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  • User Avatarian j howat { thanks for reply yes you have reminded me of what i read in divine plan of the ages .i have the book kindly sent for... } – Nov 13, 12:23 PM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Thank you Ian for a very open and honest perspective of the Jehovah's Witness interpretation that only 144,000 individuals being given a heavenly reward. I... } – Nov 13, 11:24 AM
  • User Avatarian j howat { i believe that there are true christians in many church groups and some who do not belong to any church group..after much thought it makes... } – Nov 13, 11:04 AM
  • User AvatarTempleBBQ { In modern times David Wilcock demonstrates a 1914 date arrival from the Giza pyramid. He is a new age type of alien theorist and the... } – Nov 10, 6:19 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Jeff,Have Given him you Contact Details.Also Any one who is Interested we have our New Sydney Australia Convention coming up on the 8/10 March... } – Nov 06, 11:18 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Have Given him your contact Details,Christian Love,Bro Richard } – Nov 06, 11:15 PM
  • User AvatarTed R (Bible Student) { Feel free to have him contact me. My email is tedrat46@hotmail.com } – Nov 06, 1:02 PM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Richard, You should give this XJW Collector my email address. I can share with him the nearly 30gb database of Bible Student material I've scanned.... } – Nov 06, 6:06 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Any one seen this? What are your opinions please? www.newsystemschool.org } – Nov 05, 12:05 PM
  • User AvatarTempleBBQ { FYI on JW Russia=KN error from the USSR=KN error. God was not wasting Daniel's time, that is why Daniel 11:1-26 eventually led to the Christ... } – Oct 31, 3:01 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Yes is it there. It’s not a quote from Russell though. It’s under the heading “Devil’s Also Believed”. It’s showing that these things are believed... } – Oct 31, 4:29 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Thats okay Nubby,We also have another ex JW who will be getting conscecrated at our Sydney,NSW Convention in March of 2019.We also have another ex... } – Oct 30, 6:48 PM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Hi Richard, No thanks, its OK about the book you mentioned, thanks for offering though. I feel I've read enough WT stuff for one lifetime!... } – Oct 30, 9:31 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Bro Ted,We have a newly Consecrated Bro In Australia(Ex JW) who also Collects very early Bible student Material,Including Books,Booklets & Watchtowers.I am sure he would... } – Oct 29, 8:03 PM
  • User AvatarTed R (Bible Student) { I have almost every book and booklet the Society ever printed } – Oct 29, 7:54 PM
  • User AvatarDavid A { Homesexuality is a choice! Just like one chooses to commit fornication, adultery or beastality. People may have certain desires, but they choose to act on... } – Oct 29, 6:04 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Ted,Do you Mean the book"Your Will Be Done"? On page 279 it states that from the time that Russia ,Under the communists,seized power in... } – Oct 29, 5:47 PM
  • User AvatarTed R (Bible Student) { I have the book in my library. } – Oct 29, 1:58 PM
  • User AvatarTempleBBQ { https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/ There are many KN threads there at redditxjw since this last GB fraud announcement, btw. } – Oct 28, 8:09 PM
  • User AvatarTempleBBQ { KN was USSR to JWs up to circa 1958-1990. Recently, the GB is re-framing Russia as KN at their last annual meeting. Many JWs are... } – Oct 28, 8:08 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Nobby,Do you mean on the Subject about the King of the North(Russia according to JWs in the late 1950s to late sixties)?Richard } – Oct 28, 3:27 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Hi Richard, That book came out the year I was born! I'll be 60 next month! I remember my Dad having a copy of this.... } – Oct 28, 2:59 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello NT,Just wanted to let you know I have been able to Source a copy of Your Will be Done on Earth,1958.Richard } – Oct 28, 12:11 AM
  • User AvatarTempleBBQ { Exactly, they are bringing it on JWs on purpose as a "self fulfilling prophecy", to cloak the WTBTS downfall coming up. The global context that... } – Oct 27, 9:52 PM
  • User AvatarTempleBBQ { The globalization system is run by a private global array of corporate power who controls the wealth of the world progressively, manage the credit and... } – Oct 27, 9:46 PM
  • User AvatarShannon { Bro Peter here's my email address for link you send shannonpetty36@gmail.com } – Oct 27, 9:38 AM
  • User AvatarShannon { Hi bro Peter this is Shannon can you send me link for Sunday meeting } – Oct 27, 9:35 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Hi there TempleBBQ, Can I ask you on what do you base the idea that GB are agents of King North? I see in that... } – Oct 27, 3:19 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { My Dear Bro Richard, Thanks for clearing that up; I can breathe easy now! } – Oct 27, 3:12 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello,Bro NT,The article referd to in October 1st 1905, Is not a quote From Bro Russell,But a quote from a a person called Sterling Heilig.... } – Oct 26, 8:54 PM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Just seen a thing on YouTube that page 29 said The Watchtower of October 1905 page 293 that Russell gives credit to well known astrologers... } – Oct 26, 6:14 PM
  • User AvatarDionys { Greetings in Christ, I am Dionysius, Dionys for short. It's a pleasure seeing more brethren within the organization in a spiritually awakened state. I am... } – Oct 24, 11:03 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { 😁 } – Oct 20, 7:33 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Sweet - Thanks. Nice of you to make that offer and maybe someone would like to do so. } – Oct 20, 6:37 AM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { Peter......My house is open to anybody who wants to study the volumnes..I am here in So California but I don't know anyone who would want... } – Oct 19, 8:58 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Chris, I am surprised more former JWs don't get together to form Bible Study groups. Bible Students would be glad to supply study materials at... } – Oct 19, 4:00 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Napthali - Thanks for your participation on our site. If you plan on listening to talks, a couple of former JWS you might enjoy hearing... } – Oct 19, 3:51 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Naphtali, “Chris Johns, where should the millions of Witnesses who are not called go? Can the Bible Students care for them all? Can they care... } – Oct 18, 5:16 PM
