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  • User AvatarChris J { Hey Nuppy Tope, Have you ever read the Herald Magazines? Really deep and AMAZING stuff!! } – May 20, 4:56 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { traveler, Do you know that when I hear you say, "Don't Worry," I begin to get even more worried? Are you aware that it is... } – May 20, 1:59 PM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Hi Ian and welcome! I live in UK as well, Cornwall to be exact, and recently disassociated myself after 59 years of being a JW.... } – May 20, 3:31 AM
  • User AvatarHenry H.(bible student) { Traveler. I read your comments above and I was PERPLEXED and SHOCKED by a statement you made.I quote you” Unlike most we believe many were... } – May 19, 9:45 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { True traveler, the Catholic priest are just like the governing body. They accept and condone rape and sodomy of young girls and boys. For once... } – May 19, 9:25 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { San Diego convention has started. The convention has seating capacity they say of 60,000. There is 17,000 in attendance. I have attended and you couldn't... } – May 19, 8:00 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Henry, greg and i are on. Go through the site from that link maybe. } – May 19, 7:42 PM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Hi, unable to join conference testimony. My app on phone keeps saying that I am unable to join meeting at this time. Try again later? } – May 19, 7:37 PM
  • User AvatarRichard Tazzyman { Dear Bro Ian,We have others like you In the UK,Some have left,others Have found the Bible students.I my self was a JW From the mid... } – May 19, 6:03 PM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { Welcome! I too have a disabled wife. I have been very cautious not openly to do anything that will get me disfellowshipped because of her... } – May 19, 4:14 PM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { I found this great article on the two witness rule. Here is the link: http://beroeans.net/2017/08/30/the-two-witness-rule-under-the-microscope/ This website also contains other great a articles debunking many... } – May 19, 3:59 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Ian howat welcome, when I saw your first name and from the UK it brought tears to my eyes! Those that were on this site... } – May 19, 3:44 PM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { ian.........I have been in your situation also. I'll just tell you what I did. OK? Number #1 You can't write a script ahead of time... } – May 19, 2:37 PM
  • User Avatarian howat { hellow from uk i have been following the bible students for about 3 years now..been a jw since 1963..im very unhappy with the way things... } – May 19, 12:10 PM
  • User AvatarJust Stay Sweet and Good { Tom.........One thing we all have to remember is that a belief system is still "a work". It is not our works that save us, but... } – May 18, 8:14 PM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { Totally agree! Christ gave his life as a ransom for all...not just JW's } – May 18, 3:32 PM
  • User Avatartraveler { Greg, we believe you as many others on this site have missed which horn we are blowing. If in fact a simple, short answer will... } – May 18, 2:51 PM
  • User AvatarChris J { So I agree with everything Jacqueline said. And also Hebrews 10:26 in our understanding is for those who are begotten by the Holy Spirit and... } – May 18, 4:18 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Hi Tom and thanks for commenting. I was confused also about armageddon, because i was a witness all my life 62 years. But I learned... } – May 17, 11:07 PM
  • User AvatarTom { Who dies at Armageddon? Do “Christians” that believe in false doctrines not taught in the scriptures die? In your senerio of Armageddon, it seems very... } – May 17, 10:41 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Pathetic JW Response to its Dutch Child Abuse Survivors (from JW Suicides' YouTube Channel) (length = 4:56) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5giwBtjWSyI From an original News Article found here:... } – May 16, 12:38 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Israel fulfilling Bible Prophecy????? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1781329385246533&set=pcb.1781336375245834&type=3 From this brothers facebook page: 70th ANNIVERSITY OF THE JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL May 14, 1948 – May 14, 2018... } – May 16, 12:09 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Read the entire article, you will notice they worship Jehovah it says. Some on facebook says definitely this is witness related. Killed the entire family.... } – May 14, 5:28 PM
  • User AvatarChris J { Yes. 70 years each time. Have you heard if David Rice chronology with 2043? } – May 14, 5:22 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { We had a discussion on what the rings are about that governing body members and some Circuit overseers are wearing. There are many youtube videos... } – May 13, 5:14 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Nubby Tope, If you have the Bible Resources app on your phone there is a notice to register for a live 90 minutes webinar on... } – May 13, 10:24 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Hi Nubby Tope, Calculating the differences across time zones really can get confusing sometimes. Maybe this webpage would help you determine the corresponding local times... } – May 13, 10:15 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Hey Brandon, Aw, I'm sad we missed you, too. We must have just missed each other by moments. If I'd known, I would have happily... } – May 13, 9:46 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { This is amazing! Very logically explained. But I'm curious; this year is 70 years since Israel's independence and Trump has declared Jerusalem as Israel's capital.... } – May 13, 8:16 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { I'd love to come on here but I'm in UK and I can never work out what time to come on. Is there a time... } – May 13, 3:16 AM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { My son is doing very well. Couple days ago had tubes put in his ears and since, has slept through every night and is much... } – May 12, 11:11 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { I had an uplifting time. We were able to discuss taking advantage of being freedom and not being afraid to think or have another thought... } – May 12, 10:26 PM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Greg, Hey brother. I tried callin in but didnt get home till late tonight. We were doin our family shopping trip and at 9ish no... } – May 12, 9:47 PM
