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  • User AvatarChris Johns { Well Dave. I hope you keep searching and God bless your studies. Im not going to argue with anyone in scripture. It gets nowhere. So... } – Mar 21, 9:24 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Grammar corrected. Dave, God wants us all to be saved. However he is only going to the gentiles to gather the rest of the bride.... } – Mar 21, 9:17 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, God wants us all to be saved. However he is only going to to the gentiles to gather the rest if the bride. Again... } – Mar 21, 9:15 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, God wants us all to be saved. However he is only going to to the gentiles to gather the rest if the bride. Again... } – Mar 21, 9:15 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. The spirit and bride are speaking to any who are willing to listen. Remember Acts 17:30 EVERYONE!!! EVERYWHERE!!! It is that simple,... } – Mar 21, 9:09 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, Yes there will be people who die in Armageddon. However your missing a huge chunk of the bible. All are going to be resurrected... } – Mar 21, 9:08 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. One more thought.Jesus referring to end times. Matthew 24:37-39 As it was in the time of Noah, so it will be in... } – Mar 21, 9:02 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, There have been so many viruses and when this passes then what? Was assume something else? The world will have their trial in the... } – Mar 21, 8:59 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Yes the bride, the little flock. Luke 11:32 But I saw another dave not me left a message, Rev. 19 Jesus and... } – Mar 21, 8:52 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Your question, how will these priests rule over these people if their destroyed or are in hell? Rev. 20:4-6 Note where it... } – Mar 21, 8:44 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave. Pf course. However we see that God is calling a bride. He isnt calling the world. That's why we are called a little flock.... } – Mar 21, 8:41 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Acts 17:30 reads, God overlooks these things in times past, but now directs everyone everywhere to change their hearts and lives. } – Mar 21, 8:30 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave. The world is not on trial. The scriptures confirm this. God was only dealing with Israel. Now hes opened it up to the gentiles... } – Mar 21, 7:03 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's Only church is on trial. Matthew 24:24 False Christ's and false prophets will appear, and they will offer great signs and wonders... } – Mar 21, 6:17 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Marc on trinity. 1. Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. That's a couple that gets married. The rest of... } – Mar 21, 6:02 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Kevin, That is very interesting. And true. That's why nearly 75% of the Bible students left the organization that Rutherford created. I think the biggest... } – Mar 18, 10:58 AM
  • User AvatarKevin Anthony { Rutherford left the path of truth that Brother Russell laid down. Simple as that. Anyone running for the High Calling in Christ would have recognized... } – Mar 18, 8:39 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { John, Let's review part of 1 Corinthians 7 Married Couples 1 Cor 7:10-11 10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the... } – Mar 10, 7:48 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello John,Interesting what you had to say-But The Son of God Said in Mathew 19:7-9 (This really explains the Situation) "They said to him: "Why,then,did... } – Mar 09, 8:44 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034, Thanks. Doesn't Dan 12:4 mean that the book of Daniel could not be understood until the time of the end when Michael stands up?... } – Mar 03, 2:57 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { Peter K The greatest action is the removal of the Devil, everything is secondary to his power in the human world, such as world government.... } – Mar 03, 2:40 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034 You answered my question Do you believe Michael is yet to stand up in the future? Your answer: FUTURE You did NOT answered my... } – Mar 03, 7:42 AM
  • User Avatar2034 { Clarification: This "Michael" Devil confrontation of the future, is the chained-abyssed-sealed imprisoning of Satan. Rev20:13, after he conquers world government as Rev19:19-21, at the full... } – Mar 02, 6:43 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { I think realistically Jesus will be performing a perfect final "presence" and eventual full manifestation after he secures all savable humans. That final timeframe, when... } – Mar 02, 6:26 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { Correction: Daniel 11:40-45, not Daniel 11:4-45 } – Mar 02, 4:49 PM
  • User Avatar2034 { Yes, I believe the "Michael" appearance is when demons are also being confronted, as in Revelation 12. Daniel 11:4-45 is the King South "7th King"... } – Mar 02, 4:48 PM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { Richard, I don't have the exact date, but it was in the early 80s in the Bronx. It was a special talk given on a... } – Feb 29, 9:22 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { RR-When and where was that talk Given.Any one who would swallow that information would certainly have to be brainwashed,as most JWs are.Love to hear from... } – Feb 28, 6:42 PM
