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  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. One more thought.Jesus referring to end times. Matthew 24:37-39 As it was in the time of Noah, so it will be in... } – Mar 21, 9:02 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, There have been so many viruses and when this passes then what? Was assume something else? The world will have their trial in the... } – Mar 21, 8:59 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Yes the bride, the little flock. Luke 11:32 But I saw another dave not me left a message, Rev. 19 Jesus and... } – Mar 21, 8:52 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Your question, how will these priests rule over these people if their destroyed or are in hell? Rev. 20:4-6 Note where it... } – Mar 21, 8:44 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave. Pf course. However we see that God is calling a bride. He isnt calling the world. That's why we are called a little flock.... } – Mar 21, 8:41 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Acts 17:30 reads, God overlooks these things in times past, but now directs everyone everywhere to change their hearts and lives. } – Mar 21, 8:30 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave. The world is not on trial. The scriptures confirm this. God was only dealing with Israel. Now hes opened it up to the gentiles... } – Mar 21, 7:03 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's Only church is on trial. Matthew 24:24 False Christ's and false prophets will appear, and they will offer great signs and wonders... } – Mar 21, 6:17 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Marc on trinity. 1. Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. That's a couple that gets married. The rest of... } – Mar 21, 6:02 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Kevin, That is very interesting. And true. That's why nearly 75% of the Bible students left the organization that Rutherford created. I think the biggest... } – Mar 18, 10:58 AM
  • User AvatarKevin Anthony { Rutherford left the path of truth that Brother Russell laid down. Simple as that. Anyone running for the High Calling in Christ would have recognized... } – Mar 18, 8:39 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { John, Let's review part of 1 Corinthians 7 Married Couples 1 Cor 7:10-11 10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the... } – Mar 10, 7:48 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello John,Interesting what you had to say-But The Son of God Said in Mathew 19:7-9 (This really explains the Situation) "They said to him: "Why,then,did... } – Mar 09, 8:44 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034, Thanks. Doesn't Dan 12:4 mean that the book of Daniel could not be understood until the time of the end when Michael stands up?... } – Mar 03, 2:57 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { Peter K The greatest action is the removal of the Devil, everything is secondary to his power in the human world, such as world government.... } – Mar 03, 2:40 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034 You answered my question Do you believe Michael is yet to stand up in the future? Your answer: FUTURE You did NOT answered my... } – Mar 03, 7:42 AM
  • User Avatar2034 { Clarification: This "Michael" Devil confrontation of the future, is the chained-abyssed-sealed imprisoning of Satan. Rev20:13, after he conquers world government as Rev19:19-21, at the full... } – Mar 02, 6:43 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { I think realistically Jesus will be performing a perfect final "presence" and eventual full manifestation after he secures all savable humans. That final timeframe, when... } – Mar 02, 6:26 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { Correction: Daniel 11:40-45, not Daniel 11:4-45 } – Mar 02, 4:49 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { Yes, I believe the "Michael" appearance is when demons are also being confronted, as in Revelation 12. Daniel 11:4-45 is the King South "7th King"... } – Mar 02, 4:48 PM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { Richard, I don't have the exact date, but it was in the early 80s in the Bronx. It was a special talk given on a... } – Feb 29, 9:22 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { RR-When and where was that talk Given.Any one who would swallow that information would certainly have to be brainwashed,as most JWs are.Love to hear from... } – Feb 28, 6:42 PM
  • User AvatarRR { Yes Roy, that's what the Watchtower wants you to believe. Just like Carey Barber who visited our hall and gave a special talk told us... } – Feb 27, 8:07 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Many of them continue independently and view the Watchtower organization to have adopted doctrinal errors over the years. } – Feb 25, 10:03 AM
  • User AvatarRoy { Last thing I knew about this was that many of them assimilated into JW, as estimated 5000 in Moldova and probably the ones in other... } – Feb 25, 8:59 AM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { <> I've thought about that … I believe things would still be as they are. Probably wouldn't have Jehovah's Witnesses … but the splits in... } – Feb 23, 5:53 PM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Thank you Rud, I believe what you have stated is correct and will detail out some of the evidence I have from both sides of... } – Feb 19, 11:29 AM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Thank you for the correction Randy. In my personal collection I have nearly a complete collection of studies in the Scriptures with a publish date... } – Feb 19, 11:25 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Exile- Thanks. Transparency, mutual respect and Christian liberty is the best way. } – Feb 19, 7:17 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Randy. We are always striving for accuracy. Can you share your source? } – Feb 19, 7:14 AM
  • User AvatarRandy Smith { Hello, I’d like to correct the suggestion that Russell’s Scripture Studies ceased to be published in 1924. The society in fact continued to publish them... } – Feb 18, 11:09 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Rud, Thanks for the good information. I am doing a little more digging myself now. Keep in mind that a lot of information Bible Students... } – Feb 18, 8:51 AM
  • User Avatarexile { Three or four years ago there was a WT study article that stated that annointed should not form private groups. That same article also warned... } – Feb 16, 8:25 PM
