless } – Nov 03, 4:14 PM
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  • Richard

    Struggle somewhat with “all” being resurrected… there have been, and still are, evil people who existed, and continue to exist in these last days. So when they are resurrected will they return with their violent ways, and will they continue to be a threat to us followers of Christ?

    • greg (Bible Student)

      Richard,

      Ah, yes indeed, an excellent question. Those resurrected will still have the same mind and heart as when they died.

      Though Isaiah 11:6-9 speaks of animals, I conclude that this passage is pictorial of the animalistic tendencies within persons because verse 9 speaks of nothing and no one causing harm or ruin because the earth is filled with the knowledge of Jehovah. I’m thinking it will people, not animals that will have this knowledge (appreciation).

      (from RVIC)

      6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
      7 And the cow and the bear shall feed together; and their young ones shall lie down; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
      8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den.
      9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

      Moreover, one of the many hats Jesus will hear has the title “Prince of Peace,” and surely, if he could quiet the raging sea and wind, and heal the ear of the soldier that Peter cut off, he can certainly use his power to restrain the attempts to harm others.

      There are several discussions on this subject found within the Studies in the Scriptures, such as on page 217 in volume 1, and many other references listed in the Expanded Biblical Comments. I recall reading one expression that made sense with my own experience, and though I can’t locate the exact page and paragraph at the moment, it said that in contrast to how Ecclesiastes 8:11 speaks of the way things are presently, where a person can act in a harmful way with no immediate consequences, and thus no immediate awareness of how that “bad act” is actually harmful to them as well, in the Kingdom, there will be immediate feedback that will “teach” people that they are really only hurting themselves when they try to hurt others.

      -greg

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Richard people sin differently. Jesus came to save sinners. The sick. Some of us without influence would by nature practice good but without a redeemer of Adam we might as well have been bad. Al Capone loved to plant flowers and gave to charities. I wonder what changed him? Greed, bad breaks? This helps me grasp that some very bad sinners had something bad happen to change them. I don’t know if you see what I am saying but Jesus ransomed Adam thus ALL men. We all fall short but differently. A gossiper or liar destroys many lives. Even sending the wrong person to prison and he dies by someone else’s hand. A murderer takes one life. Which is the worse sinner? Sin is sin. They both brings death and redemption pays it’s price for All.

      • greg (Bible Student)

        Jacqueline,

        Your comment inspires me to write a lengthy novel on my learnings that mirror and evidence the same conclusions as you make.

        Put simply, we are all, each and every one of us made in God’s image. And all God’s works are perfect–even in that they can become damaged. God’s qualities are thus imbued in us from even before we are conceived. And our unbroken nature tends towards compassion and love and giving.

        It is our environment, our cultural programming, and the evil things that have happened to us that damage some of us so severely that we begin to imagine it as impossible to meet our own needs without ignoring (and often trampling on) the needs of another. When this happens in a person, they become broken–not evil. They may DO evil henceforth, but they are broken, disconnected from life.

        It is an extremely rare thing to find someone truly evil. I can think of only one or two names that MIGHT possibly be considered “evil”, but even with these one’s, I cannot help but wonder, what HAPPENED to them?

        In my experience, people do well IF THEY CAN. People WANT to do well. People STRIVE to learn, and grow, and improve–IF THEY CAN. I see The Peaceful Kingdom providing all the healing and nurturing conditions conducive for all people to do well.

        I have seen so much evidence of this in my own experience. And I know of many other noteable names that have expressed similar experiences.

        True, not everyone is able to see the world this way–at least not at first. But that seems to me to be precisely part of the machine (Satan’s design) that creates such enemy images of persons in the first place. And then it’s only a small step to the side to start behaving in ways considered evil.

        I’d really like to quote two people that greatly influenced my life, learning, and growth over the years.

        Carl Rogers wrote in his book “On Becoming a Person” (pages 26, 27):

        (begin quote)
        There is one deep learning which is perhaps basic to all of the things I have said thus far. It has been forced upon me by more than twenty-five years of trying to be helpful to individuals in personal distress. It is simply this. It has been my experience that persons have a basically positive direction. In my deepest contacts with individuals in therapy, even those whose troubles are most disturbing, whose behavior has been most anti-social, whose feelings seem most abnormal, I find this to be true. When I can sensitively understand the feelings which they are expressing, when I am able to accept them as separate persons in their own right, then I find that they tend to move in certain directions. And what are these directions in which they tend to move? The words which I believe are most truly descriptive are words such as positive, constructive, moving toward self-actualization, growing toward maturity, growing toward socialization. I have come to feel that the more fully the individual is understood and accepted, the more he tends to drop the false fronts with which he has been meeting life, and the more he tends to move in a direction which is forward.