  • User Avatar { They are a set of confused people. Truth does not change. It remains the same from day one to time indefinite and it needs no... } – Oct 18, 1:57 PM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { Dear Brother Chris Johns, I am very happy for you. Truly, what more can we want for our brothers than that they have peace with... } – Oct 18, 10:30 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Nathtali, As you know, Bible Students and JWs do have beliefs in common like the earthly kingdom (Paradise Earth) and the errors of hell, trinity... } – Oct 18, 6:17 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Chris - I enjoyed reading your answer. } – Oct 18, 6:01 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Naphtali, It would not be a fair comparison to draw an equivalence between - a controlling organization that can bring harsh consequences to dissenters -... } – Oct 18, 5:55 AM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { Chris......It seems your journey was much like mine.......Boredom can really get to you when you hear the same platitudes repeated over and over again. Bro... } – Oct 17, 10:07 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Naphtali, As Bible Students if someone came in and tried to get us to sway from Pastor Russell we don’t hold a meeting and get... } – Oct 17, 8:05 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Naphtali. That’s what makes JWs a false religion. Millions aren’t being called to an earthly hope because Jesus never offered an earthly hope to anyone.... } – Oct 17, 7:54 PM
  • User AvatarNathtali { Another fine article, "How Do We Resolve Conflict?" How can conflict between Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses be resolved? What would Christ say? We are... } – Oct 17, 5:35 PM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { Introduction to above article: "There are few subjects closer to the Christian’s heart than that of prayer. In times of distress it is his lifeline.... } – Oct 17, 11:08 AM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { Hello Just Stay Sweet and Good, "The cross is not a salvation issue…..He did died for the sins of ALL of mankind is the bottom... } – Oct 17, 10:49 AM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { Hi Chris Johns, Appreciate your reply. I was called and received spirit anointing as a JW. God calls us to different works. Some to the... } – Oct 17, 10:29 AM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { Hello Peter K, "NaphtalI – You quoted Matt 10:17 “they will scourge YOU in their synagogues.” Do you feel safe that this would not happen... } – Oct 17, 9:50 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Hi Chris, This is amazing what you've written here! You were of the "Anointed" when in JWs? When I was growing up as a JW,... } – Oct 17, 3:58 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Naphtali, Greetings. I too was a member of the “anointed” in the JWs. I knew I was being called at age 26. Just as in... } – Oct 16, 5:52 PM
  • User AvatarTempleBBQ { That is a good point, I feel their takeover-coup was a sign of the "Korah" led apostasy of modern JWs. Since then in 1976 is... } – Oct 16, 5:03 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { NaphtalI - You quoted Matt 10:17 "they will scourge YOU in their synagogues.” Do you feel safe that this would not happen to you in... } – Oct 16, 2:55 PM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { Hello Just Stay Sweet and Good, Mat 9:36 Seeing the people, He felt compassion for them, because they were distressed and dispirited like sheep without... } – Oct 16, 10:44 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { This verse may be of interest. Colossians 2:16-17 (EBR) "16 ¶ Let no one, therefore, be judging, you,--in eating and in drinking, or in respect... } – Oct 16, 7:16 AM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { The cross is not a salvation issue.....He did died for the sins of ALL of mankind is the bottom line } – Oct 15, 10:33 PM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { Naphli.......The bottom line here is, is it appropriate to pair anyone or any organization on the same level as Jesus and his disciples? Personally I... } – Oct 15, 10:31 PM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { Thanks for making this recording available. Sister Sumdbom's enthusiasm is contagious and her detailed reporting was terrific. She lived a worthwhile life. Thanks again. Naphtali } – Oct 15, 7:55 PM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { The Watchtower is incorrect with their insistence that Jesus did not die on a stake with a crossbeam. Naphtali } – Oct 15, 12:41 PM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { I wrote the above as a reproof of the Governing Body's voting method. If all on the Governing Body are anointed then all should be... } – Oct 15, 12:14 PM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { Hello again Friend, There are a number of mistaken assumptions about me in your reply but that's okay. You do not know me so no... } – Oct 15, 11:44 AM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { Naphtali..........there is a difference between and Peacekeeper and a Peacemaker. Jesus said happy are the Peacemakers. Peacekeeper's just do anything to avoid confrontation when they... } – Oct 15, 10:53 AM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { Hello Friend, You wrote: "If you don’t speak out against evil your a party to it." Following Christ's example, I speak out when it is... } – Oct 15, 8:51 AM
  • User AvatarDeva Sudan { Greetings & Shalom! in the Name of Jesus Christ The Great work done by brother Todd Alexander and Benjamin Stein. May the Lord bless your... } – Oct 15, 3:54 AM
  • User AvatarJust Stay Sweet and Good { Naphtali......I agree, we are to love anyone who truly a footstep follower of our Lord and Savior. One thing Jesus was not timid about was... } – Oct 14, 10:56 PM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { Gene......I seem to favor the abomination that cause desolation was the total control the papacy accquiered in AD 539 when the demanded that they and... } – Oct 14, 10:48 PM