  • User AvatarChris J { Peter, When I was a Jw I partook my last two years. They didn’t say anything but that it was between me and God. } – Feb 16, 11:09 AM
  • User AvatarRud Persson { Laura Whitehouse was Isaac Hoskins´ sister-in-law. Eventually she came to live with the Hoskins. If she would tell people about Rutherord being dismissed she certainly... } – Feb 16, 9:58 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Rolando - Thanks for your comments on the January Watchtower study issue. I noticed the article lists many of the evidences of spirit begettal (anointing)... } – Feb 16, 6:14 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Terry - You can find the answer at this link. https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2012/09/08/75-of-the-original-bible-students-left-the-watchtower-by-1931/ } – Feb 13, 11:02 AM
  • User AvatarTerry Bernard { I am interested in where you get this figure: 75% of Bible Students who left the Watchtower because they would not follow J.F. Rutherford Someone... } – Feb 10, 11:25 AM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { The January 2020 issue of the Watchtower had this to say about anointed JW's https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines ... -with-you/ 7 Anointed Christians do not feel that they... } – Feb 09, 7:41 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Br. Jim - Around 1988 when I was in Palm Dessert California for a few months, Bro. Ken Thompson (over 90 years old) told... } – Feb 06, 5:48 AM
  • User AvatarJames Parkinson { I can add one thing. Laura Whitehouse was a signator to Bro. Russell's 1907 will. A relative of hers told me that she understood JFR... } – Feb 03, 10:01 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Br. Ronald - These quotes are more confirmation that Bible Student do not believe in control or abusive treatment over any other christian, but... } – Feb 01, 6:01 PM
  • User AvatarRonald Day { Some things Russell said about organization: There is no organization today clothed with authority. -- Watch Tower, September 1, 1893, page 262. A visible organization... } – Feb 01, 9:45 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034, Thanks for sharing your studies. Do you believe Michael is yet to stand up in the future? Do you believe the understanding of Danilel's... } – Jan 30, 7:12 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034 - Thanks. Do you believe angels and those remaining on earth after the Rev 20 thousand years and little season have immortality (as opposed... } – Jan 30, 7:04 AM
  • User Avatar2034 { The Daniel 12:11 1290 days of "8th King" World Government will also trigger the Christ arrival. And because he gathers the sheep first worldwide (Rev14:6-7),... } – Jan 27, 7:02 AM
  • User Avatar2034 { It appears Revelation 21 has Kingdom purposes for "coming down from heaven" to earth for humans. The one hope is immortality, the realm is heavenly... } – Jan 27, 6:58 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Rena. - It is our hope that with open and honest discussion (without fear) that we can reason together in love with each other... } – Jan 20, 8:33 AM
  • User AvatarRena Luecking aka Just Stay Sweet and Good { I agree Chris. the general attitude is not spiritual but combative these days. When people are attacked their "fight or flight" response kicks in. Our... } – Jan 19, 9:44 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Preach. So true. "today the larger percent of those who withdrew from so-called organized Christianity have turned aside and again gone back into the... } – Jan 14, 6:03 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Sky - Thanks for commenting. "God desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim 2:4. Thankfully God's... } – Dec 31, 10:42 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - I am going to assume you actually believe this scenario where over 99% of mankind goes to hell. I have two questions for... } – Dec 30, 2:48 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Br. Richard, I personally knew Sr. Marge since I was a teenager. Any comments I could make would not do justice in describing her kindness,... } – Dec 30, 7:26 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Br. Richard. I appreciate your support in making this book available. } – Dec 30, 7:17 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { No more from me Bro Peter.We have Listened.But the arguments of Scripture that Marc quoted do not in any way or form point to a... } – Dec 29, 10:45 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Brother Peter,We have plenty of the booklets,We had them reprinted.I have let G/Eagle know & asked him to e/mail me if he would like... } – Dec 29, 10:36 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Golden Eagle.If you send me your email details to rtazzyman@dodo.com.au I will send you a copy or copies.(No charge)Richard.Tazzyman,Bible Student Australia } – Dec 29, 10:34 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Another self righteous comment. It makes me think when a Christian calls someone a name and then uses the scripture of jesus calling the pharisees... } – Dec 29, 10:07 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { You did a great job rambling on but totally ignored Romans 9:18. } – Dec 29, 6:16 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, I could easily say the exact same thing to you about the Scriptures I have cited in the past and could just as easily... } – Dec 29, 6:15 PM
  • User AvatarSky { ""God wants to save only His elect – the rest not so (Romans 9:18)"" There is your first problem. With that attitude you become "first... } – Dec 29, 5:43 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Golden Eagle - This book is no longer in print, but you can download the book to your computer. } – Dec 29, 3:43 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Golden Eagle, I'm so sorry to hear about your family. So many have been damaged by the high control religion. I left the JWs when... } – Dec 29, 2:36 PM
  • User AvatarGolden Eagle { How do you get a copy of this book sent by mail ? } – Dec 29, 12:59 PM
