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  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Yes the bride, the little flock. Luke 11:32 But I saw another dave not me left a message, Rev. 19 Jesus and... } – Mar 21, 8:52 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Your question, how will these priests rule over these people if their destroyed or are in hell? Rev. 20:4-6 Note where it... } – Mar 21, 8:44 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave. Pf course. However we see that God is calling a bride. He isnt calling the world. That's why we are called a little flock.... } – Mar 21, 8:41 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Acts 17:30 reads, God overlooks these things in times past, but now directs everyone everywhere to change their hearts and lives. } – Mar 21, 8:30 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave. The world is not on trial. The scriptures confirm this. God was only dealing with Israel. Now hes opened it up to the gentiles... } – Mar 21, 7:03 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's Only church is on trial. Matthew 24:24 False Christ's and false prophets will appear, and they will offer great signs and wonders... } – Mar 21, 6:17 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Marc on trinity. 1. Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. That's a couple that gets married. The rest of... } – Mar 21, 6:02 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Kevin, That is very interesting. And true. That's why nearly 75% of the Bible students left the organization that Rutherford created. I think the biggest... } – Mar 18, 10:58 AM
  • User AvatarKevin Anthony { Rutherford left the path of truth that Brother Russell laid down. Simple as that. Anyone running for the High Calling in Christ would have recognized... } – Mar 18, 8:39 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { John, Let's review part of 1 Corinthians 7 Married Couples 1 Cor 7:10-11 10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the... } – Mar 10, 7:48 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello John,Interesting what you had to say-But The Son of God Said in Mathew 19:7-9 (This really explains the Situation) "They said to him: "Why,then,did... } – Mar 09, 8:44 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034, Thanks. Doesn't Dan 12:4 mean that the book of Daniel could not be understood until the time of the end when Michael stands up?... } – Mar 03, 2:57 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { Peter K The greatest action is the removal of the Devil, everything is secondary to his power in the human world, such as world government.... } – Mar 03, 2:40 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034 You answered my question Do you believe Michael is yet to stand up in the future? Your answer: FUTURE You did NOT answered my... } – Mar 03, 7:42 AM
  • User Avatar2034 { Clarification: This "Michael" Devil confrontation of the future, is the chained-abyssed-sealed imprisoning of Satan. Rev20:13, after he conquers world government as Rev19:19-21, at the full... } – Mar 02, 6:43 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { I think realistically Jesus will be performing a perfect final "presence" and eventual full manifestation after he secures all savable humans. That final timeframe, when... } – Mar 02, 6:26 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { Correction: Daniel 11:40-45, not Daniel 11:4-45 } – Mar 02, 4:49 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { Yes, I believe the "Michael" appearance is when demons are also being confronted, as in Revelation 12. Daniel 11:4-45 is the King South "7th King"... } – Mar 02, 4:48 PM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { Richard, I don't have the exact date, but it was in the early 80s in the Bronx. It was a special talk given on a... } – Feb 29, 9:22 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { RR-When and where was that talk Given.Any one who would swallow that information would certainly have to be brainwashed,as most JWs are.Love to hear from... } – Feb 28, 6:42 PM
  • User AvatarRR { Yes Roy, that's what the Watchtower wants you to believe. Just like Carey Barber who visited our hall and gave a special talk told us... } – Feb 27, 8:07 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Many of them continue independently and view the Watchtower organization to have adopted doctrinal errors over the years. } – Feb 25, 10:03 AM
  • User AvatarRoy { Last thing I knew about this was that many of them assimilated into JW, as estimated 5000 in Moldova and probably the ones in other... } – Feb 25, 8:59 AM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { <> I've thought about that … I believe things would still be as they are. Probably wouldn't have Jehovah's Witnesses … but the splits in... } – Feb 23, 5:53 PM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Thank you Rud, I believe what you have stated is correct and will detail out some of the evidence I have from both sides of... } – Feb 19, 11:29 AM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Thank you for the correction Randy. In my personal collection I have nearly a complete collection of studies in the Scriptures with a publish date... } – Feb 19, 11:25 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Exile- Thanks. Transparency, mutual respect and Christian liberty is the best way. } – Feb 19, 7:17 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Randy. We are always striving for accuracy. Can you share your source? } – Feb 19, 7:14 AM
