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To Christopher John’s.
Thank you for the reply. I have looked at the spiritual thing that took place. Have most of the books that came out during that time, Read show all watch towers. And seen where the light got brighter after he passed . One simple example is Lucifer is mentioned in at least 1 of his books. The light getting brighter has shown Isaiah was referring to Babylon king. And Ezekiel account nit about Lucifer. But those cases had I been living them would have me believing that by mistake also. Just like if I was living when ctr believed the 6000 years ended 1873 or 1874 . Those inaccuracies could but should not have affected a persons love for Jehovah.
And living in a world now, where we are bombarded with fake news, my choice is to consider King David, murder, adultery , little baby died because of it. What his wife said, may be true and may not . Same thing that faces me with what ctr,s wife said about him.Again my look is at the spiritual things. Some real basic truths they taught, preaching, bible standard of living, love encouragement, no hell fire, no immortal soul, the soul is the living person, no trinity, etc .
If a person said, the bible is from God,but they refuse to support a religion because of what King David did , that would be a reason. Now you might ask how did that person believe the bible is from God? 40 to 41 men over 1600 years. Hundreds of prophecies fulfilled. People tried to burn them all but it survived. Many claim to go by it but that person sees how they live. Matthew 7:21-23; 7:13,14.
So now where we live you can here a news report given to millions. The next day another source shows it was a lie . But the damage was done because of most of those millions they never had there news say we made a mistake so they go on believing it. I have heard many bad things on ctr and the judge but dont have to worry. A man has been put in charge of the judgement Jesus Christ. Of coarse he is a spirit now. 1 Peter 3:18
So where i disagree with you is the ransom . Matthew 20:28 says he died for many.
The meaning is the majority of people, the greater number.
Let me explain, 100, but 1 did the unforgivable sin before Jesus died.
Also 1 did the unforgettable sin after Jesus died.
That leaves the majority 98 to the 2 minority. So later when a bible write says all, the all is referring to the majority .
All-the extent cover all of the many .
Clear English, but again with a false slant is easily twisted to a misunderstanding.
Dave,
If most of what Rutherford taught has been changed since his death then why would it have been wrong for the bible students to have seen that it was wrong to begin with and label them the evil slave class? Are they just to follow him into error just because? No. And you havent read most of the WT because you’d see that Jesus is a ransom for ALL. You’d see the churches share in the sin offering and that the world of mankind it not on trial now. The Gospel Age is for the development of the church and the millennium is for the world. I know that you have not read all of the watchtowers and not shipped everyone off into second death before the worlds trial had even started. If you read most of the watchtowers you’d see the in the tabernacle the camp (world of mankind) was not even dealt with when the consecration of the priesthood was underway. It was AFTER the seven days of the sacrifices that they went out the bless the camp. But JWs have become like christendom in saying the world is on trial now. If you want to place a blind person on trial because they cant see you’ve in effect become christendom. Plain and simple.
Dave,
The ransom is for ALL. Many means ALL. Let me prove that to you
Romans 5:19
“For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners.”
I’m sorry but are the majority sinners? No ALL. JWs love to show “ransom for many” and then not show “Ransom for ALL”
1 Tim 2:6
Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
To Christopher John’s.
Third Judge Rutherford. What an honor to work in the preaching with someone who was baptized while the Judge was still alive. A person with children and grandchildren serving Jehovah God.
To think of those with Rutherford syndrome, just like those with trump syndrome . True both men are imperfect, so if you want to go against them, you have that freedom. But when looking at what Jehovah has done for his people it is Him that all worshippers give glory, and of coarse being friends with His Son Jesus Christ. Matthew 11:27; John 14:6
Dave,
Judge Rutherford had many women and died from falling down drunk. After his death his wife spoke about all of this. Look up facts and no fantasy brother. He built that mansion Beth Sarim for himself. Drove two cadillacs in the great depression off the donations of the brethren. Sorry. Nothing will convince me that he was anything but a conman.
To Christopher John’s.
King David, no need to mention the mistakes that he made. Highlight the fact he was one of 6 good kings out of about 42 or so. True repentance, the words cut to the heart, for having sinned badly against Jehovah. The man was a true leader for Jehovah Ezekiel 37:24 My servant David will be there king and they will all have one shepherd. They will walk in my judicial decisions and carefully observe my statutes. Read Luke 1:32 then read Daniel 7:13,14.