  • User AvatarGolden Eagle { I have been reading all this as now it has all become confusing . So many doctrines have changed , as well as so many... } – Dec 29, 12:55 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - If you are not seriously going to consider the scriptures at the link than it is becoming clear this was never really a... } – Dec 29, 11:09 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { All incorrect. But you believe what you want. } – Dec 29, 9:05 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Some introductory thoughts. 1. God wants to save only His elect - the rest not so (Romans 9:18). 2. God will bless all people who... } – Dec 29, 7:14 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johnz { Marc doesnt want to see it. Jesus said he is ascending to his God. The Bible even says that the head of christ is God.... } – Dec 29, 6:33 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - We could continue debating the Trinity for months. I think it has gone on long enough. We have heard enough from you on... } – Dec 29, 6:00 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Christ's throne, "stands at the right hand of the Father's throne...or is even identical with it Rv 22:1, 3; cp. 3:21b (BDAG, 3rd Edition, thronos,... } – Dec 29, 5:46 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Marc,Read the scripture- two different people,two different thrones, you cannot ignore that. Otherwise you can twist any scripture to suit your teaching. Regards Richard.BS Australia. } – Dec 29, 5:20 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { And both the Father and the Lord Jesus on the the throne receive worship not fit for any created being (Revelation 5:12-13; 7:10, 15; 22:3). } – Dec 29, 4:31 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Bro Chris,As you stated,the scriptures do the talking-not us,we cannot change what Jesus said in Rev 3:21 "To the one who conquers I will... } – Dec 29, 1:14 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Chris, The good news (gospel) includes calling on the name of Jesus as being YHWH (Romans 10:8, 13) Apollos debated the Jews who denied that... } – Dec 29, 12:49 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc, Like we said. You believe what you want. I believe Jesus when he said "I Am ascending to my God." If they were both... } – Dec 28, 9:06 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc Apollos went to spread the good news of Jesus Christ. He ran into the Jews who wanted to argue and he debated them. You... } – Dec 28, 8:51 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { If there is something that exists in this site which says something like "if you disagree with us then don't post here" then I wouldn't... } – Dec 28, 8:19 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, 1. You asserted: Nothing in any of the various titles and descriptions of the holy Spirit substantiates the popular conception of the holy Spirit... } – Dec 28, 7:19 PM
  • User AvatarChris Jonns { Peter, Why are you still encouraging hi? Hes here to argue. He just calls its contending for the faith. When you search out those to... } – Dec 28, 7:16 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, 1. You asserted: Calling on the name of Jesus is the same as calling on the name of the LORD (YHWH) as Jesus is... } – Dec 28, 7:14 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc Your first proof: None of the scriptures you cited proved that Jesus was YHWH. I answered every one. So far your have zero scriptures... } – Dec 28, 4:38 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { If the Bible applied YHWH from the Old Testament unto the Lord Jesus just once that would be enough proof that He is YHWH. But... } – Dec 28, 6:54 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, If there were scriptures that clearly taught the Trinity, then at best we have a situation where Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 could be... } – Dec 28, 5:15 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, 1 Corinthians 1:2 is also uses the expression "call upon the name of the Lord" which is taken from Joel 2:32 and it is... } – Dec 27, 7:22 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, Consider this in response to your arguments about the Holy Spirit. Nothing in any of the various titles and descriptions of the holy Spirit... } – Dec 27, 6:37 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, This response is to your point #1 which is your evidence that the Lord Jesus is referred to as YHWH. First of all, we... } – Dec 27, 5:20 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Ok Peter. Sounds good. I meant 1 Peter 2:3 above not 1 Peter 2:4 - although the "Him" in verse 4 does indicate the "Lord"... } – Dec 26, 10:21 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Marc - We will take a look and get back to you when we can. I am presently at work for the next couple... } – Dec 26, 8:23 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hi Peter, 1. My previous arguments that the Lord Jesus is referred to as YHWH were not refuted. That is Old Testament passages where "YHWH"... } – Dec 26, 8:08 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - The absence of evidence in points 1-3 are valid arguments. Your rebuttal is worth considering with supporting evidence supplied. The fact that Trinity... } – Dec 26, 7:40 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, In response to your 4 points: 1. Just because a specific word does not appear is irrelevant. The Bible never uses the word "monotheism"... } – Dec 25, 5:43 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Bro. Richard, I like Marc. Sure he is is firm and convicted of his views, but he is also as respectful and polite as... } – Dec 25, 4:49 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Bro Peter,I just had to comment on your Post to Marc,You have been very Patient,loving and ; gone to great lengths to explain the... } – Dec 25, 4:39 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Hi Marc, The modern 20th century view is the Tri-unity does not accept historical views of the Trinity where the Father, Son and Holy Spirit... } – Dec 25, 9:57 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, I meant bodies in the sense of physical bodies. What is the difference between a Trinitarian and a Tri-unitarian? I ask because I couldn't... } – Dec 25, 5:45 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Thank you. Merry Christmas to you as well. } – Dec 24, 5:34 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Merry Christmas Marc. } – Dec 24, 5:23 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hi Peter, God knows His sheep and will protect all of His own (John 10:27-29). } – Dec 24, 4:13 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - Based on on what you believe the Bible teaches, your approach is honest and honorable, even if I do not believe you are... } – Dec 24, 8:13 AM
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  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s