  • User AvatarRandy Smith { Hello, I’d like to correct the suggestion that Russell’s Scripture Studies ceased to be published in 1924. The society in fact continued to publish them... } – Feb 18, 11:09 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Rud, Thanks for the good information. I am doing a little more digging myself now. Keep in mind that a lot of information Bible Students... } – Feb 18, 8:51 AM
  • User Avatarexile { Three or four years ago there was a WT study article that stated that annointed should not form private groups. That same article also warned... } – Feb 16, 8:25 PM
  • User AvatarChris J { Peter, When I was a Jw I partook my last two years. They didn’t say anything but that it was between me and God. } – Feb 16, 11:09 AM
  • User AvatarRud Persson { Laura Whitehouse was Isaac Hoskins´ sister-in-law. Eventually she came to live with the Hoskins. If she would tell people about Rutherord being dismissed she certainly... } – Feb 16, 9:58 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Rolando - Thanks for your comments on the January Watchtower study issue. I noticed the article lists many of the evidences of spirit begettal (anointing)... } – Feb 16, 6:14 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Terry - You can find the answer at this link. https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2012/09/08/75-of-the-original-bible-students-left-the-watchtower-by-1931/ } – Feb 13, 11:02 AM
  • User AvatarTerry Bernard { I am interested in where you get this figure: 75% of Bible Students who left the Watchtower because they would not follow J.F. Rutherford Someone... } – Feb 10, 11:25 AM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { The January 2020 issue of the Watchtower had this to say about anointed JW's https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines ... -with-you/ 7 Anointed Christians do not feel that they... } – Feb 09, 7:41 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Br. Jim - Around 1988 when I was in Palm Dessert California for a few months, Bro. Ken Thompson (over 90 years old) told... } – Feb 06, 5:48 AM
  • User AvatarJames Parkinson { I can add one thing. Laura Whitehouse was a signator to Bro. Russell's 1907 will. A relative of hers told me that she understood JFR... } – Feb 03, 10:01 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Br. Ronald - These quotes are more confirmation that Bible Student do not believe in control or abusive treatment over any other christian, but... } – Feb 01, 6:01 PM
  • User AvatarRonald Day { Some things Russell said about organization: There is no organization today clothed with authority. -- Watch Tower, September 1, 1893, page 262. A visible organization... } – Feb 01, 9:45 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034, Thanks for sharing your studies. Do you believe Michael is yet to stand up in the future? Do you believe the understanding of Danilel's... } – Jan 30, 7:12 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034 - Thanks. Do you believe angels and those remaining on earth after the Rev 20 thousand years and little season have immortality (as opposed... } – Jan 30, 7:04 AM
  • User Avatar2034 { The Daniel 12:11 1290 days of "8th King" World Government will also trigger the Christ arrival. And because he gathers the sheep first worldwide (Rev14:6-7),... } – Jan 27, 7:02 AM
  • User Avatar2034 { It appears Revelation 21 has Kingdom purposes for "coming down from heaven" to earth for humans. The one hope is immortality, the realm is heavenly... } – Jan 27, 6:58 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Rena. - It is our hope that with open and honest discussion (without fear) that we can reason together in love with each other... } – Jan 20, 8:33 AM
  • User AvatarRena Luecking aka Just Stay Sweet and Good { I agree Chris. the general attitude is not spiritual but combative these days. When people are attacked their "fight or flight" response kicks in. Our... } – Jan 19, 9:44 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Preach. So true. "today the larger percent of those who withdrew from so-called organized Christianity have turned aside and again gone back into the... } – Jan 14, 6:03 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Sky - Thanks for commenting. "God desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim 2:4. Thankfully God's... } – Dec 31, 10:42 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - I am going to assume you actually believe this scenario where over 99% of mankind goes to hell. I have two questions for... } – Dec 30, 2:48 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Br. Richard, I personally knew Sr. Marge since I was a teenager. Any comments I could make would not do justice in describing her kindness,... } – Dec 30, 7:26 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Br. Richard. I appreciate your support in making this book available. } – Dec 30, 7:17 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { No more from me Bro Peter.We have Listened.But the arguments of Scripture that Marc quoted do not in any way or form point to a... } – Dec 29, 10:45 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Brother Peter,We have plenty of the booklets,We had them reprinted.I have let G/Eagle know & asked him to e/mail me if he would like... } – Dec 29, 10:36 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Golden Eagle.If you send me your email details to rtazzyman@dodo.com.au I will send you a copy or copies.