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  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, If most of what Rutherford taught has been changed since his death then why would it have been wrong for the bible students to... } – Mar 29, 1:23 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Thank you for the reply. I have looked at the spiritual thing that took place. Have most of the books that came... } – Mar 29, 10:30 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, There's a difference between messing up and being truly repentant and what Rutherford did. He was dismissed by Russell. Then he used his legal... } – Mar 29, 6:57 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Judge Rutherford had many women and died from falling down drunk. After his death his wife spoke about all of this. Look up facts... } – Mar 29, 6:43 AM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Third Judge Rutherford. What an honor to work in the preaching with someone who was baptized while the Judge was still alive.... } – Mar 29, 3:52 AM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. King David, no need to mention the mistakes that he made. Highlight the fact he was one of 6 good kings out... } – Mar 29, 3:16 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, Rutherford knew what he was doing. He took over and changed it into a high control group. Sorry freedom is in Christ. Not fear... } – Mar 28, 9:53 PM
  • User AvatarDave { Thank you Criss. Will start will King Solomon. Blessed by Jehovah with wisdom I fail to fully, not even close grasp . But in reading... } – Mar 28, 9:34 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, We believe Rutherford was part of the evil servant. He took freedom in christ and made you have to obey an organization. Smh. } – Mar 28, 7:07 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Atrocities!!! 1. King David 2. King Solomon 3. Judge Rutherford Rank them in order and why. } – Mar 28, 6:02 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Again where did jesus offer a two class system? The earth is for restored world of mankind and those who lived before pentecost. Jesus... } – Mar 28, 11:22 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Sorry. Nowhere does it show that thebyrrat crowd is on earth. Rev 19:1 says they are in heaven. Twist it with any other scripture but... } – Mar 28, 11:20 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave Rev 5:13 "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea,... } – Mar 28, 11:19 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, It doesn't validate your case. Rev 19:1 "Great Crowd in heaven." If I told you that I heard a scream in the house would... } – Mar 28, 11:17 AM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Rev. 5:13 validates my case. In heaven. Note who they were saying it to. To the One sitting on the throne and... } – Mar 28, 10:46 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave Jesus and the 144,000 didnt help you make anyhring. Show me where jesus offered an earthly hope to anyone. You cant. Because he didnt.... } – Mar 27, 7:17 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Yes millions fall short. The way us called NARROW and FEW are the ones finding it. Many don't make it. Remember the foolish virgins.... } – Mar 27, 7:15 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Yet again. Where did Jesus ever show a Christian an earthly hope? He didnt. Which is why you always point to Isaiah and psalms... } – Mar 27, 7:14 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Then I saw three unclean spirits,like frogs come from the dragons mouth,the beast's mouth and the mouth of the false prophet. These... } – Mar 27, 7:11 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, Rutherford built a mansion called Beth Sarim becasue be taught in 1925 that the ancient worthies were going to return and live in San... } – Mar 27, 6:49 PM
  • User AvatarDave { Thank you for your thoughts.You have a problem with your thinking, let me share. Will get back to you with it got to run, in... } – Mar 27, 6:11 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave The great crowd are anointed that didn’t make it. If no man can number the great crowd then your organization is wrong in showing... } – Mar 27, 5:42 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, The great crowd are anointed that didn’t make it. If no man can number the great crowd then your organization is wrong in showing... } – Mar 27, 5:41 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, And those who stayed fell into apostasy. Like those who followed the Catholic Church. The true church always existed outside even during the apostasy.... } – Mar 27, 5:38 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Thank you for your time. Will leave you with a thing that is definitely the case. Which is the meaning of fact.... } – Mar 27, 3:19 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, This is where I end. If you want to Live on the Earth and that's fine. But just now Jesus never taught anyone to... } – Mar 27, 2:37 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { John the Baptist died before spirit begetal. Jesus never offered two setsbif salvation. The ancient worthies will live on the earth. After spirit begettal there... } – Mar 27, 2:35 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, This shows that you you dont know what you are talking about. The Chicago group and Australian group are like saying "South Atlanta Congregation... } – Mar 27, 2:34 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Acts chapter 4 shows great increase to about 5,000. Let's say each year 365 days each anointed one preaches and teaches one... } – Mar 27, 1:27 PM
