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  • User AvatarSanura Moon { Aw, thank you!!! - Sisters are aloud to do all of that! WOW!!! That is amazing to hear, thank you for sharing!! I can not... } – Feb 25, 7:57 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { FYI https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjwsurvey.org%2Fshunning-2%2Fnews-bulletin-jw-org-asks-can-a-person-resign-from-being-one-of-jehovahs-witnesses%2Fcomment-page-1&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ced177877cc2540e5877208d57cabe01c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636551999985244683&sdata=qeN3ZhJxx5jgbs19BRoZUSAWOwaHTgAEAjBECkjpdtw%3D&reserved=0 } – Feb 25, 7:52 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Sanura you are so sweet, if only your parents knew what a beautiful soldier for Christ you are! I am in Chicago now at our... } – Feb 25, 11:32 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { Ewww.....I can hear in my mind them giving applauses to that video. We know what they are for real so I think too it is... } – Feb 25, 6:13 AM
  • User AvatarTedR Bible Stusent { This video is so slanted and disgusting I couldn’t even finish it. They constantly portray “worldly people “ as intolerant, angry,and immoral and themselves as... } – Feb 25, 5:55 AM
  • User AvatarSanura Moon { I saw the JW video too on how we would respond to the LGBT lifestyle. We as Christians cant judge anyone for their chosen lifestyle.... } – Feb 24, 9:24 PM
  • User AvatarSanura Moon { I think this is why JW HIDE ALL OF THEIR HISTORY!!! Telling us all now, this is new light, the old light is not needed!... } – Feb 24, 8:38 PM
  • User AvatarSanura Moon { You are one of the most amazing and beautifully spirited people I have ever met in my life! Yes!! I totally understand everything you help... } – Feb 24, 8:31 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Sanura the watchtower society only came in around 1927-1931 as witnesses, so they are building on all of the other major Christian religions that have... } – Feb 24, 8:29 PM
  • User AvatarSanura Moon { Yes!! Exactly about the speaking in tongues! So many are trying to speak in Tongues today but they have no idea what it truly means... } – Feb 24, 8:19 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Thanks for posting it here. I have been affected by Lauren killing her family in her note she said she had to do it to... } – Feb 24, 8:12 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { It's ok. Everyone can have their own opinion of that video. No I havent been in the morning meeting. But I was in Sweden meeting. } – Feb 24, 7:02 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { The sixscreensofthewatchtower interviewed Joyce taylor the friend of Lauren Stewart. Joyce is the one standing on the chair in the kingdom hall here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBJ0siVgDkE She... } – Feb 24, 6:51 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Marjo, In my work as a peer-supporter for persons who have been sexually abused as children, I have worked with and made friends with persons... } – Feb 24, 6:41 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo, I have to rely on people's critique of the video. I saw the governingbody members faces and just couldn't listen to or read anything... } – Feb 24, 5:05 PM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { I don’t think so. The video is really accurate regarding the way LGBT people interact with Christians. } – Feb 24, 1:13 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo I will go look at the leaked video. The UK has picked up the Stuart family story. Our major news channels are picking it... } – Feb 23, 7:47 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I found this video from youtube. Leaked stuff for convention 2018. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFfmf6Z_Npc My opinion of that video is, that they are trying to make their... } – Feb 23, 2:24 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I have been following that too. It is amazing that they are not writing about it here in Finland anywhere. That hasn't been mentioned in... } – Feb 23, 11:35 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Well finally they are printing articles indicating it was the shunning that caused the murder suicide by Lauren Stuart- a witness. They haven't revealed the... } – Feb 22, 11:05 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Sanura right, they claim having magazines in different languages makes them speaking in tongues so to speak. Bible houses have printed the actual word of... } – Feb 22, 1:14 PM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { The interesting thing about the context of Acts isn't that they spoke in tongues, but what interests me more is that each person listening heard... } – Feb 22, 12:59 PM
  • User AvatarSanura Moon { I see, so they make the entire world think that they are better than them. That they are the only ones doing and going through... } – Feb 22, 12:51 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo hello, actually this is happening over and over again 1-4 people at a time. Jim Jones murdered-suicided 900 at once but the governing body... } – Feb 22, 12:35 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Sanura I agree with the witnesses on the purpose of the gifts. Normally I read NOTHING that they write or say, in order to be... } – Feb 22, 11:58 AM
  • User AvatarJust Stay Sweet and Good { Travler...Yes, also when we choose to be obedient in all things we then have a "spirit" about us that truly is astounding from the worlds... } – Feb 22, 8:43 AM
  • User AvatarTedR (Bible Student) { No they don't claim to speak in tongues they way they did when Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentecost. They do claim to be... } – Feb 22, 7:17 AM
  • User AvatarSanura Moon { Holy Spirit - Speaking In Tongues - Question: On the Watchtower site under Speaking In Tongues https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010735#h=22 Is Watchtower trying to say they are the... } – Feb 22, 3:08 AM
  • User AvatarSanura Moon { Oh! I forgot about the Elders Law Hand Book too! I once took it out of my Grandfathers bag when I was a little girl,... } – Feb 22, 2:53 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { And they say they are the most loving religion on earth...........Oh dear.......There is no words for all of that sorrow what peopel are suffering because... } – Feb 21, 10:52 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Greetings Manna. I find it so wonderful to read your expressions. Thank you. I concur with your sentiments completely. Would you care to tell us... } – Feb 21, 9:01 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Article Fully Explores jw.org Child Abuse in Canada and Worldwide JW Suicides youtube video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXyueaLFW-Q Link to actual article entitled: "Jehovah's Witnesses cover-up" http://www.ucobserver.org/justice/2018/01/jw/... } – Feb 21, 8:55 PM