  • User Avatarjust Stay Sweet and Good { Ted....I've often thought that if people enjoy honoring our saviors birth once a year, a compromise could be offered.......just do not it on the Winter... } – Oct 14, 10:40 PM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { The anointed on One with Christ. The spirit of God does not exist divided. The anointed of God are not divided. They are one by... } – Oct 14, 9:45 PM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { My neighbor, my brother or sister, is the one sitting nearby me at the meeting. If I am to love a Samaritan so must I... } – Oct 14, 9:13 PM
  • User AvatarGene Balthrop { I believe ANTHONY Buzzard is wrong, the abomination of desolation has already taken place, it occurred in 70 Ad WHEN he prince (Titus) the son... } – Oct 14, 4:35 PM
  • User AvatarNaphtali { Hello Friends, What a joy to be able to speak freely whether here or on other Christian forums. Christ never stopped his disciples (or his... } – Oct 14, 3:58 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Chris,That is our freedom in Christ.As long as you feel comfortable in doing so that is your choice,Just as it is Mine not to celebrate!It... } – Oct 14, 8:03 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { For me I think that why is it that just because pagans invented something means we cannot use it? I love celebrating Christmas. } – Oct 14, 5:18 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Bro Ted,Typo Correction,I DO NOT CELEBRATE BITHDAYS,Sorry for the error.Christian Love,as always,Bro Richard. } – Oct 13, 4:47 PM
  • User AvatarTed R (Bible Student) { That was exactly the point I wanted to make. } – Oct 13, 10:58 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Brother Richard - We appreciate the Christian Liberty Jesus has given us. This allows us to honestly study the Bible without fear of punishment from... } – Oct 13, 6:58 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Bro Ted,Yes you are right in that fact about the earlyChurch not celebrating birthdays,as well as not joining any army to fight for wordly... } – Oct 13, 6:28 AM
  • User AvatarTed R (Bible Student) { I was doing some research into the history of Birthday celebrations and found this article: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/11/history-of-birthdays_n_4227366.html I found it interesting that the early Christians, according... } – Oct 13, 6:06 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { How right you are Bro Peter,The Most high& his Son were behind the split.The Seventh(Last Messenger) Messenger had passed the Veil. Now the sifting had... } – Oct 12, 6:46 PM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Yes Richard, I remember the Paradise book but here in UK it was orange! Never mind, but what I recall from it was the picture... } – Oct 12, 5:40 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { George, The last thing the Governing Body and JW Organization would want to do is bring Bible Students to court over publishing rights. This would... } – Oct 11, 6:41 AM
  • User AvatarGeorge Sanders { Thanks Peter for the update. Perhaps i might ask it a different way. Obviously in 1935 Rutherford split off forming the JW's. But as far... } – Oct 11, 2:52 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Yes,Nubby it was heavy going,but very Interesting.Do you remember the large Pink Coloured Book-Paradise Lost-To Parasise regained?You probably studied it during your youth.Richard.Bible Student,Australia. } – Oct 10, 6:49 PM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Hi Richard, I was born in 1958 when that book came out and its the first book I remember! Then as a kid we did... } – Oct 10, 11:33 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Just Remembered the books title,It was ''YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH,& was printed in 1958( I was 9 years old,It was the same year... } – Oct 09, 9:12 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello,JSW&Good.We also thought that the WTB&TS WERE GODS Chanel.This book(I cannot remember its name)Was Green in Colour & I was about 7 or 8 when... } – Oct 09, 7:34 PM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Just remembered 1 thing from the review - apparently the GB say that because the moon landings didn't bring praise to Jehovah because the spacecrafts... } – Oct 09, 11:58 AM
  • User AvatarJust Stay Sweet and Good { Richard....Adams Clarks comentary on Daniel 11th chapter sugjested the King of the North was Russia when the turks (Ottoman Empire) were in decline almost two... } – Oct 09, 10:57 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Me again! I've just seen John Cedars youtube channel and there is a review of Annual Meeting there. He and 3 others gave a good... } – Oct 09, 7:29 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Bro NT,This Understanding about the king of the North(Russia)& King of the South(Anglo/America) was around in the JW Study Books in the early 60s.We... } – Oct 08, 9:33 PM
  • User AvatarTempleBBQ { Yes now he that scatters is for us (Matt24:15)-- but you are correct people must use their own "discernment". Scattering is OK for those who... } – Oct 08, 2:53 PM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Hi Jacqueline, I heard that at the Annual Meeting yesterday a new brochure is coming out about Russia being King of the North and USA/UK... } – Oct 08, 2:13 PM
  • User AvatarJacqueline { TempleBBQ, hello thanks very much for your imput. I watched and read your post but we never got the chance to meet in the 8... } – Oct 07, 8:02 PM
  • User AvatarTempleBBQ { Hello Sister Jacqueline, I would like to tell you something I think will be helpful, possibly, for your site which has to do with the... } – Oct 07, 7:14 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { We are excited together about the new "Ask Jacqueline." website which is intended to be a another fear free zone to help people dealing with... } – Oct 06, 9:26 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline { Thanks Nubby Tope, Leah Remini will have a new show that will feature witnesses this fall/winter so hopefully we can be of help to them.... } – Oct 06, 7:38 AM
  • User AvatarNubby Tope { Hi Jacqueline, Yes I thought that was you too! I must look at your new site and see what its like. Thanks for your words... } – Oct 06, 6:57 AM
  • User AvatarJacqueline { Yes that is me Christopher. I forgot some people on the big email so I sent out the smaller one that you were on. The... } – Oct 05, 6:59 PM
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75 comments to Latest Comments Digest