        I would not want to be misunderstood on this. I do not have a Pollyanna view of human nature. I am quite aware that out of defensiveness and inner fear individuals can and do behave in ways which are incredibly cruel, horribly destructive, immature, regressive, anti-social, hurtful. Yet one of the most refreshing and invigorating parts of my experience is to work with such individuals and to discover the strongly positive directional tendencies which exist in them, as in all of us, at the deepest levels.
        (end quote)

        Marshall Rosenberg wrote in his book “Nonviolent Communication – A Language of Life” (page 162):

        (begin quote)
        The assumption behind the protective use of force is that people behave in ways injurious to themselves and others due to some form of ignorance. The corrective process is therefore one of education, not punishment. Ignorance includes (a) a lack of awareness of the consequences of our actions, (b) an inability to see how our needs may be met without injury to others, (c) the belief that we have the “right” to punish or hurt others because they “deserve” it, and (d) delusional thinking that involves, for example, hearing a “voice” that instructs us to kill someone.

        Punitive action, on the other hand, is based on the assumption that people commit offenses because they are bad or evil, and to correct the situation, they need to be made to repent. Their “correction” is undertaken through punitive action designed to make them (1) suffer enough to see the error of their ways, (2) repent, and (3) change. In practice, however, punitive action, rather than evoking repentance and learning, is just as likely to generate resentment and hostility and to reinforce resistance to the very behavior we are seeking.
        (end quote)

        I can affirm without reservation, that both these expressions have been equally true (and equally surprising at first) in my experience also. And yes, I echo Carl when I admit truthfully that this view was rather “forced upon me” by my own experience as well.

        Did I mention how much I enjoyed Br. Rick Suraci’s discourse “A boy and His Uncle” from this year’s convention?

        “Small Steps. Read Pages. Chickens can’t burp.”

        -greg

        • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

          Greg, I think Jehovah knows this about human nature that even the evilest person can change and many will. Some will change and when satan is loosed, they will with full knowledge choose as he did to go against God. But when we hear what happened in youth to some of the molesters we will have compassion and help them heal as well as their victims. This is a job ahead of us all as we learn from Christ. I can’t judge a person now because like you I have heard of some of the vile things done to children who are now adults on my table telling the story.
          While we are talking, let me hit a controversial subject that ignited a storm on facebook with many a “Christian”. It is the Gay community and I will tell only one story that totally shook me to my core.
          Late one night it was snowing hard and we were advised by the DOT not to shut down our shops until the truck drivers got off the highways and were okay. (My business was at flying J service center at crossroads of America., Dr. haircuts etc)
          A person walked in and I wasn’t sure how to address them but proceeded without saying he or she.
          When I had the person flat on their back with hairline showing and all (I am also a licensed cosmetologist) I knew this was a she. the cheekbones, neck gorgeous hair and we talked about the same things and loved it.
          This person cried and said I like you, you are so kind to me. He said what do you think my gender is? I said beyond a shadow of a doubt you are female but yet I also see male in a strange way, plus your dress is distinctly male. So I said do you want to talk about it? Yes. The story and my exam and observation convinced me that there is some hormonal mixup in the womb, maybe because of chemicals in our food, our additive air but this was my second person that I can attest they are neither male nor female but somewhere in between. The other person was a witness brother that choose the male gender because the society GB) said he should try to chose one and stick to it. This person and I became friends that night and I told him about the kingdom and how the suffering would end and all mankind would be made whole. She dressed as a male to be able to fight and keep peace near her. He was both but he was a female. I am not talking about your promiscuous individuals having a good time but there is something wrong with the gene pool now. I have seen many case files on this.
          That is why I don’t be judging people. I have to leave that up to God and just do what he told us to do, preach, teach and baptize in the name of the Father and Son.
          All judging has been put into his hands. I just feel sorry for the people who as a child was hardened and turned into an animal. Just had to get that out there. We have a diverse audience.

          • greg (Bible Student)

            Jacqueline, and all others who might be reading,

            Thank you so very sincerely for sharing this with all of us.

            This story touches me so deeply, so profoundly. I cannot say in words how thankful I am to you for sharing it. Now I don’t have to try and share similar stories from my encounters with persons who have been unfairly judged, condemned, shunned, and mistreated over the years. I really do weep tears for the secret shames, the hidden fears, the loss of anything resembling normality, and the traumatic fallout that so many persons who have been broken and damaged face and endure every day. For those who manage to endure, I hope and pray they also manage to find moments of relief, and possibly even joy. For those who make their own relief because they cannot endure any longer, I long for the day I can welcome them back and support them as they work to heal and recover their dignity, their humanity, their hopes, and their lost opportunities.

