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{ Thanks friend. Yes, I agree there is no connections. We are willing to discuss honest criticism, however anyone who claims a connection with Freemasonry has... } – Jan 17, 12:13 PM
{ There's no connection between Freemasonry and JW's. This taken from Massimo Introvigne book, “Freemasonry and New Religious Movements,” [«Ελευθεροτεκτονισμός και Νέα Θρησκευτικά Κινήματα»], pp./σσ. 306-318,... } – Jan 16, 7:57 AM
{ Hey Rodrigo, Yes our numbers are going down. We believe it is due the bride being complete. The Truth is not for the world during... } – Jan 04, 3:58 PM
{ Yes I was a Ministerial Servant and the Building Project of I was involved in to the point of Seeing out of code building Let's... } – Dec 02, 9:02 AM
{ Back in the 90s I was contacted by one of their leaders. They found my website and began corresponding with me. They are of course... } – Nov 26, 9:16 PM
{ Hi Roy - Some Bible Students have had friendly contact with this group. Our main focus of course is our own personal relationship with our... } – Nov 24, 8:53 AM
{ Not much affected, since they are another group, and they have very little presence in Russia, way less than the JW's } – Nov 20, 9:37 AM
{ Yes, I also discovered that, I find it really interesting since this group has been dropping in numbers as they don't preach in the same... } – Nov 20, 9:35 AM
{ Annelie - Thanks. That is an excellent questions! It is great to have a deep thinker of scripture to have a discussion with. Let me... } – Sep 25, 8:03 AM
{ am i missing something?...a resurrection,means you have to die first,before you get resurrected,and only then is it possible,to die a second death,unless you are of... } – Sep 24, 9:54 PM
{ Thank you Richard for your reply .will get back about family name . } – Aug 07, 2:42 PM
{ Thank you Rolando for your reply . } – Aug 07, 2:41 PM
{ Thank you Peter for your reply .I will get back to comment on some other doctrines.i do favour the Bible students for their kind responses... } – Aug 07, 2:40 PM
{ Hello John,I was a JW For over 40 years in Australia.I found the Bible Students in 2010,& Have never Looked back since!We have Bretheren all... } – Jul 30, 12:29 AM
{ Hi John, as Peter mentioned, Bible Students are not dogmatic when it comes to certain beliefs. These are things or subjects that YOU have to... } – Jul 29, 9:03 PM
{ Thanks John. I am glad you are open to the Christian liberty of personal Bible study and honest freedom of thought. Your studies on Michael... } – Jul 29, 12:42 PM
{ I am faded out of jws after 50 years in the WT.one of the main reasons is the way Jesus has been pushed out and... } – Jul 29, 12:04 PM
{ There is a man who is telling the truth. } – Jul 13, 8:08 AM
{ I guess you didnt feel the need to reply Roy.... Psa 146:3 - it would do you well brother to read it. } – Jul 11, 6:36 AM
{ Doug, the Watchtower would expect complete obedience when you join. in fact before baptism, you will sit down with the elders while they ask you... } – Jul 08, 4:44 PM
{ RR, I see what you mean about that. I am scared that if I would get into the JW I would get disfelloshipped early on.... } – Jul 06, 6:36 AM
{ RR, Thank you for providing insight on that. Doug } – Jul 06, 4:55 AM
{ Doug, those "141 rules" are not Jehovah's Witness rules that you will find in any of their publication. They are rules that some former JW... } – Jul 05, 6:53 PM
{ RR, I sent you my email address. Doug } – Jul 03, 7:49 PM
{ RR, I meant rules like the 141 rules of the JW. Where they try to run your life. Doug } – Jul 03, 7:30 PM
{ Doug I don't have your e-mail, but you can e-mail me at RR144@aim.com } – Jul 03, 2:10 PM
{ Hi Doug, may I ask where these "rules" are? As already mentioned. Bible Students as a whole do not have rules to abide by. We... } – Jul 03, 1:31 PM
{ Thank you again. That is great to know! Right now I am searching for a Bible Student group to be a part of and maybe... } – Jul 03, 9:17 AM
{ No Doug,The only rules we have are in Gods word, "All scripture is inspired" If it is not in gods word,then we cannot invent rules... } – Jul 03, 7:47 AM