    THIS IS A FACT. Vol IV pages 544,545, three times it ask who this army is. He had it wrong back then and after he went to hea en the leaders had it wrong for another 104 years. Referring to Joel, and the army Jehovah was going to use.

    Here is where it is funny. The first sentence in April study WT has Charles Russell’s name in it.

    So if we take it from ctr,s beginning st it took almost 150 for the correct understanding come about.

    Wow!!! This is why people who left ctr and others miss out.

    Praise Jehovah as his light keeps getting brighter.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave
      So his light got brighter on 1925? 1975, Evaul slave class? Faithful servant was all anointed? Organ transplants are cannibalism? 1914 was “this generation” and “overlapping generation” Jonadabs? Israel? Ruth-Estger class? Thw scapegoat being the bible students?

      Hmm sound more like wandering in darkness to me.

      Why dont you try to read the volumes and stop looking for errors in them. We dont hold to the volumes like y’all do the WT magazines.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Why dont you google the Australian Royal Commission when Geoffrey was on the stand and said that its presumptuous to believe that only you have the truth.
      Jehovahs word said that nothing covered wouldn’t be uncovered. Man did it shine in the WT and expose all the pedophiles and false doctrines.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      I’m going to leave this hear. It’s clear your whole intention is to be correct. I was a JW so I know your mentality. You want the last word so you can go off being puffed about about having been correct. You did this on Facebook too. Yes I remember.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    Ad in back of book

    THE WATCH TOWER

    And

    Herald of Christ Presence

    This journal should regularly visit all who have the slightest interest in the topics in this and the other volumes of the Scripture Studies. It is issued twice a month, 16 pages, at one dollar (4s.) a year in advance.

    I always wonder did my Grandfather and Grandmother get any of the books when on the farm. For many colporture hit the farms. Will have to wait till the resurrection to find out.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      We hand out tracts and have witnessing booths and we have many traveling brothers and sisters that visit all over the world. We are a little flock and when the bride is complete we will raise the world of mankind and will have all to be enlighted bu the truth.