  • just Stay Sweet and Good

    Jacquline..Lovely…………..He certainly was not afraid of those people like I was! Just up and tell them their wrong!
    I was raised never to “talk back”. But the problem with that is, it still festers and shows up in your personality.
    Since we are to cultivate a loving personality, we also need to be able to give “tough love”, not ignoring people
    but confronting people with their rebellions with full permission to them to confront us with out rebellions.

    I got to do some “talking back” yesterday. I had flyers made about Kendrick, who is on the 15 most
    wanted list of the FBI. I handed them out in Starbucks and other places. Got into some great conversations !!!

    People gave me information I would not have otherwise known about. The Palos Verdes area is a “bedroom”. People
    are very wealthily and self satisfied. I had been preaching door to door in that area since 1965 and absolutely no
    interest is JW’s. One lady said that they have been having all kinds of people just coming to theirs doors asking
    for money, or tools to fix their car, or a warm coat or sleeping bags and tents. The householders are very unnerved by this. I do
    know that the Mormons have quit going door to door because of the householders being so afraid of them. I’m
    sure we can read between the lines here. She took my flyer (which tell of his JW history) and said she would xerox
    it and pass it around the area. When I was exiting JW’s i just blurted out “Jehovah’s Witness have worn out their
    welcome. My family were true Christians BEFORE we associated with the WTBS !!’ I think that was a prophecy.
    It is the sisters that are feed up. Now, I know why they said in one of the broadcasts that there is no such thing as
    a prophetess in this period of time. They are forgetting that they educated us very well on that subject. A prophet
    is just someone who REPEATS what Jehovah God has ALREADY SAID. They can be of any sex. It is the pinnacle
    of humiliation to be brought down by a woman, as we learned in the case of Sisera and Jael.. Barabara Anderson
    is truly our modern day Hulda. All Hulda said was “You boys can’t do that” when she referred them the law of God
    they had been ignoring. Your exposing of the people in your area was really shocking to me. I had no idea
    that anything really went on in the org. I do believe that these people should be confronted even today. It is an act of love.

  • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

    Just stay sweet and good, Sis Bonnie Interisano finished her course, she as all knew was with our online study group and opened up our phone conference every Wednesday. She would speak with many before the study and talk on the phone with those who had questions.
    Br. Kandel found the Obit on her father and it is interesting.

    “Br.Carl was associated with Jehovah’s Witnesses for about 10 years then left over disagreement with their teachings….. He finished his course in 1991.For the next 27 years until his death he associated with the Chicago Bs class.”

    Bonnie told us how her mother had heart disease and couldn’t go door to door but this was a huge issue with the witnesses. So she had a background prior to age 11 of being in the witnesses and was a great help to us on the study.
    What I found interesting is how her father way back in 1961 left the organization. I also can remember so many when I was a child in the 1950 and 1960 that left the organization. There was no internet, some wrote books that we didn’t read or hear about until now. So this is just an ongoing problem with this organization, tyranny.

  • Anonymous

    Jehovah Witness has destroyed my life and the lives of my family. They act so saints ominous in front of others when the are no better than those they reguard as WORLDLY. They have their own little clicks. Money seems to make a difference in how your treated and accepted. They are liars. They are controll freaks, they try to take over and run your life. They are NARCISSIST.

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Hi anonymous, I can almost feel your heart bleeding by your brief descriptive and accurate words. I dont know all your details but any one of the thousands on this website could have written the exact words. They, I have to believe are under the direct influence if satan. My reason for saying this is they are like him, destruction of family is what he did in Eden and afterwards. Consider Job becaused Job loved God and God loved him, satan hit his family right off the bat. God must love you too for him to use what he knows works against lovers of Jehovah and Jesus, destroying your family. GOD is listening and governments are moving against that governing body system. Until you get relief you are welcome here with us and you can talk, we will listen and help you.
      What happenned

    • Marjo

      Hello you are right about that money has shown important role if you wanted to make friends with JW’s. All of them weren’t into money, but when it came to young witnesses, their hobbies were expensive and they chose their friens like, whom had enough money to follow them. Some of them drove with BMW’s and Mercedes. Things what they own, show what they are inside.

  • Richard

    Struggle somewhat with “all” being resurrected… there have been, and still are, evil people who existed, and continue to exist in these last days. So when they are resurrected will they return with their violent ways, and will they continue to be a threat to us followers of Christ?

    • greg (Bible Student)

      Richard,

      Ah, yes indeed, an excellent question. Those resurrected will still have the same mind and heart as when they died.

      Though Isaiah 11:6-9 speaks of animals, I conclude that this passage is pictorial of the animalistic tendencies within persons because verse 9 speaks of nothing and no one causing harm or ruin because the earth is filled with the knowledge of Jehovah. I’m thinking it will people, not animals that will have this knowledge (appreciation).