  • User AvatarRR { Yes Roy, that's what the Watchtower wants you to believe. Just like Carey Barber who visited our hall and gave a special talk told us... } – Feb 27, 8:07 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Many of them continue independently and view the Watchtower organization to have adopted doctrinal errors over the years. } – Feb 25, 10:03 AM
  • User AvatarRoy { Last thing I knew about this was that many of them assimilated into JW, as estimated 5000 in Moldova and probably the ones in other... } – Feb 25, 8:59 AM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { <> I've thought about that … I believe things would still be as they are. Probably wouldn't have Jehovah's Witnesses … but the splits in... } – Feb 23, 5:53 PM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Thank you Rud, I believe what you have stated is correct and will detail out some of the evidence I have from both sides of... } – Feb 19, 11:29 AM
  • User AvatarZionsHerald { Thank you for the correction Randy. In my personal collection I have nearly a complete collection of studies in the Scriptures with a publish date... } – Feb 19, 11:25 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Exile- Thanks. Transparency, mutual respect and Christian liberty is the best way. } – Feb 19, 7:17 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Randy. We are always striving for accuracy. Can you share your source? } – Feb 19, 7:14 AM
  • User AvatarRandy Smith { Hello, I’d like to correct the suggestion that Russell’s Scripture Studies ceased to be published in 1924. The society in fact continued to publish them... } – Feb 18, 11:09 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Rud, Thanks for the good information. I am doing a little more digging myself now. Keep in mind that a lot of information Bible Students... } – Feb 18, 8:51 AM
  • User Avatarexile { Three or four years ago there was a WT study article that stated that annointed should not form private groups. That same article also warned... } – Feb 16, 8:25 PM
  • User AvatarChris J { Peter, When I was a Jw I partook my last two years. They didn’t say anything but that it was between me and God. } – Feb 16, 11:09 AM
  • User AvatarRud Persson { Laura Whitehouse was Isaac Hoskins´ sister-in-law. Eventually she came to live with the Hoskins. If she would tell people about Rutherord being dismissed she certainly... } – Feb 16, 9:58 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Rolando - Thanks for your comments on the January Watchtower study issue. I noticed the article lists many of the evidences of spirit begettal (anointing)... } – Feb 16, 6:14 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Terry - You can find the answer at this link. https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2012/09/08/75-of-the-original-bible-students-left-the-watchtower-by-1931/ } – Feb 13, 11:02 AM
  • User AvatarTerry Bernard { I am interested in where you get this figure: 75% of Bible Students who left the Watchtower because they would not follow J.F. Rutherford Someone... } – Feb 10, 11:25 AM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { The January 2020 issue of the Watchtower had this to say about anointed JW's https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines ... -with-you/ 7 Anointed Christians do not feel that they... } – Feb 09, 7:41 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Br. Jim - Around 1988 when I was in Palm Dessert California for a few months, Bro. Ken Thompson (over 90 years old) told... } – Feb 06, 5:48 AM
  • User AvatarJames Parkinson { I can add one thing. Laura Whitehouse was a signator to Bro. Russell's 1907 will. A relative of hers told me that she understood JFR... } – Feb 03, 10:01 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Br. Ronald - These quotes are more confirmation that Bible Student do not believe in control or abusive treatment over any other christian, but... } – Feb 01, 6:01 PM
  • User AvatarRonald Day { Some things Russell said about organization: There is no organization today clothed with authority. -- Watch Tower, September 1, 1893, page 262. A visible organization... } – Feb 01, 9:45 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034, Thanks for sharing your studies. Do you believe Michael is yet to stand up in the future? Do you believe the understanding of Danilel's... } – Jan 30, 7:12 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { 2034 - Thanks. Do you believe angels and those remaining on earth after the Rev 20 thousand years and little season have immortality (as opposed... } – Jan 30, 7:04 AM
  • User Avatar2034 { The Daniel 12:11 1290 days of "8th King" World Government will also trigger the Christ arrival. And because he gathers the sheep first worldwide (Rev14:6-7),... } – Jan 27, 7:02 AM
  • User Avatar2034 { It appears Revelation 21 has Kingdom purposes for "coming down from heaven" to earth for humans. The one hope is immortality, the realm is heavenly... } – Jan 27, 6:58 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Rena. - It is our hope that with open and honest discussion (without fear) that we can reason together in love with each other... } – Jan 20, 8:33 AM