  • User AvatarDave { Anonymous Sodom had many people who died, probaly had very bad lives. It will be better for them on resurrection day compared to those cities... } – Mar 27, 12:06 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { John 10:16 are gentiles that he would go to to make them part of the little flock. That's why the message of galatians is about... } – Mar 27, 12:05 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, His spirit is with us. That's why he spirit begat us and we see through the control tactics he used. 75% of the bible... } – Mar 27, 12:02 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Liz. Like all anointed ones, Brother Rutherford was immperfect. You asked about his good. He got the studies and read them and came in... } – Mar 27, 11:53 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Incorrect nowhere does this say they are an earthly class. John 10:16 are gentiles that will br brought in. And those in the millennium.... } – Mar 27, 11:51 AM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Dictionary on the word fold.(fold something in or into) mix one ingredient gently with another Also, a group or community. Listen to... } – Mar 27, 11:39 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Can you show me a non-anointed Christian in the bible. Where did jesus set out two Hope's? } – Mar 27, 10:48 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Again show me where jesus offered two Hope's for Christians. You cant. Becasue he didnt. So when you go door to door you're preaching... } – Mar 27, 10:47 AM
  • User AvatarDave { See that you do not refuse to listen to the one who is speaking. For if those who refused to listen to the one giving... } – Mar 27, 9:08 AM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Psalms 150:1 Praise Jah! Praise God in his holy place. Rev. 19:1 150:2 Praise him for his mighty works. Rev. 15:3 Psalm... } – Mar 27, 8:29 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Psalms was not written for the Christian’s hope. Jesus opened a new and living way again where did jesus offer an earthly hope hope... } – Mar 26, 9:53 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Psalms was not written for the Christian's hope. Jesus opened a new and living way again where did jesus offer an earthly hope hope... } – Mar 26, 9:52 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Psalms 45. Do we agree Jesus is the king? Do we agree verse 10 is spiritual Israel, the 144,000? Do we agree... } – Mar 26, 9:51 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Gen. 6:11 But the earth had become ruined in the sight of the true God, and the earth was filled with violence.... } – Mar 26, 9:17 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Matthew 5:5 Psalms 37:11,29, John 10:16 Happy are the mild tempered since they will inherit the earth. But the meek will possess... } – Mar 26, 9:04 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Bro Christopher,You as a ex Witness like myself were blinded by them(The G/Body)Into believing that the great Multitude(G/company)were a Earthly Class.But it is so... } – Mar 26, 7:36 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, "And there was opened the temple of God that is in heaven." Revelation 11:19 "Therefore are they before the throne of God; and they... } – Mar 26, 6:40 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Rev 19:1. IN HEAVEN. Not FROM HEAVEN. Where does mankind serve Jehovah in the temple? The great multitude does. 😊 } – Mar 26, 6:34 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, You're refusing to answer my question. Where did jesus ever offer two Hope's for Christian's? Where does jesus offer an earthly hope for Christian's.... } – Mar 26, 6:33 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Good job on 14:3 Why? Look where verse1 says Jesus and 144,000 are. Verse 2 John hears sound coming out of heaven--where... } – Mar 26, 6:19 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { The great crowd are before (enopion) the throne. Rev 7:9 The 144,000 are before (enopion) the throne. Rev 14:3 Both are before the throne. That... } – Mar 26, 3:28 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Of course no one saw God. But he heard the voice of a great crowd IN HEAVEN. Not "while I was in heaven." } – Mar 26, 3:23 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, What does Isaiah 6:1 have to do with the great crowd. Jehovah is sitting on the throne in heaven. Rev 19:1 says "Great crowd... } – Mar 26, 3:22 PM
  • User AvatarKevin Davis { I go to PRAYER for the transfer of WEALTH from the wicked to Gods people. The devil has RULED for to long. Faith can move... } – Mar 26, 3:04 PM
  • User AvatarDave { Hi Chris's Johns. Isaiah chapter 6:1. I saw Jehovah sitting on a loft and elevated throne. 1 Kings 22:19 Micaiah then said: I saw Jehovah... } – Mar 26, 2:20 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, The palm branches cant be symbolic? How do you know that those who have them arent in heaven. Rutherford said that they are in... } – Mar 26, 2:01 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, So if John was saying he heard them and they weren't in heaven it would read "I heard the voice of a great crowd... } – Mar 26, 12:20 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. The sound is in heaven. The great crowd are in unison with the words Praise Jah! Rev. Says they come throught great... } – Mar 26, 11:52 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave. The scripture line quotes said he heard him FROM his temple. Meaning Jehovah was in heaven. Rev 19:1 says he heard them IN heaven.... } – Mar 26, 10:12 AM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. In my distress I called on Jehovah, To my God I kept crying for help. From his temple he heard my voice,... } – Mar 26, 7:55 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave Rev 19:1 NWT "19 After this I heard what seemed to be a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: “Praise... } – Mar 25, 5:02 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Sorry Psalm 45:13-15 } – Mar 25, 4:44 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, Why are the great crowd following the Bride into the palace? Psalms 35"13-15 "The King’s daughter is all glorious within; Her clothing is interwoven... } – Mar 25, 4:44 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, Rev 19:1 "After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven..." Simple. I dont need to split... } – Mar 25, 4:42 PM