{ Richard, Thank you very much for this! I did not realize that. I have another question. Do you know if the Bible Student Movement different... } – Jul 03, 4:59 AM
{ Hello Doug,Welcome from Australian Bible Students.The Bible students have just released a new Bible called the RVIC(Which Stands for revised version Improved & corrected)Bro Peter... } – Jul 02, 6:41 PM
{ Thank you for the info. Does anyone know what the best bible to use and read for this belief? } – Jul 02, 5:00 PM
{ Doug - Bible Students do provide baptism services which are requested and planned for in advance. Most who have become Bible Students are baptized again... } – Jul 02, 10:20 AM
{ Thank you Peter for the email. I work M-F during the day. I do have a question, can one be baptized into the bible student... } – Jul 02, 6:48 AM
{ Doug - Rolando as a former JW and researcher knows a lot. You are also welcome to give me a call. I will email you... } – Jul 02, 4:41 AM
{ Hello Peter K. and RR, A rep. from the central Ohio group, www.biblestudents.com, did get in touch with me today and he said there are... } – Jul 01, 5:00 PM
{ I rolled my eyes at every meetings, too often from the podium. LOL } – Jul 01, 4:39 PM
{ Doug - http://www.biblestudents.com/ is based in Ohio and if you contact them, they should be able to direct you to the nearest study group. However,... } – Jul 01, 3:33 PM
{ Hi Doug, There are Bible Students in the Ohio area. Not sure about Loveland/Cincinnati. I could check, I know we have brethren in the Columbus... } – Jul 01, 2:43 PM
{ Hello. I am very interested in the Bible Student beliefs and believing in Jehovah in this way. I just do not want to join the... } – Jul 01, 5:14 AM
{ Interesting RR. I did not know that. By todays JW Organization standards, the older JW organization had been demonstrating apostate behavior by providing the old... } – Jun 26, 9:01 AM
{ Yes, 1927 was the last edition published by the society. However the Society continued to offer the volumes well into the 1960s. Throughout the 1930s,... } – Jun 25, 7:05 PM
{ Sr. Sharon G. We have lot's of evidence of an earthly kingdom in various scriptures. Revelation 21 seems clear that the New Jerusalem comes down... } – May 31, 8:59 AM
{ Jeff, we have an xJW in our class who wanted NEW testament scripture that said anything about the New Jerusalem being on earth as well... } – May 29, 2:29 AM
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{ Welcome Jackie - Feel free to share your thoughts or ask questions. This is an open forum. } – Apr 14, 5:55 AM
{ Jackie, Good morning. Are you associated with the JEHOVAH'S witnesses? } – Apr 12, 11:15 AM
{ Just found your website. Looking forward to learn more from it. Jackie } – Apr 12, 10:50 AM
{ Dave, The Judge was dismissed by Russell. Rutherford used legal moves to dismiss his board members and replaced them vote him in. He took the... } – Apr 09, 12:04 PM
{ To Christopher John's and any who think the judge didnt do a great job for brother Russell, please read 5346,page 335. Also read Ezra 4:7... } – Apr 09, 8:39 AM
{ To Gasa Your article about a year ago. Do you have an update on any of that. Seeing how things have drastically changed? } – Apr 05, 1:40 PM
{ Dave, Yes we have three here a year in our area but there is at least one convention a weekend all year. We have the... } – Mar 31, 7:54 AM
{ Thank you Criss.Do you ever hold your conventions . } – Mar 31, 7:45 AM
{ Dave, one thing you have to know about the Bible students. We each have different views. The speaker may not have know who it was... } – Mar 31, 7:22 AM
{ To Christopher John's. Because of the cowincedence, would like to share this with you. Was listening to Bible Students convention 2018 on Armageddon. They mentioned... } – Mar 31, 7:08 AM
{ To Christopher John's. Let's hold on to the confession of our hope without wavering, because the one who made the promises is reliable. Heb.10:23 } – Mar 30, 7:42 PM