  • Dave

    Here are some verses ctr uses on page 528 VOL IV.
    Rev. 16:14; Zeph:3:8 ;Isa. 13:4; rev. 16:18; Heb. 12:26.
    All the proud and all that do wickedly shall be stubble, and this fire shall burn them up. It shall leave them neither root nor branch. Mai.4:1

    Happily you and I can say were happy he was wrong on the timing, or we never would have lived . And no need to criticize him as he was ahead of his time. Yet those prophecies still have to be fulfilled.

    Page 616 He is off on the folliwing.
    We have seen that the period of our Lord’s presence from 1874 to 1914 is a harvest time, the earlier part of it for gathering his elect bride, and the latter part a time of trouble ,for the overthrow of present institutions, in preparation for the new Kingdom.

    Think if we had the internet back then. They would have web sites going after him just like happened today with the judge.

    Read some stories of Russell’s follows, even in other countries. One from Norway touched me as my mothers parents had come from there to the us about the time this book was written . But when it didn’t come true this consecrated ones, either took their lives or quit worshipping God. How could they face there neighbors where they had preached.

    If they had only stayed in the truth, the light kept getting brighter and things started making sense. To the point they eventually stopped printing the studies because of so many I’ll timed events making it impossible to see the truth.

    But believe it or not, just like Catholics who were taught about limbo, and most are unaware that the Church got rid of it, they keep serving the Pope. And same with ctr, a small handful scattered around the world hang on to Him.
    Amazing!!!

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Going to let Pastor Russell answer that question 20 years later.

    None need be surprised to find that some of its statements, although startling strong come short now of the full Truth.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s. 1897 . It relates to the closing epoch of this Gospel Age, the overlapping between it and the New Dispensation.

    Please answer, wes that truthful?

    From preface of Studies VOL IV

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      The overlapping of the Gospel Age with the Jewish Age is a parallel between the Overoapping of the GOSPEL age and the Messianic age. Like I said. Read the Divine Plan. And when I did it took me put of nominal christendom of the WTS.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    John chapter 3. Who ever doesnt believe in him is already judged, because they dont believe in the name of God’s only Son .

    When all the people living on earth now face the wrath of God, rev.19:20 But the beast was seized, along with the false prophet who had done signs in the beast presence. (He had used the signs to deceive people into receiving the beast’s mark and into worshipping the beast’s image.) The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur. The rest were killed by the sword that comes from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds are the fill of their flesh.

    Do you know who the rider on the horse is? Do you know how scripture shows this us not at the end of the 1000 years?

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      Then you’re whole religion falls a apart because your religion teaches that those who didn’t believe will come back. Dave all I’m going to say and I’m going to leave it here. God has a plan for everyone. Jesus is a Ransom for ALL. Every single human being will have a chance for everlasting life oh the earth. Gods main goal is to seek a bride for his son Jesus. After the bride is complete they will raise the world of mankind and they will have forever lost out on the prize of the heavenly call but will have an opportunity for life on the earth. Please read the Divine plan of the ages. Opened my eyes to the Good News of great joy and not the Good tidings of bad news the Watchtower taught me for 6 years. Have a good day.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    The word many which about 25 translations I checked all use Jesus word many.
    And my English dictionary gave me the meaning— the majority— then gave you the meaning of majority—the greater number.

    Not only do you go against English but also Pastor Russell’s teaching. The unforgivable sin. But insulting the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven. Jesus words at Matthew 12:31 And Pastor Russell used these verse more then once . Because its impossible to restore people to changed hearts and lives who turn away once they have seen the light. Hebrews 6:4
    When someone rejected the Law from Moses, they were put to death…How much worse punishment do you think is deserved by the person who walks all over God’s Son? Hebrews 10:28,29.

    You may say the judge made hard rules, but the Pastor enforced the hardest of them all on his readers, follows, believing Jehovah God was using him. A bondage of no resurrection. But it’s not a bondage for those who follow the faithful slave that Jesus said would be here during the last days, so common sense says your going to stay close to the one doing the feeding if you want life . You go your own way or satans children lure you away, you will perish from starvation of wholesome spitual food

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave incorrect.