  • User AvatarRena Luecking aka Just Stay Sweet and Good { I agree Chris. the general attitude is not spiritual but combative these days. When people are attacked their "fight or flight" response kicks in. Our... } – Jan 19, 9:44 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Preach. So true. "today the larger percent of those who withdrew from so-called organized Christianity have turned aside and again gone back into the... } – Jan 14, 6:03 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Sky - Thanks for commenting. "God desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim 2:4. Thankfully God's... } – Dec 31, 10:42 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - I am going to assume you actually believe this scenario where over 99% of mankind goes to hell. I have two questions for... } – Dec 30, 2:48 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Br. Richard, I personally knew Sr. Marge since I was a teenager. Any comments I could make would not do justice in describing her kindness,... } – Dec 30, 7:26 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Br. Richard. I appreciate your support in making this book available. } – Dec 30, 7:17 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { No more from me Bro Peter.We have Listened.But the arguments of Scripture that Marc quoted do not in any way or form point to a... } – Dec 29, 10:45 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Brother Peter,We have plenty of the booklets,We had them reprinted.I have let G/Eagle know & asked him to e/mail me if he would like... } – Dec 29, 10:36 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Golden Eagle.If you send me your email details to rtazzyman@dodo.com.au I will send you a copy or copies.(No charge)Richard.Tazzyman,Bible Student Australia } – Dec 29, 10:34 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Another self righteous comment. It makes me think when a Christian calls someone a name and then uses the scripture of jesus calling the pharisees... } – Dec 29, 10:07 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { You did a great job rambling on but totally ignored Romans 9:18. } – Dec 29, 6:16 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, I could easily say the exact same thing to you about the Scriptures I have cited in the past and could just as easily... } – Dec 29, 6:15 PM
  • User AvatarSky { ""God wants to save only His elect – the rest not so (Romans 9:18)"" There is your first problem. With that attitude you become "first... } – Dec 29, 5:43 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Golden Eagle - This book is no longer in print, but you can download the book to your computer. } – Dec 29, 3:43 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Golden Eagle, I'm so sorry to hear about your family. So many have been damaged by the high control religion. I left the JWs when... } – Dec 29, 2:36 PM
  • User AvatarGolden Eagle { How do you get a copy of this book sent by mail ? } – Dec 29, 12:59 PM
  • User AvatarGolden Eagle { I have been reading all this as now it has all become confusing . So many doctrines have changed , as well as so many... } – Dec 29, 12:55 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - If you are not seriously going to consider the scriptures at the link than it is becoming clear this was never really a... } – Dec 29, 11:09 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { All incorrect. But you believe what you want. } – Dec 29, 9:05 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Some introductory thoughts. 1. God wants to save only His elect - the rest not so (Romans 9:18). 2. God will bless all people who... } – Dec 29, 7:14 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johnz { Marc doesnt want to see it. Jesus said he is ascending to his God. The Bible even says that the head of christ is God.... } – Dec 29, 6:33 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - We could continue debating the Trinity for months. I think it has gone on long enough. We have heard enough from you on... } – Dec 29, 6:00 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Christ's throne, "stands at the right hand of the Father's throne...or is even identical with it Rv 22:1, 3; cp. 3:21b (BDAG, 3rd Edition, thronos,... } – Dec 29, 5:46 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Marc,Read the scripture- two different people,two different thrones, you cannot ignore that. Otherwise you can twist any scripture to suit your teaching. Regards Richard.BS Australia. } – Dec 29, 5:20 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { And both the Father and the Lord Jesus on the the throne receive worship not fit for any created being (Revelation 5:12-13; 7:10, 15; 22:3). } – Dec 29, 4:31 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Bro Chris,As you stated,the scriptures do the talking-not us,we cannot change what Jesus said in Rev 3:21 "To the one who conquers I will... } – Dec 29, 1:14 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Chris, The good news (gospel) includes calling on the name of Jesus as being YHWH (Romans 10:8, 13) Apollos debated the Jews who denied that... } – Dec 29, 12:49 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc, Like we said. You believe what you want. I believe Jesus when he said "I Am ascending to my God." If they were both... } – Dec 28, 9:06 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc Apollos went to spread the good news of Jesus Christ. He ran into the Jews who wanted to argue and he debated them. You... } – Dec 28, 8:51 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { If there is something that exists in this site which says something like "if you disagree with us then don't post here" then I wouldn't... } – Dec 28, 8:19 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, 1. You asserted: Nothing in any of the various titles and descriptions of the holy Spirit substantiates the popular conception of the holy Spirit... } – Dec 28, 7:19 PM