  • User AvatarAnon CJ { When it comes to the Great Pyramid we can only speculate. I spent my first two years of being with the Bible Students studying it.... } – May 12, 2:08 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { I just wanted to reach out to anyone who might be a bit reluctant about joining the Testimony meetings. About 15 years ago, I was... } – May 12, 11:14 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Thanks for sharing these expressions, Enzo. There are many persons that will be able to glean helpful little gems from your words and experiences. Sincerely... } – May 11, 6:46 PM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { Hi Enzo. My wife is still a JW. A word of advice; Don't try to talk about the things you are learning to any of... } – May 11, 4:29 PM
  • User AvatarEnzo { Thanks gregg for your thoughts and reply.. What helped me to take peace with my decisions? A good question.. İt is a process that is... } – May 11, 2:21 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Greetings Enzo, It's a pleasure to make your acquaintance. I send you my warm love. I recall the time years ago when I made my... } – May 11, 10:39 AM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { Hi Enzo Good for you! I am not disfellowshipped, but I have not reported time for over a year. I avoid being DF'd because of... } – May 11, 8:40 AM
  • User AvatarEnzo { Thanks for your reply Ted, İ am very disturbed of the fact that when İ made manifest to the elders that İ will not sign... } – May 11, 8:29 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Everyone needs to see this. Thanks again Enzo! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktyUhujNrEw&t=61s Please go here forall ex witnesses or those in. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gdpr What is it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5WJOncaHt4 } – May 11, 8:22 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Enzo no and yes, we don't collect data, but I know what uou are speaking of and I must post again the explanation on you... } – May 11, 8:12 AM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { Hi Enzo. The answer to your question is an emphatic no! Keep in mind the Bible Students do not have a centralized organization. They are... } – May 11, 6:36 AM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { Last week and this coming week, the JW's are studying articles on Baptism. The emphasis is essentially pushing young ones to baptism. I came across... } – May 11, 6:26 AM
  • User AvatarEnzo { Good morning from Belgium Jacqueline, İt is quite a lot of time ago we heard each other trough this website. And İ hope everything is... } – May 11, 5:45 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Nubby Tope, I have enjoyed our chats also. This is what this site is about. To hold each others hand as we steady ourselves get... } – May 10, 10:19 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Jacqueline, I've seen those videos about the pyramid near Bermuda. I also saw a documentary about a pyramid found in USA and it reminded me... } – May 10, 9:19 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Nubby Tope, I love Kim and Mikey plus Critical Thinker with Lady Cee. I havent seen that video but have seen tons of pyramid videos.... } – May 10, 8:25 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Greeting Greg, Yes, you expressed my sentiments well! Your words are encouraging! thanks. I'm not too sure what it is you learnt from Gen 2:17.... } – May 10, 7:22 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Hi Everyone! Does anybody watch Kim Mikey's YouTube videos? New one there about WERE THE PYRAMIDS BUILT BEFORE THE FLOOD? Very interesting and I'd love... } – May 10, 3:12 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Christian Blessings Ted! Thanks for your reply! And Yes I agree, it's best we do what we can to detimine God's will and do that!... } – May 10, 2:42 AM
  • User AvatarJust Stay Sweet and Good { Ted..Yes.....Many times I remember that scripture that says "If someone knows how to do the right thing and dose not do it it is a... } – May 09, 10:20 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { 😅😁😂 using our minds! } – May 09, 4:36 PM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { I agree with what you said, Jesus did pay that ransom. But because of the imperfection we inherited from Adam, we still die and we... } – May 09, 12:54 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Ted R hello. "It is because of Adam's sin that we are all under condemnation of death." I have been reasoning from the scriptures on... } – May 09, 9:54 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Interested one, and All OTHER Interested ones, I've read and appreciated this and your other comments, and I hope you hear my reply as encouraging,... } – May 09, 7:55 AM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { You are correct, each of us bears a responsibility towards our own sin. It is because of Adam's sin that we are all under condemnation... } – May 09, 7:23 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Hi, everyone! I can't say I agree with all the above list. I'm a skeptical believer. I don't take everything people or an oganization say... } – May 09, 5:52 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Greets Ted! Thanks for your reply. I should have replied to you first but I got caught up in Gregs post, so most of what... } – May 09, 4:35 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Hi again Greg! Interesting analogy ! I believe all mankind died the day Adam rebelled against God's universal principle of truth to fill the earth... } – May 09, 4:12 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Thanks, for sharing your thoughts!, I am aware of many the definations of sin. I have been a witness for many years, however, it is... } – May 09, 2:35 AM
  • User AvatarLee Anthony (Brandon) { Hi traveler. I will be emailing you soon. Been very busy at work and having issues with family sickness. I did receive an email/post from... } – May 08, 9:44 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { traveler, You wrote: "Since we seem to be the only anointed to come forward, we’d think that the process of getting to know us would... } – May 08, 11:16 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Oh! One thing I'd like to add: I missed addressing the idea of "inheriting sin". I get that. I mean, ok, so I screwed something... } – May 08, 10:42 AM