            Won’t it be wonderful to meet and discover the person they could have been, the person God actually intended for them to be able to grow to be?

            -greg

  • Prodigal

    Anonymous CJ, Thank you for your feed back. But I’m not clear where we are disagree, so help me here, let me analysis your comments.

    We are not disagree, that there is a sin against the Holy spirit. Are we?

    We not disagreeing about Jesus aplication of his ransome sacrifice, (whats covered and whats not covered). Are we?

    But I’m confused; What make you think that I’m not in agreement or disagreeing with your comments.

    I never stated that; “only the anointed poseses the Holy spirit” I quoted the scriptures and what Jesus said on the matter. I just presented my compilation of the scriptures. No opinions!

    I don’t know what scriptural basis you have for this comment: “Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it”. But I will entertain your scriptual findings.

    But please point out your disagreement?

    From the congregation of Ephesus

  • Prodigal

    Prodigal,

    Matt. 26:24 woe to that man through whom the son of man is betrayed, it would have been better for that man if he had not been born, Why?

    This is Jesus’s conclusion, explaining it to Pontius Pilate, about His sacrifice and what is true,
    John 18:37b everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.

    The law prescribe,
    Deuteronomy 27:25 “cursed is the one who accept a bribe to kill an innocent person” … Amen!

    John 19:11b this is why the man who handed me over to you have “greater sin”

    Jesus Himself said in Matthew 12:31, 32 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.” vs 32; For example whoever speaks a word against the son of man it will be forgiven him but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him, No! not in this system of things nor in that to come.

    Jesus explaining to the scribe, “The unforgivable sin”, and elaborate on this point.
    Mark 3:28,29 truly I say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men no matter what the sin they commit and what blaspheming they speak but whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin.

    In another passage, Jesus talking to his Holy Father in a prayer,
    Jn 17:12 when I was with them I used to watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me and I have protected them and not one of them is destroyed except the son of Destruction, “so that the scriptures might be fulfilled”.

    Who is the son of Destruction (mentioned by Jesus) so the scriptures may be fulfilled? “Whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin”.

    There are three known, scriptural sinners, that have sin against the Holy Spirit and is mention in the Bible;

    Judas Iscariot is the first, please call to mind that this particular sin was foretold or prophesied.

    Let me try to use a more modern approach, some of us who have a life policy, known as life insurance policy to protect or cover our benefactors. However all insurance policies have limitations. So those, Jesus ransom sacrifice it’s like a life policy, it has what’s covered and what’s not covered on the policy, technically known as inclusions and exclusions.

    Jesus’s live policy; also has inclusion and exclusion, Truly I say to you… Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever!

    • Anonymous CJ

      Prodigal.,
      Thank you for your comment. However we must disagree. The only unforgivable sin is sin against the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:28-30). Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it. The world of mankind doesn’t not have the Holy Spirit to sin against. Let’s take an example. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe they Sodom will not be resurrected. However lets take a look at what the Bible has to say.

      “Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.” – Matthew 10:15

      If Sodom is not to be ressurected please explain what will be more bearable for them in a day of Judgement that they will not be in!!!!!

      The Bible guarantees a resurrection for everyone.
      “As in Adam all are dying as so in the Christ ask shall be made alive.”
      1 Cor 15:22

      We are currently in the Gospel Age (Christian portion of this system of things) which opened when Christ came and will be open until the 144,000 is complete. Nowhere does the Bible show that anyone other than the spirit anointed can go into second death. The world of mankind cannot blaspheme against what they do not have. The only time the world of mankind will go into second death is at the end of the 1000 years when Satan is let out.

  • greg (Bible Student)

    Hi Peter and/or Jacqueline.

    I tried to reply to this twice now and neither instance showed up. Did I perhaps trigger the spam filters again?

    If my reply attempts can be still retrieved, can you post only the second one, please? I tweaked it a bit more while I was waiting to see if the first attempt showed up.

    Thanks so much.
    -greg

  • greg (Bible Student)

    (Something unexpected happened when I clicked “Post Comment” so I hope this doesn’t show up twice, despite the fact that I checked and waited to see if it actually went through the after first attempt.)

    Hi Lee Anthony.