  • User AvatarManna { It is so so unloving to call the early bible students evil slaves. It shows you what kind of man J. F. Rutherford was. He... } – Feb 21, 8:50 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Greg so many of us are speaking to media. This has tugged at everyones heart. I just emailed Trey. } – Feb 21, 8:15 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { New Research Shows Danger of Not Leaving Religion When You Want To Article is dated: 07 Feb 2018 http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/new-research-shows-danger-not-leaving-religion-want Opening snippet: New Study Shows Disturbing... } – Feb 21, 6:29 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Did you read some of the youtube comments? Here's a sampling: * "So they'll call the police when someone stands on a chair but not... } – Feb 21, 11:13 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Greg I got in touch with the detective on the day it happened and gave him more deaths similar to this one. Hopefully a clever... } – Feb 20, 2:01 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { I found a working link of the video of Joyce Taylor speaking out at the Kingdom Hall. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404467/Woman-killed-husband-2-adult-kids-killing-herself.html Several times she says, "DO NOT TOUCH... } – Feb 20, 1:22 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Isn't the murder-suicide sad and tragic? Joyce Taylor, who was interviewed, was a friend of the family and the news report said this: "Joyce says... } – Feb 20, 12:48 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Sanura, You wrote: "Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20 "All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound... } – Feb 20, 12:24 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Jim Jones causes the death of 900 people all at once and other doomsday cults have mass suicides on specific days. But count the day... } – Feb 20, 10:46 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Another senseless family murder because if shunning. http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/friend-blames-religion-for-keego-harbor-familys-murder-suicide http://www.nigeriatoday.ng/2018/02/jehovahs-witness-refused-blood-transfusion-for-his-pregnant-wife-till-she-died/ story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/19/keego-harbor-jehovahs-witness-mom-triple-murder-suicide/351559002 } – Feb 19, 9:45 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { Thank you for your answer. It helped me alot. } – Feb 19, 9:44 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Sanura you hit thenail on the head. The witnesses have more laws added to the Bible than are in the law code said one group... } – Feb 19, 5:51 PM
  • User AvatarTedR (Bible Student) { When Jesus gave that command he was preaching only to the Jews. It was not yet time to begin preaching to the Gentile nations. He... } – Feb 19, 4:47 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I have to continue that what I said. In Matthew 28: 19,20 he said to make students from all of the nations. He gave new... } – Feb 19, 1:42 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { Something like that I was thinkin when I was reading those verses. That is only one thought of that verse. There could be many more... } – Feb 19, 1:06 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Marjo, I very much appreciated your comment here. I found it very thought-provoking. Thank you!! When I first read your comment, I got distracted internally... } – Feb 19, 12:04 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Noel first put the scriptures in the correct Age or time period. Now at the end of the 1,000 year will all persons have to... } – Feb 19, 9:36 AM
  • User AvatarSanura Moon { Mind Control, Thought Control, Emotional Control words and phrases I heard as a JW repeated so many times I could not take it anymore: Stay... } – Feb 19, 12:33 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I am trying not to think of that too much. I am glad they don't know my address. Maybe they are afraid because they know... } – Feb 18, 11:36 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I was just reading this: Matthew: 10:5-7 These twelve Jesus sent forth, giving them these orders: "Do not go off in to the road of... } – Feb 18, 10:57 PM
  • User AvatarNoel Bordoy { The verses mentioned in "Salvation can only come through Christ", seems to indicate that only those who exercise faith in Christ will be saved. But... } – Feb 18, 10:51 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Dear Marjo, I hope that you regain your inner serenity quickly. I know how distressing it can be when you are falsely accused and publicly... } – Feb 18, 6:12 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { The Amsterdam TV program was an incredibly powerful segment, just a little over 10 minutes in length. It was shown on RTL Late Night. I'd... } – Feb 18, 6:07 PM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { You dont have to say it, the organization has done it for you. Here are a few starting with an older one that is now... } – Feb 18, 4:37 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { You have the right attitude Marjo, keeping talking. To talk loud enough for you to hear is immature and is that what you expect of... } – Feb 18, 12:52 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Hi Noel, Hebrews 1:5,6 5For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are my Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or... } – Feb 18, 9:22 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { You need to sleep sometimes. No I didnt say nothing to them. I was only shopping till I saw them and heard what they said... } – Feb 18, 9:13 AM
  • User AvatarNoel { Hi Sis. Jacqueline. Thanks for introducing me to br. Peter, and him for introducing me to Sis. Regine. I attended their bible study today. Also,... } – Feb 18, 8:19 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo I overslept Saturday so I wasnt on testimony meeting saturday morning. I am so sorry to hear you were disrespected by this man. What... } – Feb 18, 8:17 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I have been trying to clear my thoughts about what happen on Saturday in a store. I wrote that reply on Friday and right after... } – Feb 18, 1:17 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Enrico hello, Jehovah witnesses teaching is that only those within the organization will survive armageddon. Please read these articles first and understand what we see... } – Feb 17, 9:12 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { I have not looked at this yet but Barbara Anderson sent it to me; Amsterdam TV mentioned Jehovah witnesses she says. https://vimeo.com/256187135 This is a... } – Feb 17, 9:05 PM