      Many means all proof

      Romans 5:19
      “For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinner”

      Are you telling me there are sinless people becasue this just means the majority?

      • Christopher Johns

        Dave,
        Hebrews 6:4 is proof that only the anointed are on trial!!! Not the world of mankind. Read it. Ate you saying the world of mankind are partakes of the heavenly gift and partakes of the holy spirit? Nope!!! You just proved my point. The world of mankind is not on trial. Only the anointed are.

        Hebrews 6:4
        “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost”

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    On that one demon did you notice he is aware he and his cohorts will be destroyed. Removed from existence.

    Adam and Eve did the exact same thing as those semons.

    Where is the justice Afam and Eve get another chance but the demons don’t?

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Yes he is aware they will be destroyed. At the end I’d the millennium because they will be locked away for the millennium. Tye world the rebels IN THE LITTLE SEASON (years after the millennium) will be destroyed. But JWs are sending them off before they have had their trial. The world’s judgment day is the millennium. The Jws have made it now. God is only developing the New creation.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      It is fair that adam hers another trial. That’s the whole ransom. Jesus became a man to redeem man. Not demons and Angel’s.

  • Christopher Johns

    The method that sounds like satan hmmm lemme see

    Bible- “I am the way the truth shall the life no one comes to the father but by me.”

    JWs- Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation.” WT 11-15-81 p.21

    “To receive everlasting life in the earthly paradise, we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.” WT 2-15-83 p.12

    “Bible students…must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation.” Our Kingdom Ministry, November, 1990

    Yet not one scripture backs this point up. Noah’s Ark represents christ. Not an organization.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Didn’t say all Rutherford taught was wrong. I simply used Lucifer which brother Russell was wrong on also.

    And I new you would use a verse after what Jesus said about many . The word many does not meal all. Large number of
    The majority of people
    Right from Dictionary.

    Now for your words by Paul in Roman’s it’s not a contradiction.

    2 Ways to look at it.

    1. His all covers the majority.
    2 At Genesis 3:15 the if non dont commit the unforgivable sin they would get a resurrection.
    But look at perfect at one time, Satan and the Angel’s who joined him. What hope did they have?
    Matthew 8:29 Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time?
    James 2:19 yet the demons believe and shudder.
    Mark 1:24 Did you come to destroy us?
    Dictionary on destroy, make something stop existing by damaging it or attacking it.
    Shudder to tremble or shake violently

    It sure is clear perfection will fully given up has no hope.
    Likewise Jehovahs justice is the same for Adam and Eve. Remember Genesis is after Adam and Eve sinned they would not be included in that hope.
    Same for all who had committed the unforgettable sin before and after Jesus died.

    Keep in mind here, the purpose of this discussion is trying to save yours or any who listen and come back to worship Jehovah God. On the other hand your offer to me, me not being anointed, is the Greek scriptures shows my place is secured in the 1000 years to be given a chance to pass the test at end of 1000 years of Satans abyss. So no matter what my life does there is salvation waiting for me. So just throw bible away Dave you dobt need it.

    Which method sounds like Satan approves???

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Jesus died as a corresponding price and ransom for ADAM. Adam will come back. All means all. Not majority not some, not most. All. Plain and simple Rutherford wasnshovijf everyone off into second death or non-ressurction before they were even placed on trial.

      Gospel Age———-> Church on trial
      Millennial Age——–> World on trial.

      Read Tabernacle Shadows you’ll understand. Rutherford changed the Parable of the Sheep and Goats to now instead of millennium si that he can shove all those who disagree with him into second death. Sorry no way around it.

      WTS has become christendom and have denied the ransom. The use the word but they dont know the concept. God didnt help russell understand the ransom and then completely change it

    • Christopher Johns

      All those scriptures you showed are about demons. When is the appointed time? At the end of the millennium becasue they will be locked away with satan. Its not difficult. You have mankind going into death before their trial in the millennium. Tye world is not on trip until the millennium. By making it now you’ve made void the purpose of the millennium. If it was only for those who havent heard the truth then wouldn’t it make sense to not come to my door at all tjay way I’ll be resurrected and have a chance?

      Which is more fair- Come to my door while I’m still blind give me a 5 minute speech and some video and that was my chance or a 1000 years of perfection satan locked away sin and death removed and have absolute 100 proof then the go to a blind person with faith? Which seems more fair?

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