Not sure how many times David’s name is used in prophecy of Jesus, but what a honor. And yet for a person who reads the bible but doesnt see the good over the bad, they will go, I’m going to do it all my way because of one man and they leave off following the things they learned, and twist them to their liking or chosing.2 Peter 3:16
Dave,
There’s a difference between messing up and being truly repentant and what Rutherford did. He was dismissed by Russell. Then he used his legal knowledge to dismiss those who held shares and put his people in and voting him in as president. He used donations to build himself a mansion and bought so much alcohol and had many women. They will tell you ge died of colon cancer but eye witnesses will tell you otherwise. He was not a good man at all. And it’s not Rutherford syndrome. He took freedom ij Christ and made you have to obey an organization. He changed the Ransom for All into “believe no or die in Armageddon”. If you knew anything about what the bible students taught youd see that we we would be going into christendom to have to obey they watchtower or die in Armageddon. Nk different than the catholic church. Control.
Thank you Criss.
Will start will King Solomon. Blessed by Jehovah with wisdom I fail to fully, not even close grasp . But in reading Deuteronomy 17:17-20 there is wisdom which even myself can understand. Which to some up by not following that, even with all the wisdom given we see the following. 1 Kings 11:7 Deuteronomy 17:19 he must observe all his words.
What do I learn from it? With Jesus using the faithful slave and other sheep in declaring the goodness, my life was blessed as they helped me learn many things about Jehovah. But Jesus saw individuals leave. John Chapter 6. Paul said he wept over many who left. John showed very weak ones in the congregations Chapters 2,3.
And ctr saw many fall away, including his wife. Every president that followed saw fall aways. But in Vol VI ctr showed not to fellowship with those who came under Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-31
So to see men with knowledge in the scriptures leave ctr and the following presidents it just tells me, it will be that way right to Armageddon. And my thanks goes to all starting with Jehovah God and down for giving me this.
Since we have such a hope, we are using such great greenest of speach, and not doing what Moses did when he would put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel might not gaze intently at the end of what was to be done away with. But their minds were dulled. For to this present day, the same veil remains uplifted when the old covenant is read, because it is taken away only by means of Christ. In fact, to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies upon their hearts. But when one turns to Jehovah, the veil is taken away. Now Jehovah is the Spirit, and where the spirit of Jehovah is,there is freedom. And all of us,with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, exactly as it is done by Jehovah the Spirit.
Thank you Jehovah God for that freedom.
Dave,
Rutherford knew what he was doing. He took over and changed it into a high control group. Sorry freedom is in Christ. Not fear of Armageddon for disobeying an organization. Sorry.
To Christopher John’s.
Atrocities!!!
1. King David
2. King Solomon
3. Judge Rutherford
Rank them in order and why.
Dave,
We believe Rutherford was part of the evil servant. He took freedom in christ and made you have to obey an organization. Smh.
Dave,
Again where did jesus offer a two class system? The earth is for restored world of mankind and those who lived before pentecost. Jesus never taught about and earthly hope for his followers. Nowhere do we see non-partakers of a memorial. Nowhere do we see them going out to the public and inviting them fo the memorial. All WTS.
To Christopher John’s.
Rev. 5:13 validates my case.
In heaven. Note who they were saying it to. To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb.
Read the different ones saying it, things that physically will never be in heaven, the sound and praise can make it to heaven but not the material objects. And we no no real animal creatures are not in heaven. This is in signs for the Lords day. Fall of 1914 which ctr witnessed. He then about 2 years later fell asleep. As he stated more than once he had what he believed was present truth. The revealing of something previously unknown. REVELATION
Why would ctr have a hard time understanding REVELATION? Because he only lived about 2 years into the Lord’s Day.
So the understanding of the revelation would start being reviled during the Lords day.Why does that cause a problem for bible students? Because their beliefs are in a book from the 1800s which had present truths, but was missing on much of what was coming.
Compare it to when Jesus died, he assured them something was coming. 33c.e. about 120 had it happen . But shortly after a man name Saul was persecuting the Christians. Then one day they heard Saul now Paul is one of us. This one then was used by God to write 14 books in the Greek scriptures to help bring the light in a more accurate teaching. Was he perfect? No, and he admits it. So then Rutherford leads the watch tower which brother ctr believed would continue with Jehovah’s blessing gets more thing unknown known. The great crowd. Unknown for 21 years after the beginning of the Lord’s day. Wow! It exploded with many blessings. But what about those who clung to the pre Lords day present truths? They lost out on all the new reveilings of previous unknown truths. Their lamps went out.They continue searching new watch towers looking for some oil to relight their lamps,but only find sand which keeps their lamps unlit. But those who moved forward with ctr,s watch tower are aglow the spirit, receiving bursts of new sacred secrets.