  • User AvatarChris Jonns { Peter, Why are you still encouraging hi? Hes here to argue. He just calls its contending for the faith. When you search out those to... } – Dec 28, 7:16 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, 1. You asserted: Calling on the name of Jesus is the same as calling on the name of the LORD (YHWH) as Jesus is... } – Dec 28, 7:14 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc Your first proof: None of the scriptures you cited proved that Jesus was YHWH. I answered every one. So far your have zero scriptures... } – Dec 28, 4:38 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { If the Bible applied YHWH from the Old Testament unto the Lord Jesus just once that would be enough proof that He is YHWH. But... } – Dec 28, 6:54 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, If there were scriptures that clearly taught the Trinity, then at best we have a situation where Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 could be... } – Dec 28, 5:15 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, 1 Corinthians 1:2 is also uses the expression "call upon the name of the Lord" which is taken from Joel 2:32 and it is... } – Dec 27, 7:22 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, Consider this in response to your arguments about the Holy Spirit. Nothing in any of the various titles and descriptions of the holy Spirit... } – Dec 27, 6:37 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, This response is to your point #1 which is your evidence that the Lord Jesus is referred to as YHWH. First of all, we... } – Dec 27, 5:20 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Ok Peter. Sounds good. I meant 1 Peter 2:3 above not 1 Peter 2:4 - although the "Him" in verse 4 does indicate the "Lord"... } – Dec 26, 10:21 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Marc - We will take a look and get back to you when we can. I am presently at work for the next couple... } – Dec 26, 8:23 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hi Peter, 1. My previous arguments that the Lord Jesus is referred to as YHWH were not refuted. That is Old Testament passages where "YHWH"... } – Dec 26, 8:08 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - The absence of evidence in points 1-3 are valid arguments. Your rebuttal is worth considering with supporting evidence supplied. The fact that Trinity... } – Dec 26, 7:40 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Peter, In response to your 4 points: 1. Just because a specific word does not appear is irrelevant. The Bible never uses the word "monotheism"... } – Dec 25, 5:43 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Bro. Richard, I like Marc. Sure he is is firm and convicted of his views, but he is also as respectful and polite as... } – Dec 25, 4:49 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Bro Peter,I just had to comment on your Post to Marc,You have been very Patient,loving and ; gone to great lengths to explain the... } – Dec 25, 4:39 PM
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  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    Matthew 5:5 Psalms 37:11,29, John 10:16
    Happy are the mild tempered since they will inherit the earth. But the meek will possess the earth. And they will live forever on it. And I have other sheep noymt of this fold, those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    Good job on 14:3 Why? Look where verse1 says Jesus and 144,000 are. Verse 2 John hears sound coming out of heaven–where did they come from? Verse 3 bought from the earth. The other translation says from heaven. We have no problem with that verse. Can you show me a verse in Rev. Where it says Jesus will shepherd 144,000? Remember the great crowd at end of great trib, at the beginning of the 1000 will be shepherded by Jesus. Rev. 7:17 will guide them to springs of waters of life. The 144,000 don’t need that as they are immortal. When it says before the throne it shows God spreads his tent over them. Psalms 15:1 and Rev.213-5
    Again I challenge you to show one verse in Rev. Where it says God’s tent is over the 144,000???
    Where is God’s throne? Psalms 103:19 Jehovah has firmly established his throne in the heavens. Psalms 95:6 Come, let us worship and bow down. Let us kneel before Jehovah our maker.
    50 times in the Hebrew scriptures the words from humans, praise Jah. Surely you believe Jehovah on His throne heard those 50. Also all the billions times billions of prayers that went to Jehovah on his throne he heard. But wicked ones he does not hear. Is. 1:15
    And last but least, JWs have a great crowd who are washing their robes in the blood of the Lamb. Your group has no such group.
    This is the facts .