  • User AvatarKevin davis { I am going to spend time in bible study. I need to make changes in my life. God is love that is what his spirit... } – Mar 25, 4:08 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Common English bible 7:13 Note the question. Who are these people wearing white robes, and where did they come from? The anointed... } – Mar 25, 4:00 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, I'm not going do a scripture tip-for-tat. I used to be a JW. I used to look for arguements to show that I was... } – Mar 25, 2:52 PM
  • User AvatarDave { Thank you for your comments Chris. Rev. 21:3 Look! The tent of God is with mankind Psalms 15:1,2,O Jehovah, who will be a quest in... } – Mar 25, 2:23 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, Yes. The bride is in heaven. Notice how in Psalm 45 tye bride is described in verse 13 and 14. Then the "virgin companions"... } – Mar 25, 1:14 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's . Did you see the problems with those 2 verses? } – Mar 25, 12:52 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Rolando, Oh ok. It's on the Dawn Website } – Mar 25, 12:48 PM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { The Grace of Jehovah } – Mar 25, 12:04 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Rev. 19:7,8, Let us rejoice and celebrate, and give him the glory, for the wedding day of the Lamb has come,and his... } – Mar 25, 11:06 AM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Rolando, What booklet are you talking about? } – Mar 25, 7:19 AM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { Back in the early 1990s I actually updated this booklets, since it was outdated and refuted JW doctrines that they no longer believed. The booklet... } – Mar 24, 10:20 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, Thanks for your response. I as well have all of Rutherfords Books and Paul SL Johnson. Yes we believe the world of mankind is... } – Mar 24, 11:05 AM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. I have his studies, even a nice copy of the photo drama of creation. Also have most of Rutherfords books. Sadly for... } – Mar 23, 8:14 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, I used to be a Jehovahs Witness. I loved it. But I read CT Russell' Divine Plan of the Ages! It changed my life... } – Mar 23, 6:30 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, So you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses? } – Mar 23, 6:13 PM
  • User AvatarDave { Are you a prodigal son? If so welcome back. } – Mar 23, 5:42 PM
  • User AvatarDave { Even thought we have not met, my prays are for all the brothers and sisters around the world . Your included, now let's say Jehovah... } – Mar 23, 5:40 PM
  • User AvatarDave { Governing Body doesn't have your fears. It is a safety protection for all. My wife and I had a anointed sister and her daughter stay... } – Mar 23, 5:36 PM
  • User AvatarDave { Why are the last anointed one? } – Mar 23, 5:25 PM
  • User AvatarDave { Hi Tapio If you would like to discuss the Gentile times I would be happy to. For 28 years ctr said it was coming .... } – Mar 23, 4:23 PM
  • User AvatarKevin Davis { Kingdom hall of altavista elders made a wise decision to close. During this time of sickness coming thru our town. Good job elders. They have... } – Mar 23, 4:19 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Thank you. } – Mar 23, 3:01 PM
  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { Dave, April 7, 2020. } – Mar 23, 12:53 PM
  • User AvatarDave { What is the Lords evening meal date this year? } – Mar 23, 12:51 PM
  • User AvatarKevin davis { The bible talks about the transfer of wealth from the wicked to to the righteous. I will have food soon. My oil is full now.... } – Mar 23, 9:28 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. With this the words of the... } – Mar 22, 6:33 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { He didnt go out to argue. When some came to him he could argue. Not go out to tru to refute. Jesus took on the... } – Mar 22, 6:27 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Think if he read this to them the Jews. Because of our sins and the wrong doing of our parents, both Jerusalem... } – Mar 22, 10:27 AM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Did you see in my last post, Apollo's was not afraid to argue with the Jews over scripture? } – Mar 22, 10:23 AM
  • User AvatarDave { To All. Did Apollos have the heavenly call? If answer is yes, 1. Was it when he believed? 2. Was he a chosen one on... } – Mar 22, 10:20 AM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. Yes billions will be resurrected. Romans 6:23; 3:23. But Jesus and the bride are going to bring removal of those Jesus judges... } – Mar 21, 9:25 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Well Dave. I hope you keep searching and God bless your studies. Im not going to argue with anyone in scripture. It gets nowhere. So... } – Mar 21, 9:24 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Grammar corrected. Dave, God wants us all to be saved. However he is only going to the gentiles to gather the rest of the bride.... } – Mar 21, 9:17 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, God wants us all to be saved. However he is only going to to the gentiles to gather the rest if the bride. Again... } – Mar 21, 9:15 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, God wants us all to be saved. However he is only going to to the gentiles to gather the rest if the bride. Again... } – Mar 21, 9:15 PM
  • User AvatarDave { To Christopher John's. The spirit and bride are speaking to any who are willing to listen. Remember Acts 17:30 EVERYONE!!! EVERYWHERE!!! It is that simple,... } – Mar 21, 9:09 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Dave, Yes there will be people who die in Armageddon. However your missing a huge chunk of the bible. All are going to be resurrected... } – Mar 21, 9:08 PM
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  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    One more thought.Jesus referring to end times. Matthew 24:37-39 As it was in the time of Noah, so it will be in the coming of the Human One. In those days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark. They didn’t know what was happening until the flood came and swept them all away. The coming of the Human One will be like that.