      (from RVIC)

      6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
      7 And the cow and the bear shall feed together; and their young ones shall lie down; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
      8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den.
      9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

      Moreover, one of the many hats Jesus will hear has the title “Prince of Peace,” and surely, if he could quiet the raging sea and wind, and heal the ear of the soldier that Peter cut off, he can certainly use his power to restrain the attempts to harm others.

      There are several discussions on this subject found within the Studies in the Scriptures, such as on page 217 in volume 1, and many other references listed in the Expanded Biblical Comments. I recall reading one expression that made sense with my own experience, and though I can’t locate the exact page and paragraph at the moment, it said that in contrast to how Ecclesiastes 8:11 speaks of the way things are presently, where a person can act in a harmful way with no immediate consequences, and thus no immediate awareness of how that “bad act” is actually harmful to them as well, in the Kingdom, there will be immediate feedback that will “teach” people that they are really only hurting themselves when they try to hurt others.

      -greg

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Richard people sin differently. Jesus came to save sinners. The sick. Some of us without influence would by nature practice good but without a redeemer of Adam we might as well have been bad. Al Capone loved to plant flowers and gave to charities. I wonder what changed him? Greed, bad breaks? This helps me grasp that some very bad sinners had something bad happen to change them. I don’t know if you see what I am saying but Jesus ransomed Adam thus ALL men. We all fall short but differently. A gossiper or liar destroys many lives. Even sending the wrong person to prison and he dies by someone else’s hand. A murderer takes one life. Which is the worse sinner? Sin is sin. They both brings death and redemption pays it’s price for All.

      • greg (Bible Student)

        Jacqueline,

        Your comment inspires me to write a lengthy novel on my learnings that mirror and evidence the same conclusions as you make.

        Put simply, we are all, each and every one of us made in God’s image. And all God’s works are perfect–even in that they can become damaged. God’s qualities are thus imbued in us from even before we are conceived. And our unbroken nature tends towards compassion and love and giving.

        It is our environment, our cultural programming, and the evil things that have happened to us that damage some of us so severely that we begin to imagine it as impossible to meet our own needs without ignoring (and often trampling on) the needs of another. When this happens in a person, they become broken–not evil. They may DO evil henceforth, but they are broken, disconnected from life.

        It is an extremely rare thing to find someone truly evil. I can think of only one or two names that MIGHT possibly be considered “evil”, but even with these one’s, I cannot help but wonder, what HAPPENED to them?

        In my experience, people do well IF THEY CAN. People WANT to do well. People STRIVE to learn, and grow, and improve–IF THEY CAN. I see The Peaceful Kingdom providing all the healing and nurturing conditions conducive for all people to do well.

        I have seen so much evidence of this in my own experience. And I know of many other noteable names that have expressed similar experiences.

        True, not everyone is able to see the world this way–at least not at first. But that seems to me to be precisely part of the machine (Satan’s design) that creates such enemy images of persons in the first place. And then it’s only a small step to the side to start behaving in ways considered evil.

        I’d really like to quote two people that greatly influenced my life, learning, and growth over the years.

        Carl Rogers wrote in his book “On Becoming a Person” (pages 26, 27):

        (begin quote)
        There is one deep learning which is perhaps basic to all of the things I have said thus far. It has been forced upon me by more than twenty-five years of trying to be helpful to individuals in personal distress. It is simply this. It has been my experience that persons have a basically positive direction. In my deepest contacts with individuals in therapy, even those whose troubles are most disturbing, whose behavior has been most anti-social, whose feelings seem most abnormal, I find this to be true. When I can sensitively understand the feelings which they are expressing, when I am able to accept them as separate persons in their own right, then I find that they tend to move in certain directions. And what are these directions in which they tend to move? The words which I believe are most truly descriptive are words such as positive, constructive, moving toward self-actualization, growing toward maturity, growing toward socialization. I have come to feel that the more fully the individual is understood and accepted, the more he tends to drop the false fronts with which he has been meeting life, and the more he tends to move in a direction which is forward.

        I would not want to be misunderstood on this. I do not have a Pollyanna view of human nature. I am quite aware that out of defensiveness and inner fear individuals can and do behave in ways which are incredibly cruel, horribly destructive, immature, regressive, anti-social, hurtful. Yet one of the most refreshing and invigorating parts of my experience is to work with such individuals and to discover the strongly positive directional tendencies which exist in them, as in all of us, at the deepest levels.
        (end quote)

        Marshall Rosenberg wrote in his book “Nonviolent Communication – A Language of Life” (page 162):

        (begin quote)
        The assumption behind the protective use of force is that people behave in ways injurious to themselves and others due to some form of ignorance. The corrective process is therefore one of education, not punishment. Ignorance includes (a) a lack of awareness of the consequences of our actions, (b) an inability to see how our needs may be met without injury to others, (c) the belief that we have the “right” to punish or hurt others because they “deserve” it, and (d) delusional thinking that involves, for example, hearing a “voice” that instructs us to kill someone.

        Punitive action, on the other hand, is based on the assumption that people commit offenses because they are bad or evil, and to correct the situation, they need to be made to repent. Their “correction” is undertaken through punitive action designed to make them (1) suffer enough to see the error of their ways, (2) repent, and (3) change. In practice, however, punitive action, rather than evoking repentance and learning, is just as likely to generate resentment and hostility and to reinforce resistance to the very behavior we are seeking.
        (end quote)

        I can affirm without reservation, that both these expressions have been equally true (and equally surprising at first) in my experience also. And yes, I echo Carl when I admit truthfully that this view was rather “forced upon me” by my own experience as well.