    But on my next one will explain the virgin companions in Psalm 45.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      You’re refusing to answer my question. Where did jesus ever offer two Hope’s for Christian’s? Where does jesus offer an earthly hope for Christian’s. Your must preaching JW reasoning. Abajn show me where Christians in the first century have an earful hope. I won’t answer any of your questions until you answer that. I used to argue with you on the FOJW Facebook page.

    • Christopher Johns

      Rev 19:1. IN HEAVEN. Not FROM HEAVEN. Where does mankind serve Jehovah in the temple? The great multitude does. 😊

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,

      “And there was opened the temple of God that is in heaven.”
      Revelation 11:19

      “Therefore are they before the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple”

      Revelation 7:15 ASV

      • Richard.Tazzyman

        Dear Bro Christopher,You as a ex Witness like myself were blinded by them(The G/Body)Into believing that the great Multitude(G/company)were a Earthly Class.But it is so clear that they,along with the angels,Elders,& the four Living creatures are before the Throne!Also it says further in verse 14(Chap 7) that have washed their Robes & made them white in the blood of the Lamb-Itf this was the case then they would have been given everlasting life,They would not have to face the final Test at the end of the 1000 year reign of christ,when Satan is let loose!The same misunderstanding they have when it comes to ISRAEL.If they read the scripture in Romans 11,The apostle paul clearly states that Jehovah has not discarded Israel at all-“BY NO MEANS” he says,in fact in verse 25…..”:A partial dulling of senses has come upon Israel(Note-NOT SPIRITUAL ISRAEL)untill the full number of people of the nations has come in,& in this manner all Israel(Again,NOT SPIRITUAL Israel)will be saved.God Bless,Richard.Tazzyman-Bible Student,Australia)

  • Dave

    Hi Chris’s Johns.

    Isaiah chapter 6:1. I saw Jehovah sitting on a loft and elevated throne.

    1 Kings 22:19 Micaiah then said: I saw Jehovah sitting on his throne and all the army of the heavens standing by him.

    Daniel 7;9 I kept watching until thrones were set in place and the Ancient of Days sat down. 7:1 saw a dream and visions.

    Rev. 1:10 By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet

    Did all those really see Jehovah? Three said they did . Exodus 33:20 You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live. Look how Jesus agreed. John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time.
    43 times in Psalms, 5 in Isaiah Nd twice in Exodus the words Praise Jah!
    John is being given this in signs, he is taken to the future. And when asked who the great crowd was, this group saved through the great tribulation, John did not know. Also he didnt know that the 144,000 were all in heaven before the end of the great tribulation.

    Now I know you guy read the Watch towers when they come out. So I ask you a favor. During the trib when you read the anointed were taken to heaven . Will you believe me then?

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      What does Isaiah 6:1 have to do with the great crowd. Jehovah is sitting on the throne in heaven. Rev 19:1 says “Great crowd in heaven”. That’s very clear. Doesnt day hes in heaven hearing them on the earth.

      If I said “I heard the voice of a class of kids in heaven” where would would say they are? Heaven. Simple.