  • User Avatartraveler { Sorry you took the posts that way. We have no idea what you're talking about "our ruling body" or "blitz". We've confined our post primarily... } – May 08, 10:19 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { TO: Any and All interested ones, I vividly recall the years when I had become convinced (due to long-term exposure to Watchtower's unhealthy teachings) that... } – May 08, 10:16 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { JSSG, true and we are all captives on this spaceship earth. We all die just like the dog and rot. So glad I have learned... } – May 08, 9:48 AM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { Nubby Tope, Yes, absolutely. That's a great scripture to contribute. Thanks! -greg } – May 08, 9:34 AM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { Sin is a falling short of the will of God. Because of our imperfection inherited from Adam, none of us can be perfect thus all... } – May 08, 9:11 AM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { Jacquelline .......another way to view "all sorts" (based on the root word polli... where it is translated correctly) is variety, all kinds, different ethnicities, good... } – May 08, 8:35 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Nubby Tope, we know they are aware that having a governing body is wrong because they fought Raymond Franz when he wanted it instituted. They... } – May 08, 8:29 AM
  • User AvatarInterested one { Hi!I have been looking through the site looking for one on "sin", I know it may not be the most savoury subject, but I have... } – May 08, 7:24 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Greg, There's the Scripture (Jeremiah 10:29?) that says: "Man has dominated Man to his injury". Think that applies to GB? I certainly do! } – May 08, 12:32 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { traveler, I thought we agreed your post to Brandon was going directly to his email as a private conversation. I did copy and send to... } – May 07, 9:16 PM
  • User Avatartraveler { Hi again Brandon. We wrote you a reply and posted it this morning and it showed up for a while but now it is gone... } – May 07, 7:38 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { I am sending Una here to read this. She needs to see your excellent presentation of what is going on. I like how you put... } – May 07, 5:49 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { There was one link I didn't post even though I was tempted. For a variety of reasons I am choosing to leave only a bread... } – May 07, 4:02 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { JSS&G, I appreciate your expression regarding the subtle change of wording which creates the illusion of an "Us" and "Them" that supposedly gives credence to... } – May 07, 3:40 PM
  • User Avatargreg (Bible Student) { I'm very saddened and profoundly troubled by the many tragic events that stimulate deep pain, suffering, and residual damage for so many persons. I'm also... } – May 07, 1:53 PM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { Gregg.....May I add one more. Blatant mistranslation of John 10:28 "..........ALL ......in the graves.....shall come forth.." not "all sorts" in the "memorial tombs". "Memorial tomb"... } – May 07, 12:55 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Greg the A&E was advertised on a channel when I was down south and I put it on my calendar. So we will have to... } – May 07, 12:42 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Ted I agree, because they have to shunn relatives because they left, yet they can be with relatives that are into everything, some very bad.... } – May 07, 12:09 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { JustSSG, my father left 9 children all under 18 yrs down to 2 yrs. They told us because he died disfellowshipped and refused to let... } – May 07, 10:19 AM
  • User AvatarTed R. (Bible Student) { I agree. The Bible Students are not an organization, but a fellowship of like minded Brothers and Sisters. Our study of the Bible causes us... } – May 07, 7:08 AM
  • User Avatartraveler { Just checked mail Brandon. We did not get a mail from you. I see that auto fill used a mistype from the past. So this... } – May 06, 8:26 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Traveler if you want to contact AnonCJ. Post your email address please Also I think Brandon gave you his and he does read your comments... } – May 06, 8:19 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Thank you for getting the site back on track with helping and exposing these injustices. I am traveling today but will go look at all... } – May 06, 5:09 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Yes JSS&Good, I attended out class reunion for our 70th birthdays and a college graduation by a niece. The Christian liberty I have also allows... } – May 06, 9:45 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Stay Sweet and Good, hi! Yes, Jacqueline does speak pure poetry! I really hope she's right. The wonders we're discovering now just think of what... } – May 06, 1:35 AM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { Jacqueline.......you speak with pure poetry. Your love shows } – May 05, 5:59 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Nubby Tope, she saw possibilities as she hurled through space. She bowed in humble awe to him as she saw the lights of the poles,... } – May 05, 4:29 PM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { When I was a kid I dreamed of being an astronaut! After God makes our Earth a Paradise I wonder if He'll ever terraform Mars?... } – May 05, 3:35 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Either way I won’t be back on here. Have a great night } – May 05, 2:20 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Considering you stated before they were long and he should keep them short } – May 05, 2:14 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { Traveler, thanks for the Civility in your replies. You have never offended me. } – May 05, 1:24 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Yes. We all appreciate a good Watchtower click and paste rather than thinking for yourself. See you haven’t broken totally free. Keep trying. } – May 05, 12:43 PM
  • User AvatarAnon JC { Haha you’re trying to insult me. Haha. Nice attempt though. And lack of progress?. . Spiritual progress is all I care about. Not what you... } – May 05, 12:42 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline (Bible Student) { I am sitting in Birmingham, Al listening to the first Black female astronaut to go into outerspace. Dr. Mae C Jemison has us spellbound describing... } – May 05, 12:29 PM
  • User Avatartraveler { Hi again Anon, we've missed your patient and quiet style. We don't remember directing any statement directly towards anyone except Jacqueline. We do appreciate your... } – May 05, 12:12 PM
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72 comments to Latest Comments Digest