It doesnt have to be this way, and one can find countless accounts in the bible where people who ended up like that did not have to, if they would have just listened, and humbled themselves.
But as in all those biblical cases, it was their own personal decision to be where they are.
My feelings? Desire all to attain to repentance and find salvation in Jehovah!!!
Dave,
It doesn’t validate your case. Rev 19:1 “Great Crowd in heaven.” If I told you that I heard a scream in the house would you think it was not really in the house? No. Hmm
Dave Rev 5:13
“And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”
Nowhere does this show that that bgg great crowd is in heaven. Becasue Rev 19:1 says they are in heaven. Case closed.
Sorry. Nowhere does it show that thebyrrat crowd is on earth. Rev 19:1 says they are in heaven. Twist it with any other scripture but its very plain.
To Christopher John’s.
Then I saw three unclean spirits,like frogs come from the dragons mouth,the beast’s mouth and the mouth of the false prophet. These are demonic spirits that do signs. They go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for battle on the great day of God Almighty. (Look! I’m coming like a thief! Favored are those who stay awake and clothed so that they don’t go around naked and exposed to shame.) The spirits gathered them at the place that is called in Hebrew Harmagedom.
Catch the words awake and clothed.
Dictionary on robe, clothe someone in a robe. Rev. 7:9a great crowd–they whore
white robes.
Who are these people wearing white robes, and where did they come from?
These people have come out of great hardship.They have washed their robes and made they white in the Lamb’s blood. This is the reason they before God’s throne. They worship him day and night in his temple, and the One seated on the throne will shelter them. They won’t hunger or thirst anymore. No sun or scorching heat will beat down on them, because the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them. He will lead them to the springs of life giving water, and God will wipe away every tear in their eyes.
For you to say these millions of people fall short in worshipping Jehovah is not good. I hope at least one of you anointed will have a change of heart because when this group of PEOPLE come through the great tribulation there are things missing on earth?
What are they? The anointed will all be in heaven.
The beast and the false prophet also were. Rev.20:10Rev. 21:6 All human faithful people, To the thirsty I will freely give water from the life-giving stream.
That is all great crowd faithful and resurrected faithful.
Sorry That this is leaving all you anointed out. But all 144,000 and Jesus will help all those in their quest to be called my sons and daughters by Jehovah God. Rev.21:7
Should make it there I thank Jesus and the 144,000 and all humans who helped me make it.
Dave
Dave,
Yet again. Where did Jesus ever show a Christian an earthly hope? He didnt. Which is why you always point to Isaiah and psalms for an earthly hope. Rev 19:1 “GREAT crowd in heaven” twist it any way you want bud. It says what it says Psalms shows The virgin companions going INTO THE PALACE with the Bride. Super simple. Only the anointed can see the truth.
Dave,
Yes millions fall short. The way us called NARROW and FEW are the ones finding it. Many don’t make it. Remember the foolish virgins. They didnt make. But they were all one group and some fell asleep and didnt make it. Theh make up the great company.
Dave
Jesus and the 144,000 didnt help you make anyhring. Show me where jesus offered an earthly hope to anyone. You cant. Because he didnt. You’re bringing a false gospel. That’s why an earthly hope didnt come about until 1935. Purely an invention of Rutherfords.
Thank you for your thoughts.You have a problem with your thinking, let me share.
Will get back to you with it got to run, in coming message.
Dave,
Rutherford built a mansion called Beth Sarim becasue be taught in 1925 that the ancient worthies were going to return and live in San Diego. Anyone with a right mind saw he built the mansion for himself. He was a huge drunk and condemned so many ti second death. You think there us freedom in christ in the WTS? Ok. Go to the elders and disagree with a doctrine and see how fast you’ll get in trouble. My good sir that is Christendom. The WTS has made you a slave to organization. I know the WTS history. If you on Only search watchtower publications of course they’re not going to tell you the whole truth about their history. Why do you think that the watch towers so against you watching anything that is set against the Jehovah’s witnesses on the TV? Because it’s true. If it was false and they would say well you can research it and find out that they’re wrong. But they only want you searching their publications. yhe WTS is a cult.
Dave
The great crowd are anointed that didn’t make it. If no man can number the great crowd then your organization is wrong in showing how many there. Jesus never had a two class salvation system, Purely an invention of Rutherford. And we don’t need a great crowd with the Bible Student’s. Because it’s not a class that anybody’s been called to. Why do you think Jesus always talked about the heavens because he never promised earth his followers.