        Did I mention how much I enjoyed Br. Rick Suraci’s discourse “A boy and His Uncle” from this year’s convention?

        “Small Steps. Read Pages. Chickens can’t burp.”

        -greg

        • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

          Greg, I think Jehovah knows this about human nature that even the evilest person can change and many will. Some will change and when satan is loosed, they will with full knowledge choose as he did to go against God. But when we hear what happened in youth to some of the molesters we will have compassion and help them heal as well as their victims. This is a job ahead of us all as we learn from Christ. I can’t judge a person now because like you I have heard of some of the vile things done to children who are now adults on my table telling the story.
          While we are talking, let me hit a controversial subject that ignited a storm on facebook with many a “Christian”. It is the Gay community and I will tell only one story that totally shook me to my core.
          Late one night it was snowing hard and we were advised by the DOT not to shut down our shops until the truck drivers got off the highways and were okay. (My business was at flying J service center at crossroads of America., Dr. haircuts etc)
          A person walked in and I wasn’t sure how to address them but proceeded without saying he or she.
          When I had the person flat on their back with hairline showing and all (I am also a licensed cosmetologist) I knew this was a she. the cheekbones, neck gorgeous hair and we talked about the same things and loved it.
          This person cried and said I like you, you are so kind to me. He said what do you think my gender is? I said beyond a shadow of a doubt you are female but yet I also see male in a strange way, plus your dress is distinctly male. So I said do you want to talk about it? Yes. The story and my exam and observation convinced me that there is some hormonal mixup in the womb, maybe because of chemicals in our food, our additive air but this was my second person that I can attest they are neither male nor female but somewhere in between. The other person was a witness brother that choose the male gender because the society GB) said he should try to chose one and stick to it. This person and I became friends that night and I told him about the kingdom and how the suffering would end and all mankind would be made whole. She dressed as a male to be able to fight and keep peace near her. He was both but he was a female. I am not talking about your promiscuous individuals having a good time but there is something wrong with the gene pool now. I have seen many case files on this.
          That is why I don’t be judging people. I have to leave that up to God and just do what he told us to do, preach, teach and baptize in the name of the Father and Son.
          All judging has been put into his hands. I just feel sorry for the people who as a child was hardened and turned into an animal. Just had to get that out there. We have a diverse audience.

          • greg (Bible Student)

            Jacqueline, and all others who might be reading,

            Thank you so very sincerely for sharing this with all of us.

            This story touches me so deeply, so profoundly. I cannot say in words how thankful I am to you for sharing it. Now I don’t have to try and share similar stories from my encounters with persons who have been unfairly judged, condemned, shunned, and mistreated over the years. I really do weep tears for the secret shames, the hidden fears, the loss of anything resembling normality, and the traumatic fallout that so many persons who have been broken and damaged face and endure every day. For those who manage to endure, I hope and pray they also manage to find moments of relief, and possibly even joy. For those who make their own relief because they cannot endure any longer, I long for the day I can welcome them back and support them as they work to heal and recover their dignity, their humanity, their hopes, and their lost opportunities.

            Won’t it be wonderful to meet and discover the person they could have been, the person God actually intended for them to be able to grow to be?

            -greg

    • Richard Tazzyman

      Hello Richard,The comments given to you are all very worthwhile.The other thing we need to consider is that Satan & his wicked angels have been bound for a thousand years,Christ is in controll for a thousand years.So Satan has no more influence over Mankind during this time!And the Mighty God( Not the Almighty,Jehovah)Jesus will have the power,Influence to controll mankind,Remember the Scriptures tell Us that they will not cause any Harm in my holy mountain,& if we ask why,the answer is “Because the earth will cetainly be filled with the Knoweldge of Jehovah”!

    • just Stay Sweet and Good

      Richard………Evil people continue to be evil because the system rewards them in some way. Evil is like a pile of shit. Don’t mess with it. It will just dry up and be blown away if left isolated. Havent you notice that when you don’t support evil people then just don’t really want your company anymore? Hitler never killed anybody he just talked others into it. Our influence right now is very effective (Col 1:27) and will be the only influence in the kingdom. An evil person won’t even have a chance of a “ice cube in hell” to survive. Just the fact that they were dead and were resurrected will be enough to humble most people. Of, course, there will be a small amount of hard heads that will have to be given up on. The most evil person you ever met in your life were at one time a little child, with no record against them other than the fact that we are all born with a spirit of entitlement. If we were blessed with good parents who knew how to nip that in the bud we were that much better off than those who were just left to wander like wild indians with no set course. Satan in a god who wins by default, when there is no correction and holding to the law. In the 1,000 years the law will be enforced to the point of being verry irritating to those who refuses to circumcise their hearts. God is not to be mocked.

  • Prodigal

    Anonymous CJ, Thank you for your feed back. But I’m not clear where we are disagree, so help me here, let me analysis your comments.

    We are not disagree, that there is a sin against the Holy spirit. Are we?

    We not disagreeing about Jesus aplication of his ransome sacrifice, (whats covered and whats not covered). Are we?

    But I’m confused; What make you think that I’m not in agreement or disagreeing with your comments.

    I never stated that; “only the anointed poseses the Holy spirit” I quoted the scriptures and what Jesus said on the matter. I just presented my compilation of the scriptures. No opinions!

    I don’t know what scriptural basis you have for this comment: “Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it”. But I will entertain your scriptual findings.

    But please point out your disagreement?