  • Anonymous

    Jehovah Witness has destroyed my life and the lives of my family. They act so saints ominous in front of others when the are no better than those they reguard as WORLDLY. They have their own little clicks. Money seems to make a difference in how your treated and accepted. They are liars. They are controll freaks, they try to take over and run your life. They are NARCISSIST.

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Hi anonymous, I can almost feel your heart bleeding by your brief descriptive and accurate words. I dont know all your details but any one of the thousands on this website could have written the exact words. They, I have to believe are under the direct influence if satan. My reason for saying this is they are like him, destruction of family is what he did in Eden and afterwards. Consider Job becaused Job loved God and God loved him, satan hit his family right off the bat. God must love you too for him to use what he knows works against lovers of Jehovah and Jesus, destroying your family. GOD is listening and governments are moving against that governing body system. Until you get relief you are welcome here with us and you can talk, we will listen and help you.
      What happenned

    • Marjo

      Hello you are right about that money has shown important role if you wanted to make friends with JW’s. All of them weren’t into money, but when it came to young witnesses, their hobbies were expensive and they chose their friens like, whom had enough money to follow them. Some of them drove with BMW’s and Mercedes. Things what they own, show what they are inside.

  • Richard

    Struggle somewhat with “all” being resurrected… there have been, and still are, evil people who existed, and continue to exist in these last days. So when they are resurrected will they return with their violent ways, and will they continue to be a threat to us followers of Christ?

    • greg (Bible Student)

      Richard,

      Ah, yes indeed, an excellent question. Those resurrected will still have the same mind and heart as when they died.

      Though Isaiah 11:6-9 speaks of animals, I conclude that this passage is pictorial of the animalistic tendencies within persons because verse 9 speaks of nothing and no one causing harm or ruin because the earth is filled with the knowledge of Jehovah. I’m thinking it will people, not animals that will have this knowledge (appreciation).