  • User AvatarEnrico { "Much of what you state here we believe as well. Our main point of disagreement lies in the fact that you believe that only Jehovah’s... } – Feb 17, 7:55 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { I concur most emphatically!! The method of exposing persons to the continuous use of key words so as to psychologically condition people and to subsequently... } – Feb 17, 2:05 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Marjo, I'm so grateful to you for listing some of the very real ways that Jehovah's Witnesses and especially their Governing Body endeavour to influence... } – Feb 17, 1:36 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I had this experience today in a store. There was some witnesses I knew, and that man said to his wife: "Wasnt she one of... } – Feb 17, 1:00 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo you have hit the nail on the head about the word satan being used almost like a ritual. If fact I say often that... } – Feb 17, 12:38 PM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Bro Noel,WHen you try to come on next time you should try firefox or chrome & come on only with your computer or lap topBro... } – Feb 17, 2:49 AM
  • User AvatarNoel { Yes, bro. Richard, and thanks to you all for the warm reception. } – Feb 16, 11:49 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I have long been thinking of this. Many people are saying that religions brainwash their members. That is what they said when I was a... } – Feb 16, 11:03 PM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Hello Bro Noel,from australia,I hear you joined our friday skype study Lastnight.Hope you can come on the Australian Testimony meeting tonight,7.00PM Aust Daylight saving time.... } – Feb 16, 8:22 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Hello to everyone reading. I'm wondering if anyone would like to have a conversation about doubt and re-learning how to love and trust one's self... } – Feb 16, 6:33 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I also hate how they think that Jehovah is only their God. If someone else is speaking in Jehovah's name they are false. Jehovah isn't... } – Feb 16, 12:42 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo I agree it is the leaders of the sytems of religion that Jesus is addressing. He told Peter to feed his little lambs and... } – Feb 16, 12:08 PM
  • User AvatarNoel { Hi Sis. Jackelyn. No need to ask to ask Bro. Jerome. Anyone can answer my question. Thanks everyone for the comments. } – Feb 15, 9:37 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Noel concerning membership. I see no scriptural reason for having to join a church because Christians should be able to meet in little or larger... } – Feb 15, 11:09 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { Woe to scribes, Parisees, hypocrites. I think Jesus was speaking about religious leaders in Matthew chapter 23, not about members what they were leading. He... } – Feb 15, 9:36 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Noel. Yes Br. Peter passed your info on to the brothers in your country. I just saw your comment and am on the study now... } – Feb 14, 7:27 PM
  • User AvatarJust stay sweet and good { Noel...............Its our conscience we want to keep pure. Mathew 5:8 Unless Jehovah God builds the house it really of no value. This is the scripture... } – Feb 14, 1:08 PM
  • User AvatarNoel { I don't know if my previous comment got posted already. It's just a question regarding R. Jerome Harris' comment. When it comes to our sharing... } – Feb 14, 8:41 AM
  • User AvatarNoel { Regarding R. Jerome Harris' comment, i'd like to ask if in this present time, our membership to whatever religious group is irrelevant if we want... } – Feb 14, 8:29 AM
  • User AvatarNoel { Hi Jacqueline, sorry I was not able to join your online meeting because of the difference in our time zone. I'm still in the office... } – Feb 14, 8:24 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I hope that too. The other video link shows these trumpet sounds was heard in elsewhere too. I have always been wondering while reading the... } – Feb 14, 6:09 AM
  • User AvatarSanura Moon { Marjo, That video link, I am so happy to see you shared it, if it is real yes!! They say its the first trumpet sound... } – Feb 14, 5:19 AM
  • User AvatarSanura Moon { Hi Henry! I am so happy to read your comment to me! I love how you wrote: "...each test God allows you to go through... } – Feb 14, 4:48 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { Hello you are right about that money has shown important role if you wanted to make friends with JW's. All of them weren't into money,... } – Feb 14, 1:09 AM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Hello Richard,The comments given to you are all very worthwhile.The other thing we need to consider is that Satan & his wicked angels have been... } – Feb 13, 5:31 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { There is another video of same trumpet sounds not just in Jerusalem in other world too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnvhPt2N_js } – Feb 13, 9:34 AM
  • User AvatarEllis Green { Hi Everyone, After reading so many letters from ex-JWs I am curious; are there any ex Mormons, ex- Scientologists, ex 7th Day Advenyists, ex-Christadelphians and... } – Feb 13, 8:11 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I don't know where to post this, but I see this video very interesting....if it is real I hope so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mLWdM4KAr0 } – Feb 13, 12:42 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Hi anonymous, I can almost feel your heart bleeding by your brief descriptive and accurate words. I dont know all your details but any one... } – Feb 12, 10:50 PM
  • User Avatar { Jehovah Witness has destroyed my life and the lives of my family. They act so saints ominous in front of others when the are no... } – Feb 12, 9:03 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Hi Nigel and welcome. No, this site has always been friendsofjehovahswitnesses. David Reed ran that site and now he might be in league with the... } – Feb 12, 11:58 AM
  • User AvatarNigel James { Hi... was this site originally called "Comments from the Friends" ? } – Feb 12, 7:19 AM
  • User AvatarMarjo { I bet Jehovah Witnesses cant respond for this in their magazines. Otherwise they would have to break their rules and read something what is not... } – Feb 12, 6:24 AM
  • User AvatarRoy Robert S { Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in the below. 1. Jesus' ransom sacrifice did not include Adam. 2. Jesus did not die on a cross but on a... } – Feb 12, 4:27 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Marjo hopefully you got the name and address that Br. Richard posted. If not I can send the post to you by email or Br... } – Feb 11, 8:19 PM
  • User AvatarMarjo { Kent has mentioned about them. He has tried to contact to them with e-mail but there has been no response from them. } – Feb 11, 6:53 PM
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  • Anonymous