(No charge)Richard.Tazzyman,Bible Student Australia } – Dec 29, 10:34 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Another self righteous comment. It makes me think when a Christian calls someone a name and then uses the scripture of jesus calling the pharisees... } – Dec 29, 10:07 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { You did a great job rambling on but totally ignored Romans 9:18. } – Dec 29, 6:16 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, I could easily say the exact same thing to you about the Scriptures I have cited in the past and could just as easily... } – Dec 29, 6:15 PM
  • User AvatarSky { ""God wants to save only His elect – the rest not so (Romans 9:18)"" There is your first problem. With that attitude you become "first... } – Dec 29, 5:43 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Golden Eagle - This book is no longer in print, but you can download the book to your computer. } – Dec 29, 3:43 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Golden Eagle, I'm so sorry to hear about your family. So many have been damaged by the high control religion. I left the JWs when... } – Dec 29, 2:36 PM
  • User AvatarGolden Eagle { How do you get a copy of this book sent by mail ? } – Dec 29, 12:59 PM
  • User AvatarGolden Eagle { I have been reading all this as now it has all become confusing . So many doctrines have changed , as well as so many... } – Dec 29, 12:55 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - If you are not seriously going to consider the scriptures at the link than it is becoming clear this was never really a... } – Dec 29, 11:09 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { All incorrect. But you believe what you want. } – Dec 29, 9:05 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Some introductory thoughts. 1. God wants to save only His elect - the rest not so (Romans 9:18). 2. God will bless all people who... } – Dec 29, 7:14 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johnz { Marc doesnt want to see it. Jesus said he is ascending to his God. The Bible even says that the head of christ is God.... } – Dec 29, 6:33 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - We could continue debating the Trinity for months. I think it has gone on long enough. We have heard enough from you on... } – Dec 29, 6:00 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Christ's throne, "stands at the right hand of the Father's throne...or is even identical with it Rv 22:1, 3; cp. 3:21b (BDAG, 3rd Edition, thronos,... } – Dec 29, 5:46 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Marc,Read the scripture- two different people,two different thrones, you cannot ignore that. Otherwise you can twist any scripture to suit your teaching. Regards Richard.BS Australia. } – Dec 29, 5:20 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { And both the Father and the Lord Jesus on the the throne receive worship not fit for any created being (Revelation 5:12-13; 7:10, 15; 22:3). } – Dec 29, 4:31 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Bro Chris,As you stated,the scriptures do the talking-not us,we cannot change what Jesus said in Rev 3:21 "To the one who conquers I will... } – Dec 29, 1:14 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Chris, The good news (gospel) includes calling on the name of Jesus as being YHWH (Romans 10:8, 13) Apollos debated the Jews who denied that... } – Dec 29, 12:49 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc, Like we said. You believe what you want. I believe Jesus when he said "I Am ascending to my God." If they were both... } – Dec 28, 9:06 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc Apollos went to spread the good news of Jesus Christ. He ran into the Jews who wanted to argue and he debated them. You... } – Dec 28, 8:51 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { If there is something that exists in this site which says something like "if you disagree with us then don't post here" then I wouldn't... } – Dec 28, 8:19 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, 1. You asserted: Nothing in any of the various titles and descriptions of the holy Spirit substantiates the popular conception of the holy Spirit... } – Dec 28, 7:19 PM