    From the congregation of Ephesus

  • Prodigal

    Prodigal,

    Matt. 26:24 woe to that man through whom the son of man is betrayed, it would have been better for that man if he had not been born, Why?

    This is Jesus’s conclusion, explaining it to Pontius Pilate, about His sacrifice and what is true,
    John 18:37b everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.

    The law prescribe,
    Deuteronomy 27:25 “cursed is the one who accept a bribe to kill an innocent person” … Amen!

    John 19:11b this is why the man who handed me over to you have “greater sin”

    Jesus Himself said in Matthew 12:31, 32 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.” vs 32; For example whoever speaks a word against the son of man it will be forgiven him but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him, No! not in this system of things nor in that to come.

    Jesus explaining to the scribe, “The unforgivable sin”, and elaborate on this point.
    Mark 3:28,29 truly I say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men no matter what the sin they commit and what blaspheming they speak but whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin.

    In another passage, Jesus talking to his Holy Father in a prayer,
    Jn 17:12 when I was with them I used to watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me and I have protected them and not one of them is destroyed except the son of Destruction, “so that the scriptures might be fulfilled”.

    Who is the son of Destruction (mentioned by Jesus) so the scriptures may be fulfilled? “Whoever blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever but it’s guilty of everlasting sin”.

    There are three known, scriptural sinners, that have sin against the Holy Spirit and is mention in the Bible;

    Judas Iscariot is the first, please call to mind that this particular sin was foretold or prophesied.

    Let me try to use a more modern approach, some of us who have a life policy, known as life insurance policy to protect or cover our benefactors. However all insurance policies have limitations. So those, Jesus ransom sacrifice it’s like a life policy, it has what’s covered and what’s not covered on the policy, technically known as inclusions and exclusions.

    Jesus’s live policy; also has inclusion and exclusion, Truly I say to you… Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness for ever!

    • Anonymous CJ

      Prodigal.,
      Thank you for your comment. However we must disagree. The only unforgivable sin is sin against the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:28-30). Only the anointed possess the Holy Spirit therefore only they can sin against it. To sin against the Holy Spirit entails having the Holy sprint, knowing the absolute truth, then willfully rejecting it. The world of mankind doesn’t not have the Holy Spirit to sin against. Let’s take an example. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe they Sodom will not be resurrected. However lets take a look at what the Bible has to say.

      “Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.” – Matthew 10:15

      If Sodom is not to be ressurected please explain what will be more bearable for them in a day of Judgement that they will not be in!!!!!

      The Bible guarantees a resurrection for everyone.
      “As in Adam all are dying as so in the Christ ask shall be made alive.”
      1 Cor 15:22

      We are currently in the Gospel Age (Christian portion of this system of things) which opened when Christ came and will be open until the 144,000 is complete. Nowhere does the Bible show that anyone other than the spirit anointed can go into second death. The world of mankind cannot blaspheme against what they do not have. The only time the world of mankind will go into second death is at the end of the 1000 years when Satan is let out.

  • greg (Bible Student)

    Hi Peter and/or Jacqueline.

    I tried to reply to this twice now and neither instance showed up. Did I perhaps trigger the spam filters again?

    If my reply attempts can be still retrieved, can you post only the second one, please? I tweaked it a bit more while I was waiting to see if the first attempt showed up.

    Thanks so much.
    -greg

  • greg (Bible Student)

    (Something unexpected happened when I clicked “Post Comment” so I hope this doesn’t show up twice, despite the fact that I checked and waited to see if it actually went through the after first attempt.)

    Hi Lee Anthony.

    I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

    I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

    Brother Russell seems to have indicated his belief that Judas would probably not have any hope of a resurrection. He says, “[Judas] sinned against great light; there is no hope for him in a future life.” And yet he also says, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.” You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

    I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

    Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

    If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

    But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

    And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

    So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

    Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain undecided and unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty. I accept that I do not KNOW for sure, and I don’t find that I absolutely MUST KNOW. Rather, I find myself in total agreement with the words that Brother Russell said, “But if God has anything for Judas in the future, you will not find me making any objection.”

    How does this sit for you, Lee?
    -greg

  • Lee Anthony

    Hello,
    I have a question about a verse I was just reading (that I have never heard an explanation of) and i have never really thought about before… In (matt. 26:24) Jesus says “woe to the man who betrays the son of man it would be better for him if he had not been born” What is Jesus saying about Judas and it being better not to be born?? It almost seems that he was talking about the way of death cause in 1st part of verse it says “son of man will go just as it is written” yet i thought that somewhere it says jesus was to suffer more than anyone else…Any thoughts?

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Lee Anthony: Thank you for a very interesting question. Let’s take a look at the verse you are citing.

      Matthew 26:24 (NKJV)”The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

      Okay. So Jesus says it is better if Judas had never been born. Never existed? No. A stillborn child / miscarriage is a child that existed it the womb, but never left the womb alive. In that case, Judas could have been resurrected in the Kingdom with a clean slate and a full opportunity for life.

      Job describes the condition of both the child that dies at birth and also the stillborn child who dies in the womb. In both cases, they are said to be sleeping in death with the great people who died before them. These too will be resurrected to the paradise earth kingdom in the future.