    Jehovah Witness has destroyed my life and the lives of my family. They act so saints ominous in front of others when the are no better than those they reguard as WORLDLY. They have their own little clicks. Money seems to make a difference in how your treated and accepted. They are liars. They are controll freaks, they try to take over and run your life. They are NARCISSIST.

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Hi anonymous, I can almost feel your heart bleeding by your brief descriptive and accurate words. I dont know all your details but any one of the thousands on this website could have written the exact words. They, I have to believe are under the direct influence if satan. My reason for saying this is they are like him, destruction of family is what he did in Eden and afterwards. Consider Job becaused Job loved God and God loved him, satan hit his family right off the bat. God must love you too for him to use what he knows works against lovers of Jehovah and Jesus, destroying your family. GOD is listening and governments are moving against that governing body system. Until you get relief you are welcome here with us and you can talk, we will listen and help you.
      What happenned

    • Marjo

      Hello you are right about that money has shown important role if you wanted to make friends with JW’s. All of them weren’t into money, but when it came to young witnesses, their hobbies were expensive and they chose their friens like, whom had enough money to follow them. Some of them drove with BMW’s and Mercedes. Things what they own, show what they are inside.

  • Richard

    Struggle somewhat with “all” being resurrected… there have been, and still are, evil people who existed, and continue to exist in these last days. So when they are resurrected will they return with their violent ways, and will they continue to be a threat to us followers of Christ?

    • greg (Bible Student)

      Richard,

      Ah, yes indeed, an excellent question. Those resurrected will still have the same mind and heart as when they died.