  • User AvatarChris Jonns { Peter, Why are you still encouraging hi? Hes here to argue. He just calls its contending for the faith. When you search out those to... } – Dec 28, 7:16 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, 1. You asserted: Calling on the name of Jesus is the same as calling on the name of the LORD (YHWH) as Jesus is... } – Dec 28, 7:14 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc Your first proof: None of the scriptures you cited proved that Jesus was YHWH. I answered every one. So far your have zero scriptures... } – Dec 28, 4:38 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { If the Bible applied YHWH from the Old Testament unto the Lord Jesus just once that would be enough proof that He is YHWH. But... } – Dec 28, 6:54 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, If there were scriptures that clearly taught the Trinity, then at best we have a situation where Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 could be... } – Dec 28, 5:15 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, 1 Corinthians 1:2 is also uses the expression "call upon the name of the Lord" which is taken from Joel 2:32 and it is... } – Dec 27, 7:22 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, Consider this in response to your arguments about the Holy Spirit. Nothing in any of the various titles and descriptions of the holy Spirit... } – Dec 27, 6:37 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, This response is to your point #1 which is your evidence that the Lord Jesus is referred to as YHWH. First of all, we... } – Dec 27, 5:20 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Ok Peter. Sounds good. I meant 1 Peter 2:3 above not 1 Peter 2:4 - although the "Him" in verse 4 does indicate the "Lord"... } – Dec 26, 10:21 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Marc - We will take a look and get back to you when we can. I am presently at work for the next couple... } – Dec 26, 8:23 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hi Peter, 1. My previous arguments that the Lord Jesus is referred to as YHWH were not refuted. That is Old Testament passages where "YHWH"... } – Dec 26, 8:08 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - The absence of evidence in points 1-3 are valid arguments. Your rebuttal is worth considering with supporting evidence supplied. The fact that Trinity... } – Dec 26, 7:40 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, In response to your 4 points: 1. Just because a specific word does not appear is irrelevant. The Bible never uses the word "monotheism"... } – Dec 25, 5:43 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Bro. Richard, I like Marc. Sure he is is firm and convicted of his views, but he is also as respectful and polite as... } – Dec 25, 4:49 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Bro Peter,I just had to comment on your Post to Marc,You have been very Patient,loving and ; gone to great lengths to explain the... } – Dec 25, 4:39 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Hi Marc, The modern 20th century view is the Tri-unity does not accept historical views of the Trinity where the Father, Son and Holy Spirit... } – Dec 25, 9:57 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, I meant bodies in the sense of physical bodies. What is the difference between a Trinitarian and a Tri-unitarian? I ask because I couldn't... } – Dec 25, 5:45 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Thank you. Merry Christmas to you as well. } – Dec 24, 5:34 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Merry Christmas Marc. } – Dec 24, 5:23 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hi Peter, God knows His sheep and will protect all of His own (John 10:27-29). } – Dec 24, 4:13 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - Based on on what you believe the Bible teaches, your approach is honest and honorable, even if I do not believe you are... } – Dec 24, 8:13 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Thomas,As Bro Chris said we are bible Students,I was a JW for many over 40 years.I left in the very late 1980s due to... } – Dec 23, 10:03 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, I try to speak the truth in love. I am not going to sacrifice what the truth is - that wouldn't be a loving... } – Dec 23, 7:37 PM
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  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Thank you for the reply. I have looked at the spiritual thing that took place. Have most of the books that came out during that time, Read show all watch towers. And seen where the light got brighter after he passed . One simple example is Lucifer is mentioned in at least 1 of his books. The light getting brighter has shown Isaiah was referring to Babylon king. And Ezekiel account nit about Lucifer. But those cases had I been living them would have me believing that by mistake also. Just like if I was living when ctr believed the 6000 years ended 1873 or 1874 . Those inaccuracies could but should not have affected a persons love for Jehovah.
    And living in a world now, where we are bombarded with fake news, my choice is to consider King David, murder, adultery , little baby died because of it. What his wife said, may be true and may not . Same thing that faces me with what ctr,s wife said about him.Again my look is at the spiritual things. Some real basic truths they taught, preaching, bible standard of living, love encouragement, no hell fire, no immortal soul, the soul is the living person, no trinity, etc .