      Job 3:11-19 (ESV) “11 Why did I not die at birth,
      come out from the womb and expire?
      12 Why did the knees receive me?
      Or why the breasts, that I should nurse?
      13 For then I would have lain down and been quiet;
      I would have slept; then I would have been at rest,
      14 with kings and counselors of the earth
      who rebuilt ruins for themselves,
      15 or with princes who had gold,
      who filled their houses with silver.
      16 Or why was I not as a hidden stillborn child,
      as infants who never see the light?
      17 There the wicked cease from troubling,
      and there the weary are at rest.
      18 There the prisoners are at ease together;
      they hear not the voice of the taskmaster.
      19 The small and the great are there,
      and the slave is free from his master.”

      We would love to here more from you on this or any other topic.

      • Lee Anthony

        Peter K.
        Thanks for response. Still a little confused on Judas… Is the implication then that he will still have a resurrection? (John 5:28) does say all in the graves will rise so this does of course make sense..

        • greg (Bible Student)

          Hi Lee Anthony.

          I, too, have puzzled over this passage.

          I don’t have a detailed scriptural “proof” I can give you. What I can offer you is my “current understanding.”

          Brother Russell indicated his belief that Judas would not have any hope of a resurrection. You can read and research more about that here: http://www.htdb.net/EBC2/EBC40.htm#26:24

          I highly esteem and respect Brother Russell and I also treasure all his expressions, and so I would never dare to think myself more learned than him. Yet, in this case I find that I do remain somewhat unconvinced that it’s totally inconceivable that Judas could return in the resurrection. I fully trust that if I could sit and converse with Brother Russell on the subject we would both enjoy the stimulating conversation, and both be enriched for it. Whether or not we would eventually come to share the same conclusions, I cannot say.

          Perhaps my uncertainty is simply because I haven’t done sufficient research into the matter. Yet, in my mind I cannot yet dismiss some very strong arguments I have about the notion. I might be persuaded to share my nagging internal arguments here, but for now, I want to simply address what I believe to be your question.

          If Judas is not to be resurrected, then he is one of a very tiny handful of persons who will not be coming back. (Are there as of yet any others who will not return? Hmmm… What a discussion these questions might inspire!) But assuming Judas will not be resurrected, then in that sense, yes, it would have been better if he had died before he had persisted so long in his course that he came to be viewed by God as incorrigible. Had he died before being born, there would still be hope that his life course and choices could have had a different outcome.

          But what if Judas is resurrected? How could that be considered so terrible that it would be better for him that he had not been born? Well, I just imagine how terrible I would feel if it was me in Judas’ shoes. I mean, think of it: How could I ever live with myself knowing that I helped kill God’s son? That I betrayed someone who called me to be his friend and disciple? And for what? 30 pieces of silver? And that I lost out on a chance to reign as a king and priest alongside Jesus in heaven? And how could I face other people who all knew it was me? Oh! the shame! The humiliation! The LOSS! The Grief! The regrets!

          And surely it would seem so hopeless and full of relentless despair that I too would rush to kill myself to end the pain of living with myself. (I know and say this because I actually did spent several decades of my life wanting to kill myself, and that mostly for sins merely perceived, and of those sins that were indeed fact being so comparatively insignificant as what Judas did.)

          So regardless of whether or not Judas is resurrected, either way, to have not have been born or to not have even existed would in many ways seem preferable to enduring the painful awareness or regrets and crushing weight of several very grave sins. To have died after a brief and virtually unknown existence would be preferable to a life filled with the knowledge and awareness of how one’s actions did not serve life.

          Regardless of whether or not Judas comes back, I find great peace in that I trust fully that God is just, and righteous. As Abraham said in Genesis 18:25, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” And so even though I remain unconvinced either way, I find I can accept and even enjoy that relatively small (it’s small to me, anyways) measure of uncertainty.

          How does this sit for you, Lee?
          -greg

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Lee Anthony – Greg’s reply helps to illustrate that Bible Students are not united on whether or not Judas will come back in the resurrected. One point of view is that Judas was a special case and a special exception to the Ransom since he had such a close relationship directly with Jesus for 3 1/2 years. If Judas is resurrected he will have to face all mankind in shame and demonstrate real repentance. You can find a debate on the question of whether Judas died the second death here:

          http://bibleresources.info/audio-hymns/audio-sermons/
          Search for the topic below:
          Did Judas Die the Second Death?
          Bill Dutka & Michael Nekora – General Convention 2007

          • Lee Anthony

            Peter and Greg,
            Thanks for insight. This is enough to satisfy my curiosities about the subject, I really have noone to discuss such things with in detail, a jw would just pull up a wt article as an explanation. I find that I dont need an explaination of everything in black and white since that knowledge specifically will not lead me unto life, I believe only Jesus can do that. (john 14:6) However, I will certainly listen to the debate on the matter. Thanks for the link. Study of the scriptures and discussion of that with others is a nice relief from the normal ( we know all attitude of the kingdom hall meetings). Thanks.

            • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

              Lee Anthony hello, I believe Jesus died for all fallen man including his betrayed on that night. They killed him not Judas. The decision was made in Genesis that it was between Satan and her seed not Judas.
              His death before Christ was a loss of being a foundation floor for the kingdom, one of the twelve.
              Could it be Jesus uttered a prophecy about his attitude in the Millennium maybe by saying son of destruction?
              I don’t know but I have faith God will be just for many did much more to our Lord than Judas. Lots could identify Jesus if they had waited until day for he preached openly. I think there is something deeper maybe about Judas as God knows the End to the Beginning on who we will be by choice. Just my two cents worth.

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