      Though Isaiah 11:6-9 speaks of animals, I conclude that this passage is pictorial of the animalistic tendencies within persons because verse 9 speaks of nothing and no one causing harm or ruin because the earth is filled with the knowledge of Jehovah. I’m thinking it will people, not animals that will have this knowledge (appreciation).

      (from RVIC)

      6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
      7 And the cow and the bear shall feed together; and their young ones shall lie down; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
      8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den.
      9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

      Moreover, one of the many hats Jesus will hear has the title “Prince of Peace,” and surely, if he could quiet the raging sea and wind, and heal the ear of the soldier that Peter cut off, he can certainly use his power to restrain the attempts to harm others.

      There are several discussions on this subject found within the Studies in the Scriptures, such as on page 217 in volume 1, and many other references listed in the Expanded Biblical Comments. I recall reading one expression that made sense with my own experience, and though I can’t locate the exact page and paragraph at the moment, it said that in contrast to how Ecclesiastes 8:11 speaks of the way things are presently, where a person can act in a harmful way with no immediate consequences, and thus no immediate awareness of how that “bad act” is actually harmful to them as well, in the Kingdom, there will be immediate feedback that will “teach” people that they are really only hurting themselves when they try to hurt others.

      -greg

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Richard people sin differently. Jesus came to save sinners. The sick. Some of us without influence would by nature practice good but without a redeemer of Adam we might as well have been bad. Al Capone loved to plant flowers and gave to charities. I wonder what changed him? Greed, bad breaks? This helps me grasp that some very bad sinners had something bad happen to change them. I don’t know if you see what I am saying but Jesus ransomed Adam thus ALL men. We all fall short but differently. A gossiper or liar destroys many lives. Even sending the wrong person to prison and he dies by someone else’s hand. A murderer takes one life. Which is the worse sinner? Sin is sin. They both brings death and redemption pays it’s price for All.

      • greg (Bible Student)

        Jacqueline,

        Your comment inspires me to write a lengthy novel on my learnings that mirror and evidence the same conclusions as you make.

        Put simply, we are all, each and every one of us made in God’s image. And all God’s works are perfect–even in that they can become damaged. God’s qualities are thus imbued in us from even before we are conceived. And our unbroken nature tends towards compassion and love and giving.

        It is our environment, our cultural programming, and the evil things that have happened to us that damage some of us so severely that we begin to imagine it as impossible to meet our own needs without ignoring (and often trampling on) the needs of another. When this happens in a person, they become broken–not evil. They may DO evil henceforth, but they are broken, disconnected from life.

        It is an extremely rare thing to find someone truly evil. I can think of only one or two names that MIGHT possibly be considered “evil”, but even with these one’s, I cannot help but wonder, what HAPPENED to them?

        In my experience, people do well IF THEY CAN. People WANT to do well. People STRIVE to learn, and grow, and improve–IF THEY CAN. I see The Peaceful Kingdom providing all the healing and nurturing conditions conducive for all people to do well.

        I have seen so much evidence of this in my own experience. And I know of many other noteable names that have expressed similar experiences.

        True, not everyone is able to see the world this way–at least not at first. But that seems to me to be precisely part of the machine (Satan’s design) that creates such enemy images of persons in the first place. And then it’s only a small step to the side to start behaving in ways considered evil.

        I’d really like to quote two people that greatly influenced my life, learning, and growth over the years.

        Carl Rogers wrote in his book “On Becoming a Person” (pages 26, 27):

        (begin quote)
        There is one deep learning which is perhaps basic to all of the things I have said thus far. It has been forced upon me by more than twenty-five years of trying to be helpful to individuals in personal distress. It is simply this. It has been my experience that persons have a basically positive direction. In my deepest contacts with individuals in therapy, even those whose troubles are most disturbing, whose behavior has been most anti-social, whose feelings seem most abnormal, I find this to be true. When I can sensitively understand the feelings which they are expressing, when I am able to accept them as separate persons in their own right, then I find that they tend to move in certain directions. And what are these directions in which they tend to move? The words which I believe are most truly descriptive are words such as positive, constructive, moving toward self-actualization, growing toward maturity, growing toward socialization. I have come to feel that the more fully the individual is understood and accepted, the more he tends to drop the false fronts with which he has been meeting life, and the more he tends to move in a direction which is forward.