      (from RVIC)

      6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
      7 And the cow and the bear shall feed together; and their young ones shall lie down; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
      8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den.
      9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

      Moreover, one of the many hats Jesus will hear has the title “Prince of Peace,” and surely, if he could quiet the raging sea and wind, and heal the ear of the soldier that Peter cut off, he can certainly use his power to restrain the attempts to harm others.

      There are several discussions on this subject found within the Studies in the Scriptures, such as on page 217 in volume 1, and many other references listed in the Expanded Biblical Comments. I recall reading one expression that made sense with my own experience, and though I can’t locate the exact page and paragraph at the moment, it said that in contrast to how Ecclesiastes 8:11 speaks of the way things are presently, where a person can act in a harmful way with no immediate consequences, and thus no immediate awareness of how that “bad act” is actually harmful to them as well, in the Kingdom, there will be immediate feedback that will “teach” people that they are really only hurting themselves when they try to hurt others.

      -greg

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Richard people sin differently. Jesus came to save sinners. The sick. Some of us without influence would by nature practice good but without a redeemer of Adam we might as well have been bad. Al Capone loved to plant flowers and gave to charities. I wonder what changed him? Greed, bad breaks? This helps me grasp that some very bad sinners had something bad happen to change them. I don’t know if you see what I am saying but Jesus ransomed Adam thus ALL men. We all fall short but differently. A gossiper or liar destroys many lives. Even sending the wrong person to prison and he dies by someone else’s hand. A murderer takes one life. Which is the worse sinner? Sin is sin. They both brings death and redemption pays it’s price for All.

      • greg (Bible Student)

        Jacqueline,

        Your comment inspires me to write a lengthy novel on my learnings that mirror and evidence the same conclusions as you make.

        Put simply, we are all, each and every one of us made in God’s image. And all God’s works are perfect–even in that they can become damaged. God’s qualities are thus imbued in us from even before we are conceived. And our unbroken nature tends towards compassion and love and giving.

        It is our environment, our cultural programming, and the evil things that have happened to us that damage some of us so severely that we begin to imagine it as impossible to meet our own needs without ignoring (and often trampling on) the needs of another. When this happens in a person, they become broken–not evil. They may DO evil henceforth, but they are broken, disconnected from life.

        It is an extremely rare thing to find someone truly evil. I can think of only one or two names that MIGHT possibly be considered “evil”, but even with these one’s, I cannot help but wonder, what HAPPENED to them?

        In my experience, people do well IF THEY CAN. People WANT to do well. People STRIVE to learn, and grow, and improve–IF THEY CAN. I see The Peaceful Kingdom providing all the healing and nurturing conditions conducive for all people to do well.

        I have seen so much evidence of this in my own experience. And I know of many other noteable names that have expressed similar experiences.

        True, not everyone is able to see the world this way–at least not at first. But that seems to me to be precisely part of the machine (Satan’s design) that creates such enemy images of persons in the first place. And then it’s only a small step to the side to start behaving in ways considered evil.

        I’d really like to quote two people that greatly influenced my life, learning, and growth over the years.

        Carl Rogers wrote in his book “On Becoming a Person” (pages 26, 27):

        (begin quote)
        There is one deep learning which is perhaps basic to all of the things I have said thus far. It has been forced upon me by more than twenty-five years of trying to be helpful to individuals in personal distress. It is simply this. It has been my experience that persons have a basically positive direction. In my deepest contacts with individuals in therapy, even those whose troubles are most disturbing, whose behavior has been most anti-social, whose feelings seem most abnormal, I find this to be true. When I can sensitively understand the feelings which they are expressing, when I am able to accept them as separate persons in their own right, then I find that they tend to move in certain directions. And what are these directions in which they tend to move? The words which I believe are most truly descriptive are words such as positive, constructive, moving toward self-actualization, growing toward maturity, growing toward socialization. I have come to feel that the more fully the individual is understood and accepted, the more he tends to drop the false fronts with which he has been meeting life, and the more he tends to move in a direction which is forward.

        I would not want to be misunderstood on this. I do not have a Pollyanna view of human nature. I am quite aware that out of defensiveness and inner fear individuals can and do behave in ways which are incredibly cruel, horribly destructive, immature, regressive, anti-social, hurtful. Yet one of the most refreshing and invigorating parts of my experience is to work with such individuals and to discover the strongly positive directional tendencies which exist in them, as in all of us, at the deepest levels.
        (end quote)

        Marshall Rosenberg wrote in his book “Nonviolent Communication – A Language of Life” (page 162):

        (begin quote)
        The assumption behind the protective use of force is that people behave in ways injurious to themselves and others due to some form of ignorance. The corrective process is therefore one of education, not punishment. Ignorance includes (a) a lack of awareness of the consequences of our actions, (b) an inability to see how our needs may be met without injury to others, (c) the belief that we have the “right” to punish or hurt others because they “deserve” it, and (d) delusional thinking that involves, for example, hearing a “voice” that instructs us to kill someone.