    If a person said, the bible is from God,but they refuse to support a religion because of what King David did , that would be a reason. Now you might ask how did that person believe the bible is from God? 40 to 41 men over 1600 years. Hundreds of prophecies fulfilled. People tried to burn them all but it survived. Many claim to go by it but that person sees how they live. Matthew 7:21-23; 7:13,14.
    So now where we live you can here a news report given to millions. The next day another source shows it was a lie . But the damage was done because of most of those millions they never had there news say we made a mistake so they go on believing it. I have heard many bad things on ctr and the judge but dont have to worry. A man has been put in charge of the judgement Jesus Christ. Of coarse he is a spirit now. 1 Peter 3:18

    So where i disagree with you is the ransom . Matthew 20:28 says he died for many.
    The meaning is the majority of people, the greater number.

    Let me explain, 100, but 1 did the unforgivable sin before Jesus died.
    Also 1 did the unforgettable sin after Jesus died.
    That leaves the majority 98 to the 2 minority. So later when a bible write says all, the all is referring to the majority .
    All-the extent cover all of the many .

    Clear English, but again with a false slant is easily twisted to a misunderstanding.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      If most of what Rutherford taught has been changed since his death then why would it have been wrong for the bible students to have seen that it was wrong to begin with and label them the evil slave class? Are they just to follow him into error just because? No. And you havent read most of the WT because you’d see that Jesus is a ransom for ALL. You’d see the churches share in the sin offering and that the world of mankind it not on trial now. The Gospel Age is for the development of the church and the millennium is for the world. I know that you have not read all of the watchtowers and not shipped everyone off into second death before the worlds trial had even started. If you read most of the watchtowers you’d see the in the tabernacle the camp (world of mankind) was not even dealt with when the consecration of the priesthood was underway. It was AFTER the seven days of the sacrifices that they went out the bless the camp. But JWs have become like christendom in saying the world is on trial now. If you want to place a blind person on trial because they cant see you’ve in effect become christendom. Plain and simple.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      The ransom is for ALL. Many means ALL. Let me prove that to you

      Romans 5:19
      “For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners.”

      I’m sorry but are the majority sinners? No ALL. JWs love to show “ransom for many” and then not show “Ransom for ALL”

      1 Tim 2:6
      Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Third Judge Rutherford. What an honor to work in the preaching with someone who was baptized while the Judge was still alive. A person with children and grandchildren serving Jehovah God.
    To think of those with Rutherford syndrome, just like those with trump syndrome . True both men are imperfect, so if you want to go against them, you have that freedom. But when looking at what Jehovah has done for his people it is Him that all worshippers give glory, and of coarse being friends with His Son Jesus Christ. Matthew 11:27; John 14:6

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Judge Rutherford had many women and died from falling down drunk. After his death his wife spoke about all of this. Look up facts and no fantasy brother. He built that mansion Beth Sarim for himself. Drove two cadillacs in the great depression off the donations of the brethren. Sorry. Nothing will convince me that he was anything but a conman.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    King David, no need to mention the mistakes that he made. Highlight the fact he was one of 6 good kings out of about 42 or so. True repentance, the words cut to the heart, for having sinned badly against Jehovah. The man was a true leader for Jehovah Ezekiel 37:24 My servant David will be there king and they will all have one shepherd. They will walk in my judicial decisions and carefully observe my statutes. Read Luke 1:32 then read Daniel 7:13,14.
    Not sure how many times David’s name is used in prophecy of Jesus, but what a honor. And yet for a person who reads the bible but doesnt see the good over the bad, they will go, I’m going to do it all my way because of one man and they leave off following the things they learned, and twist them to their liking or chosing.2 Peter 3:16

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      There’s a difference between messing up and being truly repentant and what Rutherford did. He was dismissed by Russell. Then he used his legal knowledge to dismiss those who held shares and put his people in and voting him in as president. He used donations to build himself a mansion and bought so much alcohol and had many women. They will tell you ge died of colon cancer but eye witnesses will tell you otherwise. He was not a good man at all. And it’s not Rutherford syndrome. He took freedom ij Christ and made you have to obey an organization. He changed the Ransom for All into “believe no or die in Armageddon”. If you knew anything about what the bible students taught youd see that we we would be going into christendom to have to obey they watchtower or die in Armageddon. Nk different than the catholic church. Control.

  • Dave

    Thank you Criss.