        I would not want to be misunderstood on this. I do not have a Pollyanna view of human nature. I am quite aware that out of defensiveness and inner fear individuals can and do behave in ways which are incredibly cruel, horribly destructive, immature, regressive, anti-social, hurtful. Yet one of the most refreshing and invigorating parts of my experience is to work with such individuals and to discover the strongly positive directional tendencies which exist in them, as in all of us, at the deepest levels.
        (end quote)

        Marshall Rosenberg wrote in his book “Nonviolent Communication – A Language of Life” (page 162):

        (begin quote)
        The assumption behind the protective use of force is that people behave in ways injurious to themselves and others due to some form of ignorance. The corrective process is therefore one of education, not punishment. Ignorance includes (a) a lack of awareness of the consequences of our actions, (b) an inability to see how our needs may be met without injury to others, (c) the belief that we have the “right” to punish or hurt others because they “deserve” it, and (d) delusional thinking that involves, for example, hearing a “voice” that instructs us to kill someone.

        Punitive action, on the other hand, is based on the assumption that people commit offenses because they are bad or evil, and to correct the situation, they need to be made to repent. Their “correction” is undertaken through punitive action designed to make them (1) suffer enough to see the error of their ways, (2) repent, and (3) change. In practice, however, punitive action, rather than evoking repentance and learning, is just as likely to generate resentment and hostility and to reinforce resistance to the very behavior we are seeking.
        (end quote)

        I can affirm without reservation, that both these expressions have been equally true (and equally surprising at first) in my experience also. And yes, I echo Carl when I admit truthfully that this view was rather “forced upon me” by my own experience as well.

        Did I mention how much I enjoyed Br. Rick Suraci’s discourse “A boy and His Uncle” from this year’s convention?

        “Small Steps. Read Pages. Chickens can’t burp.”

        -greg

        • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

          Greg, I think Jehovah knows this about human nature that even the evilest person can change and many will. Some will change and when satan is loosed, they will with full knowledge choose as he did to go against God. But when we hear what happened in youth to some of the molesters we will have compassion and help them heal as well as their victims. This is a job ahead of us all as we learn from Christ. I can’t judge a person now because like you I have heard of some of the vile things done to children who are now adults on my table telling the story.
          While we are talking, let me hit a controversial subject that ignited a storm on facebook with many a “Christian”. It is the Gay community and I will tell only one story that totally shook me to my core.
          Late one night it was snowing hard and we were advised by the DOT not to shut down our shops until the truck drivers got off the highways and were okay. (My business was at flying J service center at crossroads of America., Dr. haircuts etc)
          A person walked in and I wasn’t sure how to address them but proceeded without saying he or she.
          When I had the person flat on their back with hairline showing and all (I am also a licensed cosmetologist) I knew this was a she. the cheekbones, neck gorgeous hair and we talked about the same things and loved it.
          This person cried and said I like you, you are so kind to me. He said what do you think my gender is? I said beyond a shadow of a doubt you are female but yet I also see male in a strange way, plus your dress is distinctly male. So I said do you want to talk about it? Yes. The story and my exam and observation convinced me that there is some hormonal mixup in the womb, maybe because of chemicals in our food, our additive air but this was my second person that I can attest they are neither male nor female but somewhere in between. The other person was a witness brother that choose the male gender because the society GB) said he should try to chose one and stick to it. This person and I became friends that night and I told him about the kingdom and how the suffering would end and all mankind would be made whole. She dressed as a male to be able to fight and keep peace near her. He was both but he was a female. I am not talking about your promiscuous individuals having a good time but there is something wrong with the gene pool now. I have seen many case files on this.
          That is why I don’t be judging people. I have to leave that up to God and just do what he told us to do, preach, teach and baptize in the name of the Father and Son.
          All judging has been put into his hands. I just feel sorry for the people who as a child was hardened and turned into an animal. Just had to get that out there. We have a diverse audience.

          • greg (Bible Student)

            Jacqueline, and all others who might be reading,

            Thank you so very sincerely for sharing this with all of us.

            This story touches me so deeply, so profoundly. I cannot say in words how thankful I am to you for sharing it. Now I don’t have to try and share similar stories from my encounters with persons who have been unfairly judged, condemned, shunned, and mistreated over the years. I really do weep tears for the secret shames, the hidden fears, the loss of anything resembling normality, and the traumatic fallout that so many persons who have been broken and damaged face and endure every day. For those who manage to endure, I hope and pray they also manage to find moments of relief, and possibly even joy. For those who make their own relief because they cannot endure any longer, I long for the day I can welcome them back and support them as they work to heal and recover their dignity, their humanity, their hopes, and their lost opportunities.

            Won’t it be wonderful to meet and discover the person they could have been, the person God actually intended for them to be able to grow to be?