{ Thank you for your time Criss. The difference between you and me is. You accept one humans many errors. And I accept many humans errors.... } – Mar 30, 4:19 PM
{ Dave, I'm going to leave this hear. It's clear your whole intention is to be correct. I was a JW so I know your mentality.... } – Mar 30, 2:25 PM
{ Dave, Why dont you google the Australian Royal Commission when Geoffrey was on the stand and said that its presumptuous to believe that only you... } – Mar 30, 2:23 PM
{ Dave So his light got brighter on 1925? 1975, Evaul slave class? Faithful servant was all anointed? Organ transplants are cannibalism? 1914 was "this generation"... } – Mar 30, 2:21 PM
{ To Christopher John's THIS IS A FACT. Vol IV pages 544,545, three times it ask who this army is. He had it wrong back then... } – Mar 30, 2:15 PM
{ Dave, We hand out tracts and have witnessing booths and we have many traveling brothers and sisters that visit all over the world. We are... } – Mar 30, 11:25 AM
{ To Christopher John's. Ad in back of book THE WATCH TOWER And Herald of Christ Presence This journal should regularly visit all who have the... } – Mar 30, 11:10 AM
{ Sorry Volume 2 Parallel Dispensations. } – Mar 30, 11:04 AM
{ Dave, If you read Volume 3 on Parallel Disoensations youd know the answer to your question. Dont know what any of this had to do... } – Mar 30, 11:02 AM
{ Here are some verses ctr uses on page 528 VOL IV. Rev. 16:14; Zeph:3:8 ;Isa. 13:4; rev. 16:18; Heb. 12:26. All the proud and all... } – Mar 30, 11:01 AM
{ Dave, The overlapping of the Gospel Age with the Jewish Age is a parallel between the Overoapping of the GOSPEL age and the Messianic age.... } – Mar 30, 11:00 AM
{ To Christopher John's. Going to let Pastor Russell answer that question 20 years later. None need be surprised to find that some of its statements,... } – Mar 30, 10:06 AM
{ To Christopher John's. 1897 . It relates to the closing epoch of this Gospel Age, the overlapping between it and the New Dispensation. Please answer,... } – Mar 30, 9:56 AM
{ Dave, Then you’re whole religion falls a apart because your religion teaches that those who didn’t believe will come back. Dave all I’m going to... } – Mar 30, 6:22 AM
{ To Christopher John's. John chapter 3. Who ever doesnt believe in him is already judged, because they dont believe in the name of God's only... } – Mar 30, 5:01 AM
{ Dave, It is fair that adam hers another trial. That's the whole ransom. Jesus became a man to redeem man. Not demons and Angel's. } – Mar 29, 5:32 PM
{ Dave, Hebrews 6:4 is proof that only the anointed are on trial!!! Not the world of mankind. Read it. Ate you saying the world of... } – Mar 29, 5:31 PM
{ Dave incorrect. Many means all proof Romans 5:19 "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinner" Are you... } – Mar 29, 5:28 PM
{ Dave, Yes he is aware they will be destroyed. At the end I'd the millennium because they will be locked away for the millennium. Tye... } – Mar 29, 5:27 PM
{ To Christopher John's. The word many which about 25 translations I checked all use Jesus word many. And my English dictionary gave me the meaning---... } – Mar 29, 4:38 PM
{ To Christopher John's. On that one demon did you notice he is aware he and his cohorts will be destroyed. Removed from existence. Adam and... } – Mar 29, 4:16 PM
{ All those scriptures you showed are about demons. When is the appointed time? At the end of the millennium becasue they will be locked away... } – Mar 29, 2:39 PM
{ The method that sounds like satan hmmm lemme see Bible- "I am the way the truth shall the life no one comes to the father... } – Mar 29, 2:35 PM
{ Dave, Jesus died as a corresponding price and ransom for ADAM. Adam will come back. All means all. Not majority not some, not most. All.... } – Mar 29, 2:31 PM
{ To Christopher John's. Didn't say all Rutherford taught was wrong. I simply used Lucifer which brother Russell was wrong on also. And I new you... } – Mar 29, 2:10 PM
{ Dave, The ransom is for ALL. Many means ALL. Let me prove that to you Romans 5:19 "For just as through the disobedience of the... } – Mar 29, 1:27 PM