        Punitive action, on the other hand, is based on the assumption that people commit offenses because they are bad or evil, and to correct the situation, they need to be made to repent. Their “correction” is undertaken through punitive action designed to make them (1) suffer enough to see the error of their ways, (2) repent, and (3) change. In practice, however, punitive action, rather than evoking repentance and learning, is just as likely to generate resentment and hostility and to reinforce resistance to the very behavior we are seeking.
        (end quote)

        I can affirm without reservation, that both these expressions have been equally true (and equally surprising at first) in my experience also. And yes, I echo Carl when I admit truthfully that this view was rather “forced upon me” by my own experience as well.

        Did I mention how much I enjoyed Br. Rick Suraci’s discourse “A boy and His Uncle” from this year’s convention?

        “Small Steps. Read Pages. Chickens can’t burp.”

        -greg

        • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

          Greg, I think Jehovah knows this about human nature that even the evilest person can change and many will. Some will change and when satan is loosed, they will with full knowledge choose as he did to go against God. But when we hear what happened in youth to some of the molesters we will have compassion and help them heal as well as their victims. This is a job ahead of us all as we learn from Christ. I can’t judge a person now because like you I have heard of some of the vile things done to children who are now adults on my table telling the story.
          While we are talking, let me hit a controversial subject that ignited a storm on facebook with many a “Christian”. It is the Gay community and I will tell only one story that totally shook me to my core.
          Late one night it was snowing hard and we were advised by the DOT not to shut down our shops until the truck drivers got off the highways and were okay. (My business was at flying J service center at crossroads of America., Dr. haircuts etc)
          A person walked in and I wasn’t sure how to address them but proceeded without saying he or she.
          When I had the person flat on their back with hairline showing and all (I am also a licensed cosmetologist) I knew this was a she. the cheekbones, neck gorgeous hair and we talked about the same things and loved it.
          This person cried and said I like you, you are so kind to me. He said what do you think my gender is? I said beyond a shadow of a doubt you are female but yet I also see male in a strange way, plus your dress is distinctly male. So I said do you want to talk about it? Yes. The story and my exam and observation convinced me that there is some hormonal mixup in the womb, maybe because of chemicals in our food, our additive air but this was my second person that I can attest they are neither male nor female but somewhere in between. The other person was a witness brother that choose the male gender because the society GB) said he should try to chose one and stick to it. This person and I became friends that night and I told him about the kingdom and how the suffering would end and all mankind would be made whole. She dressed as a male to be able to fight and keep peace near her. He was both but he was a female. I am not talking about your promiscuous individuals having a good time but there is something wrong with the gene pool now. I have seen many case files on this.
          That is why I don’t be judging people. I have to leave that up to God and just do what he told us to do, preach, teach and baptize in the name of the Father and Son.
          All judging has been put into his hands. I just feel sorry for the people who as a child was hardened and turned into an animal. Just had to get that out there. We have a diverse audience.

          • greg (Bible Student)

            Jacqueline, and all others who might be reading,

            Thank you so very sincerely for sharing this with all of us.

            This story touches me so deeply, so profoundly. I cannot say in words how thankful I am to you for sharing it. Now I don’t have to try and share similar stories from my encounters with persons who have been unfairly judged, condemned, shunned, and mistreated over the years. I really do weep tears for the secret shames, the hidden fears, the loss of anything resembling normality, and the traumatic fallout that so many persons who have been broken and damaged face and endure every day. For those who manage to endure, I hope and pray they also manage to find moments of relief, and possibly even joy. For those who make their own relief because they cannot endure any longer, I long for the day I can welcome them back and support them as they work to heal and recover their dignity, their humanity, their hopes, and their lost opportunities.

            Won’t it be wonderful to meet and discover the person they could have been, the person God actually intended for them to be able to grow to be?

            -greg

    • Richard Tazzyman

      Hello Richard,The comments given to you are all very worthwhile.The other thing we need to consider is that Satan & his wicked angels have been bound for a thousand years,Christ is in controll for a thousand years.So Satan has no more influence over Mankind during this time!And the Mighty God( Not the Almighty,Jehovah)Jesus will have the power,Influence to controll mankind,Remember the Scriptures tell Us that they will not cause any Harm in my holy mountain,& if we ask why,the answer is “Because the earth will cetainly be filled with the Knoweldge of Jehovah”!