            -greg

    • Richard Tazzyman

      Hello Richard,The comments given to you are all very worthwhile.The other thing we need to consider is that Satan & his wicked angels have been bound for a thousand years,Christ is in controll for a thousand years.So Satan has no more influence over Mankind during this time!And the Mighty God( Not the Almighty,Jehovah)Jesus will have the power,Influence to controll mankind,Remember the Scriptures tell Us that they will not cause any Harm in my holy mountain,& if we ask why,the answer is “Because the earth will cetainly be filled with the Knoweldge of Jehovah”!

  • Prodigal

    Anonymous CJ, Thank you for your feed back. But I’m not clear where we are disagree, so help me here, let me analysis your comments.

    We are not disagree, that there is a sin against the Holy spirit. Are we?

    We not disagreeing about Jesus aplication of his ransome sacrifice, (whats covered and whats not covered). Are we?

    But I’m confused; What make you think that I’m not in agreement or disagreeing with your comments.

    I never stated that; “only the anointed poseses the Holy spirit” I quoted the scriptures and what Jesus said on the matter. I just presented my compilation of the scriptures. No opinions!

    I don’t know what scriptural basis you have for this comment: “Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it”. But I will entertain your scriptual findings.

    But please point out your disagreement?

    From the congregation of Ephesus

  • Prodigal

    Prodigal,

    Matt. 26:24 woe to that man through whom the son of man is betrayed, it would have been better for that man if he had not been born, Why?

    This is Jesus’s conclusion, explaining it to Pontius Pilate, about His sacrifice and what is true,
    John 18:37b everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.

    The law prescribe,
    Deuteronomy 27:25 “cursed is the one who accept a bribe to kill an innocent person” … Amen!

    John 19:11b this is why the man who handed me over to you have “greater sin”

    Jesus Himself said in Matthew 12:31, 32 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.” vs 32; For example whoever speaks a word against the son of man it will be forgiven him but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him, No! not in this system of things nor in that to come.

    Jesus explaining to the scribe, “The unforgivable sin”, and elaborate on this point.
    Mark 3:28,29 truly I say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men no matter what the sin they commit and what blaspheming they speak but whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin.

    In another passage, Jesus talking to his Holy Father in a prayer,
    Jn 17:12 when I was with them I used to watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me and I have protected them and not one of them is destroyed except the son of Destruction, “so that the scriptures might be fulfilled”.

    Who is the son of Destruction (mentioned by Jesus) so the scriptures may be fulfilled? “Whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin”.

    There are three known, scriptural sinners, that have sin against the Holy Spirit and is mention in the Bible;

    Judas Iscariot is the first, please call to mind that this particular sin was foretold or prophesied.

    Let me try to use a more modern approach, some of us who have a life policy, known as life insurance policy to protect or cover our benefactors. However all insurance policies have limitations. So those, Jesus ransom sacrifice it’s like a life policy, it has what’s covered and what’s not covered on the policy, technically known as inclusions and exclusions.

    Jesus’s live policy; also has inclusion and exclusion, Truly I say to you… Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever!

    • Anonymous CJ

      Prodigal.,
      Thank you for your comment. However we must disagree. The only unforgivable sin is sin against the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:28-30). Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it. The world of mankind doesn’t not have the Holy Spirit to sin against. Let’s take an example. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe they Sodom will not be resurrected. However lets take a look at what the Bible has to say.

      “Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.” – Matthew 10:15

      If Sodom is not to be ressurected please explain what will be more bearable for them in a day of Judgement that they will not be in!!!!!

      The Bible guarantees a resurrection for everyone.
      “As in Adam all are dying as so in the Christ ask shall be made alive.”
      1 Cor 15:22

      We are currently in the Gospel Age (Christian portion of this system of things) which opened when Christ came and will be open until the 144,000 is complete. Nowhere does the Bible show that anyone other than the spirit anointed can go into second death. The world of mankind cannot blaspheme against what they do not have. The only time the world of mankind will go into second death is at the end of the 1000 years when Satan is let out.

  • greg (Bible Student)

    Hi Peter and/or Jacqueline.

    I tried to reply to this twice now and neither instance showed up. Did I perhaps trigger the spam filters again?

    If my reply attempts can be still retrieved, can you post only the second one, please? I tweaked it a bit more while I was waiting to see if the first attempt showed up.

    Thanks so much.
    -greg

  • greg (Bible Student)

    (Something unexpected happened when I clicked “Post Comment” so I hope this doesn’t show up twice, despite the fact that I checked and waited to see if it actually went through the after first attempt.)

    Hi Lee Anthony.