{ Dave, If most of what Rutherford taught has been changed since his death then why would it have been wrong for the bible students to... } – Mar 29, 1:23 PM
{ To Christopher John's. Thank you for the reply. I have looked at the spiritual thing that took place. Have most of the books that came... } – Mar 29, 10:30 AM
{ Dave, There's a difference between messing up and being truly repentant and what Rutherford did. He was dismissed by Russell. Then he used his legal... } – Mar 29, 6:57 AM
{ Dave, Judge Rutherford had many women and died from falling down drunk. After his death his wife spoke about all of this. Look up facts... } – Mar 29, 6:43 AM
{ To Christopher John's. Third Judge Rutherford. What an honor to work in the preaching with someone who was baptized while the Judge was still alive.... } – Mar 29, 3:52 AM
{ To Christopher John's. King David, no need to mention the mistakes that he made. Highlight the fact he was one of 6 good kings out... } – Mar 29, 3:16 AM
{ Dave, Rutherford knew what he was doing. He took over and changed it into a high control group. Sorry freedom is in Christ. Not fear... } – Mar 28, 9:53 PM
{ Thank you Criss. Will start will King Solomon. Blessed by Jehovah with wisdom I fail to fully, not even close grasp . But in reading... } – Mar 28, 9:34 PM
{ Dave, We believe Rutherford was part of the evil servant. He took freedom in christ and made you have to obey an organization. Smh. } – Mar 28, 7:07 PM
{ To Christopher John's. Atrocities!!! 1. King David 2. King Solomon 3. Judge Rutherford Rank them in order and why. } – Mar 28, 6:02 PM
{ Dave, Again where did jesus offer a two class system? The earth is for restored world of mankind and those who lived before pentecost. Jesus... } – Mar 28, 11:22 AM
{ Sorry. Nowhere does it show that thebyrrat crowd is on earth. Rev 19:1 says they are in heaven. Twist it with any other scripture but... } – Mar 28, 11:20 AM
{ Dave Rev 5:13 "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea,... } – Mar 28, 11:19 AM
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To Christopher John’s.
Thank you for the reply. I have looked at the spiritual thing that took place. Have most of the books that came out during that time, Read show all watch towers. And seen where the light got brighter after he passed . One simple example is Lucifer is mentioned in at least 1 of his books. The light getting brighter has shown Isaiah was referring to Babylon king. And Ezekiel account nit about Lucifer. But those cases had I been living them would have me believing that by mistake also. Just like if I was living when ctr believed the 6000 years ended 1873 or 1874 . Those inaccuracies could but should not have affected a persons love for Jehovah.
And living in a world now, where we are bombarded with fake news, my choice is to consider King David, murder, adultery , little baby died because of it. What his wife said, may be true and may not . Same thing that faces me with what ctr,s wife said about him.Again my look is at the spiritual things. Some real basic truths they taught, preaching, bible standard of living, love encouragement, no hell fire, no immortal soul, the soul is the living person, no trinity, etc .
If a person said, the bible is from God,but they refuse to support a religion because of what King David did , that would be a reason. Now you might ask how did that person believe the bible is from God? 40 to 41 men over 1600 years. Hundreds of prophecies fulfilled. People tried to burn them all but it survived. Many claim to go by it but that person sees how they live. Matthew 7:21-23; 7:13,14.
So now where we live you can here a news report given to millions. The next day another source shows it was a lie . But the damage was done because of most of those millions they never had there news say we made a mistake so they go on believing it. I have heard many bad things on ctr and the judge but dont have to worry. A man has been put in charge of the judgement Jesus Christ. Of coarse he is a spirit now. 1 Peter 3:18
So where i disagree with you is the ransom . Matthew 20:28 says he died for many.