  • Prodigal

    Anonymous CJ, Thank you for your feed back. But I’m not clear where we are disagree, so help me here, let me analysis your comments.

    We are not disagree, that there is a sin against the Holy spirit. Are we?

    We not disagreeing about Jesus aplication of his ransome sacrifice, (whats covered and whats not covered). Are we?

    But I’m confused; What make you think that I’m not in agreement or disagreeing with your comments.

    I never stated that; “only the anointed poseses the Holy spirit” I quoted the scriptures and what Jesus said on the matter. I just presented my compilation of the scriptures. No opinions!

    I don’t know what scriptural basis you have for this comment: “Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it”. But I will entertain your scriptual findings.

    But please point out your disagreement?

    From the congregation of Ephesus

  • Prodigal

    Prodigal,

    Matt. 26:24 woe to that man through whom the son of man is betrayed, it would have been better for that man if he had not been born, Why?

    This is Jesus’s conclusion, explaining it to Pontius Pilate, about His sacrifice and what is true,
    John 18:37b everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.

    The law prescribe,
    Deuteronomy 27:25 “cursed is the one who accept a bribe to kill an innocent person” … Amen!

    John 19:11b this is why the man who handed me over to you have “greater sin”

    Jesus Himself said in Matthew 12:31, 32 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.” vs 32; For example whoever speaks a word against the son of man it will be forgiven him but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him, No! not in this system of things nor in that to come.

    Jesus explaining to the scribe, “The unforgivable sin”, and elaborate on this point.
    Mark 3:28,29 truly I say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men no matter what the sin they commit and what blaspheming they speak but whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin.

    In another passage, Jesus talking to his Holy Father in a prayer,
    Jn 17:12 when I was with them I used to watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me and I have protected them and not one of them is destroyed except the son of Destruction, “so that the scriptures might be fulfilled”.

    Who is the son of Destruction (mentioned by Jesus) so the scriptures may be fulfilled? “Whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin”.

    There are three known, scriptural sinners, that have sin against the Holy Spirit and is mention in the Bible;

    Judas Iscariot is the first, please call to mind that this particular sin was foretold or prophesied.

    Let me try to use a more modern approach, some of us who have a life policy, known as life insurance policy to protect or cover our benefactors. However all insurance policies have limitations. So those, Jesus ransom sacrifice it’s like a life policy, it has what’s covered and what’s not covered on the policy, technically known as inclusions and exclusions.

    Jesus’s live policy; also has inclusion and exclusion, Truly I say to you… Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever!

    • Anonymous CJ

      Prodigal.,
      Thank you for your comment. However we must disagree. The only unforgivable sin is sin against the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:28-30). Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it. The world of mankind doesn’t not have the Holy Spirit to sin against. Let’s take an example. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe they Sodom will not be resurrected. However lets take a look at what the Bible has to say.

      “Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.” – Matthew 10:15

      If Sodom is not to be ressurected please explain what will be more bearable for them in a day of Judgement that they will not be in!!!!!

      The Bible guarantees a resurrection for everyone.
      “As in Adam all are dying as so in the Christ ask shall be made alive.”
      1 Cor 15:22

      We are currently in the Gospel Age (Christian portion of this system of things) which opened when Christ came and will be open until the 144,000 is complete. Nowhere does the Bible show that anyone other than the spirit anointed can go into second death. The world of mankind cannot blaspheme against what they do not have. The only time the world of mankind will go into second death is at the end of the 1000 years when Satan is let out.

  • greg (Bible Student)

    Hi Peter and/or Jacqueline.

    I tried to reply to this twice now and neither instance showed up. Did I perhaps trigger the spam filters again?

    If my reply attempts can be still retrieved, can you post only the second one, please? I tweaked it a bit more while I was waiting to see if the first attempt showed up.

    Thanks so much.
    -greg

  • greg (Bible Student)

    (Something unexpected happened when I clicked “Post Comment” so I hope this doesn’t show up twice, despite the fact that I checked and waited to see if it actually went through the after first attempt.)

    Hi Lee Anthony.