    Will start will King Solomon. Blessed by Jehovah with wisdom I fail to fully, not even close grasp . But in reading Deuteronomy 17:17-20 there is wisdom which even myself can understand. Which to some up by not following that, even with all the wisdom given we see the following. 1 Kings 11:7 Deuteronomy 17:19 he must observe all his words.

    What do I learn from it? With Jesus using the faithful slave and other sheep in declaring the goodness, my life was blessed as they helped me learn many things about Jehovah. But Jesus saw individuals leave. John Chapter 6. Paul said he wept over many who left. John showed very weak ones in the congregations Chapters 2,3.
    And ctr saw many fall away, including his wife. Every president that followed saw fall aways. But in Vol VI ctr showed not to fellowship with those who came under Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-31
    So to see men with knowledge in the scriptures leave ctr and the following presidents it just tells me, it will be that way right to Armageddon. And my thanks goes to all starting with Jehovah God and down for giving me this.
    Since we have such a hope, we are using such great greenest of speach, and not doing what Moses did when he would put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel might not gaze intently at the end of what was to be done away with. But their minds were dulled. For to this present day, the same veil remains uplifted when the old covenant is read, because it is taken away only by means of Christ. In fact, to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies upon their hearts. But when one turns to Jehovah, the veil is taken away. Now Jehovah is the Spirit, and where the spirit of Jehovah is,there is freedom. And all of us,with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, exactly as it is done by Jehovah the Spirit.
    Thank you Jehovah God for that freedom.

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      Rutherford knew what he was doing. He took over and changed it into a high control group. Sorry freedom is in Christ. Not fear of Armageddon for disobeying an organization. Sorry.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Atrocities!!!
    1. King David
    2. King Solomon
    3. Judge Rutherford

    Rank them in order and why.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      We believe Rutherford was part of the evil servant. He took freedom in christ and made you have to obey an organization. Smh.

  • Christopher Johns

    Dave,
    Again where did jesus offer a two class system? The earth is for restored world of mankind and those who lived before pentecost. Jesus never taught about and earthly hope for his followers. Nowhere do we see non-partakers of a memorial. Nowhere do we see them going out to the public and inviting them fo the memorial. All WTS.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Rev. 5:13 validates my case.
    In heaven. Note who they were saying it to. To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb.
    Read the different ones saying it, things that physically will never be in heaven, the sound and praise can make it to heaven but not the material objects. And we no no real animal creatures are not in heaven. This is in signs for the Lords day. Fall of 1914 which ctr witnessed. He then about 2 years later fell asleep. As he stated more than once he had what he believed was present truth. The revealing of something previously unknown. REVELATION
    Why would ctr have a hard time understanding REVELATION? Because he only lived about 2 years into the Lord’s Day.
    So the understanding of the revelation would start being reviled during the Lords day.Why does that cause a problem for bible students? Because their beliefs are in a book from the 1800s which had present truths, but was missing on much of what was coming.
    Compare it to when Jesus died, he assured them something was coming. 33c.e. about 120 had it happen . But shortly after a man name Saul was persecuting the Christians. Then one day they heard Saul now Paul is one of us. This one then was used by God to write 14 books in the Greek scriptures to help bring the light in a more accurate teaching. Was he perfect? No, and he admits it. So then Rutherford leads the watch tower which brother ctr believed would continue with Jehovah’s blessing gets more thing unknown known. The great crowd. Unknown for 21 years after the beginning of the Lord’s day. Wow! It exploded with many blessings. But what about those who clung to the pre Lords day present truths? They lost out on all the new reveilings of previous unknown truths. Their lamps went out.They continue searching new watch towers looking for some oil to relight their lamps,but only find sand which keeps their lamps unlit. But those who moved forward with ctr,s watch tower are aglow the spirit, receiving bursts of new sacred secrets.

    It doesnt have to be this way, and one can find countless accounts in the bible where people who ended up like that did not have to, if they would have just listened, and humbled themselves.

    But as in all those biblical cases, it was their own personal decision to be where they are.

    My feelings? Desire all to attain to repentance and find salvation in Jehovah!!!