The meaning is the majority of people, the greater number.
Let me explain, 100, but 1 did the unforgivable sin before Jesus died.
Also 1 did the unforgettable sin after Jesus died.
That leaves the majority 98 to the 2 minority. So later when a bible write says all, the all is referring to the majority .
All-the extent cover all of the many .
Clear English, but again with a false slant is easily twisted to a misunderstanding.
Dave,
If most of what Rutherford taught has been changed since his death then why would it have been wrong for the bible students to have seen that it was wrong to begin with and label them the evil slave class? Are they just to follow him into error just because? No. And you havent read most of the WT because you’d see that Jesus is a ransom for ALL. You’d see the churches share in the sin offering and that the world of mankind it not on trial now. The Gospel Age is for the development of the church and the millennium is for the world. I know that you have not read all of the watchtowers and not shipped everyone off into second death before the worlds trial had even started. If you read most of the watchtowers you’d see the in the tabernacle the camp (world of mankind) was not even dealt with when the consecration of the priesthood was underway. It was AFTER the seven days of the sacrifices that they went out the bless the camp. But JWs have become like christendom in saying the world is on trial now. If you want to place a blind person on trial because they cant see you’ve in effect become christendom. Plain and simple.
Dave,
The ransom is for ALL. Many means ALL. Let me prove that to you
Romans 5:19
“For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners.”
I’m sorry but are the majority sinners? No ALL. JWs love to show “ransom for many” and then not show “Ransom for ALL”
1 Tim 2:6
Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
To Christopher John’s.
Third Judge Rutherford. What an honor to work in the preaching with someone who was baptized while the Judge was still alive. A person with children and grandchildren serving Jehovah God.
To think of those with Rutherford syndrome, just like those with trump syndrome . True both men are imperfect, so if you want to go against them, you have that freedom. But when looking at what Jehovah has done for his people it is Him that all worshippers give glory, and of coarse being friends with His Son Jesus Christ. Matthew 11:27; John 14:6
Dave,
Judge Rutherford had many women and died from falling down drunk. After his death his wife spoke about all of this. Look up facts and no fantasy brother. He built that mansion Beth Sarim for himself. Drove two cadillacs in the great depression off the donations of the brethren. Sorry. Nothing will convince me that he was anything but a conman.
To Christopher John’s.
King David, no need to mention the mistakes that he made. Highlight the fact he was one of 6 good kings out of about 42 or so. True repentance, the words cut to the heart, for having sinned badly against Jehovah. The man was a true leader for Jehovah Ezekiel 37:24 My servant David will be there king and they will all have one shepherd. They will walk in my judicial decisions and carefully observe my statutes. Read Luke 1:32 then read Daniel 7:13,14.
Not sure how many times David’s name is used in prophecy of Jesus, but what a honor. And yet for a person who reads the bible but doesnt see the good over the bad, they will go, I’m going to do it all my way because of one man and they leave off following the things they learned, and twist them to their liking or chosing.2 Peter 3:16
Dave,
There’s a difference between messing up and being truly repentant and what Rutherford did. He was dismissed by Russell. Then he used his legal knowledge to dismiss those who held shares and put his people in and voting him in as president. He used donations to build himself a mansion and bought so much alcohol and had many women. They will tell you ge died of colon cancer but eye witnesses will tell you otherwise. He was not a good man at all. And it’s not Rutherford syndrome. He took freedom ij Christ and made you have to obey an organization. He changed the Ransom for All into “believe no or die in Armageddon”. If you knew anything about what the bible students taught youd see that we we would be going into christendom to have to obey they watchtower or die in Armageddon. Nk different than the catholic church. Control.
Thank you Criss.
Will start will King Solomon. Blessed by Jehovah with wisdom I fail to fully, not even close grasp . But in reading Deuteronomy 17:17-20 there is wisdom which even myself can understand. Which to some up by not following that, even with all the wisdom given we see the following. 1 Kings 11:7 Deuteronomy 17:19 he must observe all his words.