      Also again show me where jesus offered earth to Christians.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Of course no one saw God. But he heard the voice of a great crowd IN HEAVEN. Not “while I was in heaven.”

    • Christopher Johns

      The great crowd are before (enopion) the throne. Rev 7:9

      The 144,000 are before (enopion) the throne. Rev 14:3

      Both are before the throne. That completely overthrow the whole “on earth in sight of the throne”

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    The sound is in heaven. The great crowd are in unison with the words Praise Jah!

    Rev. Says they come throught great tribulation. Palm branches in hand. The spirits in heaven dont have palm branches in hand. Also spirits dont drink living waters in heaven. And when Rev. 7:9-17 takes place on earth, the marriage of the bride in heaven has already taken place.

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      So if John was saying he heard them and they weren’t in heaven it would read “I heard the voice of a great crowd while I was in heaven.” If I say “I heard the mistake screaming in the bwdroom” where would you say they were? In the living room? No. “GREAT CROWD IN HEAVEN” NOT “from heaven” you’re trying to split hairs. Show me again where Jesus offered an earthly hope and heavenly hope to his followers. Youve avoided that question a lot.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      The palm branches cant be symbolic? How do you know that those who have them arent in heaven. Rutherford said that they are in heaven becasue more than 144,000 were joining.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    In my distress I called on Jehovah, To my God I kept crying for help. From his temple he heard my voice, And my cry for help reached his ears. Ps 18:6
    And when you spread out your palms, I hide my eyes from you. Although you offer many prayers, I am not listening; Your hands are filled with blood. Isaiah 1:15

    Jehovah God has the power to listen and not listen to people from heaven. So after he destroys Babylon the Great He receives praise and thank you from the great crowd in which he allows the praise in heaven but it comes from earth. Here is your clue verse 3 , And right away for the second time that said: “Praise Jah!” And the smoke of her goes on ascending forever and ever .

    Babylon the Greats smoke ascends forever, this bad group is on earth not in bug raven, destroyed on earth not in heaven and smoke from earth not in heaven keeps ascending from her, down here on earth not in heaven.

    • Chris Johns

      Dave.

      The scripture line quotes said he heard him FROM his temple. Meaning Jehovah was in heaven.

      Rev 19:1 says he heard them IN heaven.

      Rev 7 shows they serve him IN his temple. The Greek word NAOS. Look up the scripture in your Kingdom Interlinear. It says “Divine Habitation.”

  • I am going to spend time in bible study. I need to make changes in my life. God is love that is what his spirit is. The end of gentile times means many things to many PEOPLE. I will study. I love Jehovah i wish i could love people the way i love him may be one day i will.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Common English bible 7:13 Note the question. Who are these people wearing white robes, and where did they come from? The anointed John, the spirit begotten John, the chosen one John, did not know the answer. 14 These people(not spirits) come out of great hardship.

    So easy to see I am left with the question.Does a person see it but refuses to except it?

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      Rev 19:1 “After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven…”

      Simple. I dont need to split hairs to find that words like “people” mean earthly hope.

      Show me again where Jesus offered two distinct salvation to the church. And show me a Lords evening meal that had people that passed it by becasue they had an earthly hope.

      I’ll wait.

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      Why are the great crowd following the Bride into the palace?

      Psalms 35″13-15

      “The King’s daughter is all glorious within; Her clothing is interwoven with gold. She will be led to the King in embroidered work; The virgins, her companions who follow her, Will be brought to You. They will be led forth with gladness and rejoicing; They will enter into the King’s palace.

    • Chris Johns

      Dave

      Rev 19:1 NWT
      “19 After this I heard what seemed to be a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: “Praise Jah! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God…”

      Rev 7:9-10
      “After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God….”

      Notice how the Great Crowd is in heaven in 19:1 and they both say the same thing.

  • Dave

    Thank you for your comments Chris.