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      It doesn’t validate your case. Rev 19:1 “Great Crowd in heaven.” If I told you that I heard a scream in the house would you think it was not really in the house? No. Hmm

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave Rev 5:13
      “And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”

      Nowhere does this show that that bgg great crowd is in heaven. Becasue Rev 19:1 says they are in heaven. Case closed.

      • Christopher Johns

        Sorry. Nowhere does it show that thebyrrat crowd is on earth. Rev 19:1 says they are in heaven. Twist it with any other scripture but its very plain.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    Then I saw three unclean spirits,like frogs come from the dragons mouth,the beast’s mouth and the mouth of the false prophet. These are demonic spirits that do signs. They go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for battle on the great day of God Almighty. (Look! I’m coming like a thief! Favored are those who stay awake and clothed so that they don’t go around naked and exposed to shame.) The spirits gathered them at the place that is called in Hebrew Harmagedom.
    Catch the words awake and clothed.
    Dictionary on robe, clothe someone in a robe. Rev. 7:9a great crowd–they whore
    white robes.

    Who are these people wearing white robes, and where did they come from?

    These people have come out of great hardship.They have washed their robes and made they white in the Lamb’s blood. This is the reason they before God’s throne. They worship him day and night in his temple, and the One seated on the throne will shelter them. They won’t hunger or thirst anymore. No sun or scorching heat will beat down on them, because the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them. He will lead them to the springs of life giving water, and God will wipe away every tear in their eyes.

    For you to say these millions of people fall short in worshipping Jehovah is not good. I hope at least one of you anointed will have a change of heart because when this group of PEOPLE come through the great tribulation there are things missing on earth?

    What are they? The anointed will all be in heaven.
    The beast and the false prophet also were. Rev.20:10Rev. 21:6 All human faithful people, To the thirsty I will freely give water from the life-giving stream.

    That is all great crowd faithful and resurrected faithful.

    Sorry That this is leaving all you anointed out. But all 144,000 and Jesus will help all those in their quest to be called my sons and daughters by Jehovah God. Rev.21:7

    Should make it there I thank Jesus and the 144,000 and all humans who helped me make it.

    Dave

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Yet again. Where did Jesus ever show a Christian an earthly hope? He didnt. Which is why you always point to Isaiah and psalms for an earthly hope. Rev 19:1 “GREAT crowd in heaven” twist it any way you want bud. It says what it says Psalms shows The virgin companions going INTO THE PALACE with the Bride. Super simple. Only the anointed can see the truth.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Yes millions fall short. The way us called NARROW and FEW are the ones finding it. Many don’t make it. Remember the foolish virgins. They didnt make. But they were all one group and some fell asleep and didnt make it. Theh make up the great company.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave
      Jesus and the 144,000 didnt help you make anyhring. Show me where jesus offered an earthly hope to anyone. You cant. Because he didnt. You’re bringing a false gospel. That’s why an earthly hope didnt come about until 1935. Purely an invention of Rutherfords.

  • Dave

    Thank you for your thoughts.You have a problem with your thinking, let me share.
    Will get back to you with it got to run, in coming message.

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      Rutherford built a mansion called Beth Sarim becasue be taught in 1925 that the ancient worthies were going to return and live in San Diego. Anyone with a right mind saw he built the mansion for himself. He was a huge drunk and condemned so many ti second death. You think there us freedom in christ in the WTS? Ok. Go to the elders and disagree with a doctrine and see how fast you’ll get in trouble. My good sir that is Christendom. The WTS has made you a slave to organization. I know the WTS history. If you on Only search watchtower publications of course they’re not going to tell you the whole truth about their history. Why do you think that the watch towers so against you watching anything that is set against the Jehovah’s witnesses on the TV? Because it’s true. If it was false and they would say well you can research it and find out that they’re wrong. But they only want you searching their publications. yhe WTS is a cult.

  • Chris Johns

    Dave
    The great crowd are anointed that didn’t make it. If no man can number the great crowd then your organization is wrong in showing how many there. Jesus never had a two class salvation system, Purely an invention of Rutherford. And we don’t need a great crowd with the Bible Student’s. Because it’s not a class that anybody’s been called to. Why do you think Jesus always talked about the heavens because he never promised earth his followers.

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