What do I learn from it? With Jesus using the faithful slave and other sheep in declaring the goodness, my life was blessed as they helped me learn many things about Jehovah. But Jesus saw individuals leave. John Chapter 6. Paul said he wept over many who left. John showed very weak ones in the congregations Chapters 2,3.
And ctr saw many fall away, including his wife. Every president that followed saw fall aways. But in Vol VI ctr showed not to fellowship with those who came under Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-31
So to see men with knowledge in the scriptures leave ctr and the following presidents it just tells me, it will be that way right to Armageddon. And my thanks goes to all starting with Jehovah God and down for giving me this.
Since we have such a hope, we are using such great greenest of speach, and not doing what Moses did when he would put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel might not gaze intently at the end of what was to be done away with. But their minds were dulled. For to this present day, the same veil remains uplifted when the old covenant is read, because it is taken away only by means of Christ. In fact, to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies upon their hearts. But when one turns to Jehovah, the veil is taken away. Now Jehovah is the Spirit, and where the spirit of Jehovah is,there is freedom. And all of us,with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, exactly as it is done by Jehovah the Spirit.
Thank you Jehovah God for that freedom.
Dave,
Rutherford knew what he was doing. He took over and changed it into a high control group. Sorry freedom is in Christ. Not fear of Armageddon for disobeying an organization. Sorry.
To Christopher John’s.
Atrocities!!!
1. King David
2. King Solomon
3. Judge Rutherford
Rank them in order and why.
Dave,
We believe Rutherford was part of the evil servant. He took freedom in christ and made you have to obey an organization. Smh.
Dave,
Again where did jesus offer a two class system? The earth is for restored world of mankind and those who lived before pentecost. Jesus never taught about and earthly hope for his followers. Nowhere do we see non-partakers of a memorial. Nowhere do we see them going out to the public and inviting them fo the memorial. All WTS.
To Christopher John’s.
Rev. 5:13 validates my case.
In heaven. Note who they were saying it to. To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb.
Read the different ones saying it, things that physically will never be in heaven, the sound and praise can make it to heaven but not the material objects. And we no no real animal creatures are not in heaven. This is in signs for the Lords day. Fall of 1914 which ctr witnessed. He then about 2 years later fell asleep. As he stated more than once he had what he believed was present truth. The revealing of something previously unknown. REVELATION
Why would ctr have a hard time understanding REVELATION? Because he only lived about 2 years into the Lord’s Day.
So the understanding of the revelation would start being reviled during the Lords day.Why does that cause a problem for bible students? Because their beliefs are in a book from the 1800s which had present truths, but was missing on much of what was coming.
Compare it to when Jesus died, he assured them something was coming. 33c.e. about 120 had it happen . But shortly after a man name Saul was persecuting the Christians. Then one day they heard Saul now Paul is one of us. This one then was used by God to write 14 books in the Greek scriptures to help bring the light in a more accurate teaching. Was he perfect? No, and he admits it. So then Rutherford leads the watch tower which brother ctr believed would continue with Jehovah’s blessing gets more thing unknown known. The great crowd. Unknown for 21 years after the beginning of the Lord’s day. Wow! It exploded with many blessings. But what about those who clung to the pre Lords day present truths? They lost out on all the new reveilings of previous unknown truths. Their lamps went out.They continue searching new watch towers looking for some oil to relight their lamps,but only find sand which keeps their lamps unlit. But those who moved forward with ctr,s watch tower are aglow the spirit, receiving bursts of new sacred secrets.
It doesnt have to be this way, and one can find countless accounts in the bible where people who ended up like that did not have to, if they would have just listened, and humbled themselves.
But as in all those biblical cases, it was their own personal decision to be where they are.
My feelings? Desire all to attain to repentance and find salvation in Jehovah!!!
Dave,
It doesn’t validate your case. Rev 19:1 “Great Crowd in heaven.” If I told you that I heard a scream in the house would you think it was not really in the house? No. Hmm
Dave Rev 5:13
“And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”
Nowhere does this show that that bgg great crowd is in heaven. Becasue Rev 19:1 says they are in heaven. Case closed.