    I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

    I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

    Brother Russell seems to have indicated his belief that Judas would probably not have any hope of a resurrection. He says, “[Judas] sinned against great light; there is no hope for him in a future life.” And yet he also says, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.” You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

    I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

    Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

    If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

    But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

    And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

    So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

    Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain undecided and unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty. I accept that I do not KNOW for sure, and I don’t find that I absolutely MUST KNOW. Rather, I find myself in total agreement with the words that Brother Russell said, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.”

    How does this sit for you, Lee?
    -greg

  • Lee Anthony

    Hello,
    I have a question about a verse I was just reading (that I have never heard an explanation of) and i have never really thought about before… In (matt. 26:24) Jesus says “woe to the man who betrays the son of man it would be better for him if he had not been born” What is Jesus saying about Judas and it being better not to be born?? It almost seems that he was talking about the way of death cause in 1st part of verse it says “son of man will go just as it is written” yet i thought that somewhere it says jesus was to suffer more than anyone else…Any thoughts?

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Lee Anthony: Thank you for a very interesting question. Let’s take a look at the verse you are citing.

      Matthew 26:24 (NKJV)”The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

      Okay. So Jesus says it is better if Judas had never been born. Never existed? No. A stillborn child / miscarriage is a child that existed it the womb, but never left the womb alive. In that case, Judas could have been resurrected in the Kingdom with a clean slate and a full opportunity for life.

      Job describes the condition of both the child that dies at birth and also the stillborn child who dies in the womb. In both cases, they are said to be sleeping in death with the great people who died before them. These too will be resurrected to the paradise earth kingdom in the future.

      Job 3:11-19 (ESV) “11 Why did I not die at birth,
      come out from the womb and expire?
      12 Why did the knees receive me?
      Or why the breasts, that I should nurse?
      13 For then I would have lain down and been quiet;
      I would have slept; then I would have been at rest,
      14 with kings and counselors of the earth
      who rebuilt ruins for themselves,
      15 or with princes who had gold,
      who filled their houses with silver.
      16 Or why was I not as a hidden stillborn child,
      as infants who never see the light?
      17 There the wicked cease from troubling,
      and there the weary are at rest.
      18 There the prisoners are at ease together;
      they hear not the voice of the taskmaster.
      19 The small and the great are there,
      and the slave is free from his master.”

      We would love to here more from you on this or any other topic.

      • Lee Anthony

        Peter K.
        Thanks for response. Still a little confused on Judas… Is the implication then that he will still have a resurrection? (John 5:28) does say all in the graves will rise so this does of course make sense..

        • greg (Bible Student)

          Hi Lee Anthony.

          I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

          I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

          Brother Russell indicated his belief that Judas would not have any hope of a resurrection. You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

          I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

          Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

          If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

          But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

          And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

          So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

          Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty.

          How does this sit for you, Lee?
          -greg

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Lee Anthony – Greg’s reply helps to illustrate that Bible Students are not united on whether or not Judas will come back in the resurrected. One point of view is that Judas was a special case and a special exception to the Ransom since he had such a close relationship directly with Jesus for 3 1/2 years. If Judas is resurrected he will have to face all mankind in shame and demonstrate real repentance. You can find a debate on the question of whether Judas died the second death here:

          http://bibleresources.info/audio-hymns/audio-sermons/
          Search for the topic below:
          Did Judas Die the Second Death?
          Bill Dutka & Michael Nekora – General Convention 2007

          • Lee Anthony

            Peter and Greg,
            Thanks for insight. This is enough to satisfy my curiosities about the subject, I really have noone to discuss such things with in detail, a jw would just pull up a wt article as an explanation. I find that I dont need an explaination of everything in black and white since that knowledge specifically will not lead me unto life, I believe only Jesus can do that. (john 14:6) However, I will certainly listen to the debate on the matter. Thanks for the link. Study of the scriptures and discussion of that with others is a nice relief from the normal ( we know all attitude of the kingdom hall meetings). Thanks.

            • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

              Lee Anthony hello, I believe Jesus died for all fallen man including his betrayed on that night. They killed him not Judas. The decision was made in Genesis that it was between Satan and her seed not Judas.
              His death before Christ was a loss of being a foundation floor for the kingdom, one of the twelve.
              Could it be Jesus uttered a prophecy about his attitude in the Millennium maybe by saying son of destruction?
              I don’t know but I have faith God will be just for many did much more to our Lord than Judas. Lots could identify Jesus if they had waited until day for he preached openly. I think there is something deeper maybe about Judas as God knows the End to the Beginning on who we will be by choice. Just my two cents worth.

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