    I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

    I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

    Brother Russell seems to have indicated his belief that Judas would probably not have any hope of a resurrection. He says, “[Judas] sinned against great light; there is no hope for him in a future life.” And yet he also says, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.” You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

    I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

    Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

    If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

    But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

    And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

    So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

    Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain undecided and unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty. I accept that I do not KNOW for sure, and I don’t find that I absolutely MUST KNOW. Rather, I find myself in total agreement with the words that Brother Russell said, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.”

    How does this sit for you, Lee?
    -greg

  • Lee Anthony

    Hello,
    I have a question about a verse I was just reading (that I have never heard an explanation of) and i have never really thought about before… In (matt. 26:24) Jesus says “woe to the man who betrays the son of man it would be better for him if he had not been born” What is Jesus saying about Judas and it being better not to be born?? It almost seems that he was talking about the way of death cause in 1st part of verse it says “son of man will go just as it is written” yet i thought that somewhere it says jesus was to suffer more than anyone else…Any thoughts?

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Lee Anthony: Thank you for a very interesting question. Let’s take a look at the verse you are citing.

      Matthew 26:24 (NKJV)”The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

      Okay. So Jesus says it is better if Judas had never been born. Never existed? No. A stillborn child / miscarriage is a child that existed it the womb, but never left the womb alive. In that case, Judas could have been resurrected in the Kingdom with a clean slate and a full opportunity for life.

      Job describes the condition of both the child that dies at birth and also the stillborn child who dies in the womb. In both cases, they are said to be sleeping in death with the great people who died before them. These too will be resurrected to the paradise earth kingdom in the future.

      Job 3:11-19 (ESV) “11 Why did I not die at birth,
      come out from the womb and expire?
      12 Why did the knees receive me?
      Or why the breasts, that I should nurse?
      13 For then I would have lain down and been quiet;
      I would have slept; then I would have been at rest,
      14 with kings and counselors of the earth
      who rebuilt ruins for themselves,
      15 or with princes who had gold,
      who filled their houses with silver.
      16 Or why was I not as a hidden stillborn child,
      as infants who never see the light?
      17 There the wicked cease from troubling,
      and there the weary are at rest.
      18 There the prisoners are at ease together;
      they hear not the voice of the taskmaster.
      19 The small and the great are there,
      and the slave is free from his master.”

      We would love to here more from you on this or any other topic.

      • Lee Anthony

        Peter K.
        Thanks for response. Still a little confused on Judas… Is the implication then that he will still have a resurrection? (John 5:28) does say all in the graves will rise so this does of course make sense..

        • greg (Bible Student)

          Hi Lee Anthony.

          I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

          I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

          Brother Russell indicated his belief that Judas would not have any hope of a resurrection. You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

          I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

          Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

          If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

          But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

          And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

          So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

          Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty.

          How does this sit for you, Lee?
          -greg

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Lee Anthony – Greg’s reply helps to illustrate that Bible Students are not united on whether or not Judas will come back in the resurrected. One point of view is that Judas was a special case and a special exception to the Ransom since he had such a close relationship directly with Jesus for 3 1/2 years. If Judas is resurrected he will have to face all mankind in shame and demonstrate real repentance. You can find a debate on the question of whether Judas died the second death here:

          http://bibleresources.info/audio-hymns/audio-sermons/
          Search for the topic below:
          Did Judas Die the Second Death?
          Bill Dutka & Michael Nekora – General Convention 2007

          • Lee Anthony

            Peter and Greg,
            Thanks for insight. This is enough to satisfy my curiosities about the subject, I really have noone to discuss such things with in detail, a jw would just pull up a wt article as an explanation. I find that I dont need an explaination of everything in black and white since that knowledge specifically will not lead me unto life, I believe only Jesus can do that. (john 14:6) However, I will certainly listen to the debate on the matter. Thanks for the link. Study of the scriptures and discussion of that with others is a nice relief from the normal ( we know all attitude of the kingdom hall meetings). Thanks.

            • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

              Lee Anthony hello, I believe Jesus died for all fallen man including his betrayed on that night. They killed him not Judas. The decision was made in Genesis that it was between Satan and her seed not Judas.
              His death before Christ was a loss of being a foundation floor for the kingdom, one of the twelve.
              Could it be Jesus uttered a prophecy about his attitude in the Millennium maybe by saying son of destruction?
              I don’t know but I have faith God will be just for many did much more to our Lord than Judas. Lots could identify Jesus if they had waited until day for he preached openly. I think there is something deeper maybe about Judas as God knows the End to the Beginning on who we will be by choice. Just my two cents worth.

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