Sorry. Nowhere does it show that thebyrrat crowd is on earth. Rev 19:1 says they are in heaven. Twist it with any other scripture but its very plain.
To Christopher John’s.
Then I saw three unclean spirits,like frogs come from the dragons mouth,the beast’s mouth and the mouth of the false prophet. These are demonic spirits that do signs. They go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for battle on the great day of God Almighty. (Look! I’m coming like a thief! Favored are those who stay awake and clothed so that they don’t go around naked and exposed to shame.) The spirits gathered them at the place that is called in Hebrew Harmagedom.
Catch the words awake and clothed.
Dictionary on robe, clothe someone in a robe. Rev. 7:9a great crowd–they whore
white robes.
Who are these people wearing white robes, and where did they come from?
These people have come out of great hardship.They have washed their robes and made they white in the Lamb’s blood. This is the reason they before God’s throne. They worship him day and night in his temple, and the One seated on the throne will shelter them. They won’t hunger or thirst anymore. No sun or scorching heat will beat down on them, because the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them. He will lead them to the springs of life giving water, and God will wipe away every tear in their eyes.
For you to say these millions of people fall short in worshipping Jehovah is not good. I hope at least one of you anointed will have a change of heart because when this group of PEOPLE come through the great tribulation there are things missing on earth?
What are they? The anointed will all be in heaven.
The beast and the false prophet also were. Rev.20:10Rev. 21:6 All human faithful people, To the thirsty I will freely give water from the life-giving stream.
That is all great crowd faithful and resurrected faithful.
Sorry That this is leaving all you anointed out. But all 144,000 and Jesus will help all those in their quest to be called my sons and daughters by Jehovah God. Rev.21:7
Should make it there I thank Jesus and the 144,000 and all humans who helped me make it.
Dave
Dave,
Yet again. Where did Jesus ever show a Christian an earthly hope? He didnt. Which is why you always point to Isaiah and psalms for an earthly hope. Rev 19:1 “GREAT crowd in heaven” twist it any way you want bud. It says what it says Psalms shows The virgin companions going INTO THE PALACE with the Bride. Super simple. Only the anointed can see the truth.
Dave,
Yes millions fall short. The way us called NARROW and FEW are the ones finding it. Many don’t make it. Remember the foolish virgins. They didnt make. But they were all one group and some fell asleep and didnt make it. Theh make up the great company.
Dave
Jesus and the 144,000 didnt help you make anyhring. Show me where jesus offered an earthly hope to anyone. You cant. Because he didnt. You’re bringing a false gospel. That’s why an earthly hope didnt come about until 1935. Purely an invention of Rutherfords.
Thank you for your thoughts.You have a problem with your thinking, let me share.
Will get back to you with it got to run, in coming message.
Dave,
Rutherford built a mansion called Beth Sarim becasue be taught in 1925 that the ancient worthies were going to return and live in San Diego. Anyone with a right mind saw he built the mansion for himself. He was a huge drunk and condemned so many ti second death. You think there us freedom in christ in the WTS? Ok. Go to the elders and disagree with a doctrine and see how fast you’ll get in trouble. My good sir that is Christendom. The WTS has made you a slave to organization. I know the WTS history. If you on Only search watchtower publications of course they’re not going to tell you the whole truth about their history. Why do you think that the watch towers so against you watching anything that is set against the Jehovah’s witnesses on the TV? Because it’s true. If it was false and they would say well you can research it and find out that they’re wrong. But they only want you searching their publications. yhe WTS is a cult.
Dave
The great crowd are anointed that didn’t make it. If no man can number the great crowd then your organization is wrong in showing how many there. Jesus never had a two class salvation system, Purely an invention of Rutherford. And we don’t need a great crowd with the Bible Student’s. Because it’s not a class that anybody’s been called to. Why do you think Jesus always talked about the heavens because he never promised earth his followers.