    I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

    I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

    Brother Russell seems to have indicated his belief that Judas would probably not have any hope of a resurrection. He says, “[Judas] sinned against great light; there is no hope for him in a future life.” And yet he also says, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.” You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

    I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

    Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

    If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

    But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

    And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

    So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

    Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain undecided and unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty. I accept that I do not KNOW for sure, and I don’t find that I absolutely MUST KNOW. Rather, I find myself in total agreement with the words that Brother Russell said, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.”

    How does this sit for you, Lee?
    -greg

  • Lee Anthony

    Hello,
    I have a question about a verse I was just reading (that I have never heard an explanation of) and i have never really thought about before… In (matt. 26:24) Jesus says “woe to the man who betrays the son of man it would be better for him if he had not been born” What is Jesus saying about Judas and it being better not to be born?? It almost seems that he was talking about the way of death cause in 1st part of verse it says “son of man will go just as it is written” yet i thought that somewhere it says jesus was to suffer more than anyone else…Any thoughts?

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Lee Anthony: Thank you for a very interesting question. Let’s take a look at the verse you are citing.

      Matthew 26:24 (NKJV)”The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

      Okay. So Jesus says it is better if Judas had never been born. Never existed? No. A stillborn child / miscarriage is a child that existed it the womb, but never left the womb alive. In that case, Judas could have been resurrected in the Kingdom with a clean slate and a full opportunity for life.

      Job describes the condition of both the child that dies at birth and also the stillborn child who dies in the womb. In both cases, they are said to be sleeping in death with the great people who died before them. These too will be resurrected to the paradise earth kingdom in the future.

      Job 3:11-19 (ESV) “11 Why did I not die at birth,
      come out from the womb and expire?
      12 Why did the knees receive me?
      Or why the breasts, that I should nurse?
      13 For then I would have lain down and been quiet;
      I would have slept; then I would have been at rest,
      14 with kings and counselors of the earth
      who rebuilt ruins for themselves,
      15 or with princes who had gold,
      who filled their houses with silver.
      16 Or why was I not as a hidden stillborn child,
      as infants who never see the light?
      17 There the wicked cease from troubling,
      and there the weary are at rest.
      18 There the prisoners are at ease together;
      they hear not the voice of the taskmaster.
      19 The small and the great are there,
      and the slave is free from his master.”

      We would love to here more from you on this or any other topic.

      • Lee Anthony

        Peter K.
        Thanks for response. Still a little confused on Judas… Is the implication then that he will still have a resurrection? (John 5:28) does say all in the graves will rise so this does of course make sense..

        • greg (Bible Student)

          Hi Lee Anthony.

          I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

          I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

          Brother Russell indicated his belief that Judas would not have any hope of a resurrection. You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

          I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

          Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

          If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

          But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

          And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

          So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

          Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty.

          How does this sit for you, Lee?
          -greg

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Lee Anthony – Greg’s reply helps to illustrate that Bible Students are not united on whether or not Judas will come back in the resurrected. One point of view is that Judas was a special case and a special exception to the Ransom since he had such a close relationship directly with Jesus for 3 1/2 years. If Judas is resurrected he will have to face all mankind in shame and demonstrate real repentance. You can find a debate on the question of whether Judas died the second death here:

          http://bibleresources.info/audio-hymns/audio-sermons/
          Search for the topic below:
          Did Judas Die the Second Death?
          Bill Dutka & Michael Nekora – General Convention 2007

          • Lee Anthony

            Peter and Greg,
            Thanks for insight. This is enough to satisfy my curiosities about the subject, I really have noone to discuss such things with in detail, a jw would just pull up a wt article as an explanation. I find that I dont need an explaination of everything in black and white since that knowledge specifically will not lead me unto life, I believe only Jesus can do that. (john 14:6) However, I will certainly listen to the debate on the matter. Thanks for the link. Study of the scriptures and discussion of that with others is a nice relief from the normal ( we know all attitude of the kingdom hall meetings). Thanks.

            • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

              Lee Anthony hello, I believe Jesus died for all fallen man including his betrayed on that night. They killed him not Judas. The decision was made in Genesis that it was between Satan and her seed not Judas.
              His death before Christ was a loss of being a foundation floor for the kingdom, one of the twelve.
              Could it be Jesus uttered a prophecy about his attitude in the Millennium maybe by saying son of destruction?
              I don’t know but I have faith God will be just for many did much more to our Lord than Judas. Lots could identify Jesus if they had waited until day for he preached openly. I think there is something deeper maybe about Judas as God knows the End to the Beginning on who we will be by choice. Just my two cents worth.

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