    Rev. 21:3 Look! The tent of God is with mankind
    Psalms 15:1,2,O Jehovah, who will be a quest in your tent? Who will reside in your holy mountain? Isaiah 2:3 And many peoples will go and say: Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah.
    Back to Rev.21 talking about who are under the tent of God. Verse 6, To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free.
    These are not the 144,000 who are in heaven. 19:8 the end, the holy ones.
    Now note Rev. 7:9 no man was able to number, catch it no man. If they were in heaven of coarse no man could number spirits, their invisible to mans eyes.)their people out of all nations. Where did they come from? Came out of the great tribulation, the holy ones are already in heaven.keep in mind this group is in the beginning of the 1000 years, the ones in Rev. 21 are after Satans final attack and proved faithful. And reme.ber what God was giving them? Fountain of the water of life free.

    Verse 15,and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. Remember end of 1000 years after final test on peoples, verse 3,the tent of God?

    17, the Lamb will shepherd them. You know fully well, the 144,000 clothes with immortality in heaven have no need for shepherding, but these sinners do and the Lamb is doing what at the beginning of the 1000 years. He will guide them to fountains of waters of life.last sentence, And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes. Read Rev. 21:3-5

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      I’m not going do a scripture tip-for-tat. I used to be a JW. I used to look for arguements to show that I was a proud JW and no one else had the truth but us. I was a mean JW. Once God called me I learned the Truth and I was set free from the bondage to an organization. When an organization says “Come to Jehovah’s Organization for salvation” and that the Bible belongs to the organization no matter how much you believe you can interpret it. Thatd a red flag. Jesus never taught organization. The bible teaches that the Ark is Christ but your religion reaches it’s the organization then you have become Babylon. I know your line of thought and how I was in there for 6 years and it took humbling me to admit how wrong I was. The Truth isnt first everyone. I believed I had the truth as JW. But once you are spirit begotten you know the truth. I used all those scriptures you did Rev 19:1 shows they are in heaven. It directly says that. Psalms 45: 13-15 shows the entering the palace with the bride. That’s a direct statement. So you can believe it or you can stand on a proud JW and rejoice in your organization (which hides more child pedophiles) and believe what you wish. But I believed I had the truth. Then Jehovah showed me I was wrong.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s . Did you see the problems with those 2 verses?

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Rev. 19:7,8, Let us rejoice and celebrate, and give him the glory, for the wedding day of the Lamb has come,and his bride has made herself ready. She was given fine, pure white linen to wear, for the fine linen is the saints acts of justice.
    Do you agree, this is Jesus the Lamb along with herself the bride of 144,000?

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      Yes. The bride is in heaven. Notice how in Psalm 45 tye bride is described in verse 13 and 14. Then the “virgin companions” are the great company and BOTH go into the palace. Here is the text.

      “The King’s daughter is all glorious within; Her clothing is interwoven with gold.
      She will be led to the King in embroidered work; The virgins, her companions who follow her, Will be brought to You. They will be led forth with gladness and rejoicing; They will enter into the King’s palace.”
      Psalms 45:13-‬15

      This definitely describes the bride and her companions. In the Paraboe of the Wise and Foolish virgins they are calsoncalled virgins but were negligent and were not with the bridegroom when he came to collect his bride.

      And the great Crowd in Rev 19:1 is said to be in heaven the great crowd are eventually overcomeers. How can Rev 19:1 show they are in heaven unless the were first spirit-begotten? But we dont believe there is a calling to this great crowd. In the Gospel Age there is only one call to the high calling. Jesus never offered a two-hope system. Jesus never taught that there was a group of Earthly Christian’s and a Group of Heavenly Christian’s. He came and always preached about the kingdom of the heavens. We don’t find any Christian’s in the bible with an earthly hope. The earth is for the restitution class and those who lived before the high calling. You said that you have the Studies in the Scriptures. The first volume explains it all. It blew my mind. And let’s say for argument sake that the great crowd is on the earth. It doesn’t bother me because neither Jesus nor the apostles taught about us running for that. The JWs are right in saying that the Bible is written for the anointed. This is true. Because there is no other class of Christian’s being called.

      Jeremiah 8:20 states “The harvest is past, the summer has ended, and we are not saved.” These we believe are the great company. Once the bride is complete they will know this.

      Im always here to answer your questions. 😊

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