    I m sure your going to agree with Jesus.

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      Yes there will be people who die in Armageddon. However your missing a huge chunk of the bible. All are going to be resurrected in John 5:28,29. V If you were confident in what you believe you wouldn’t need to make it seem like my views are erroneous by saying I’m basically disagreeing with Jesus when really I’m disagreeing with your interpretation. If we are abraham seed and we will bless all the nations of the earth how is that possible if all those who aren’t abrahams seed are going to hell?

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Yes the bride, the little flock. Luke 11:32
    But I saw another dave not me left a message, Rev. 19 Jesus and the saints execute judgement, and he showed Rev. 11:18 Desroyting small and great bringing havoc or destruction to the earth. She how religious people are getting now with this virus? Consider Matthew 7:21-23 and 7:13 and verse 14

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      There have been so many viruses and when this passes then what? Was assume something else? The world will have their trial in the millennium. Ask yourself. Who is the bride talking to in Rev 22:17. If all true Christians are the bride and the rest go to hell then who is the bride talking to?

      Rev 22:17
      “The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.”

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Your question, how will these priests rule over these people if their destroyed or are in hell?
    Rev. 20:4-6 Note where it shows that they will be kings and priests. They are in the first resurrection. Note the ones they are priests to were living during the 1000 years being helped by the priests . Then at the end of 1000 those others came to life, meaning they are welcomed into Rev. 21:3-5 and will no longer need a priesthood. That’s why it says the saints ruled with Christ for a 1000 years.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    Acts 17:30 reads, God overlooks these things in times past, but now directs everyone everywhere to change their hearts and lives.

    • Chris Johns

      Dave. Pf course. However we see that God is calling a bride. He isnt calling the world. That’s why we are called a little flock. We are the seed of abraham. The seed of abraham will bless the entire world. “Through your seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.” Has the world been blessed yet? What exactly are we reigning over for 1000 years of all else are in hell? Hmmmm

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s
    Only church is on trial.

    Matthew 24:24 False Christ’s and false prophets will appear, and they will offer great signs and wonders in order to deceive, if possible, even those whom God has chosen. The second word is all small caps in this bible, when I typed it, it went big.
    To say those who aren’t in the church aren’t on trial is ridiculous. The words if possible, capable of happening, if capable of happening.
    Why do signs and wonders to mislead 8 billion people to have the chance to get a small handful of 10,000 bible students to lose there life eternally, then spare the 8 billion during the 1000 years???

    • Chris Johns

      Dave. The world is not on trial. The scriptures confirm this. God was only dealing with Israel. Now hes opened it up to the gentiles to complete the bride. And the whole goal of calling them is to become a nation of priests and kings. Who are the ruling over if everyone else goes to hell? What’s the function of a priest? To be a go between God and man. How can they do that if all are going to hell or annihilated before the millennium? The bible says “Judgement begins with the house of God.” The judgment day isnt until the millennium.

  • Dave

    To Marc on trinity.
    1. Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. That’s a couple that gets married. The rest of verse reads, Therefore, humans must not pull apart what God has put together. There one, but two separate people. And first Corinthians 11: show the head of the woman is the man.
    Likewise it shows the head of Christ is God. 11:3 While your in that chapter read 15:27,28, do you see Jesus is in subjection to the Father.

  • dave

    revelation chapter 19 is not just unfaithful chosen ones. rev. 11 18 its not the chosen ones bringing havoc on the earth.

  • Charles

    Tony Morris dictator GB chief. Turn church to arrogant unfriendly fundamentalist place. Good worldly peoples gonna died and only active members survive. Hostile wicked politics.

  • Gasa

    Dear Christopher
    It is my understanding that this site is called friends for Jehovah’s witnesses you say we are like the Catholic Church in that we blindly follow an organisation. Some may claim this when they have left us but the ‘beroea were more noble minded ..they carefully examined the scriptures” Act 17:11 nwt that is the remit of every Christian and every Christian witness of Jehovah. A church or organisation helps with fellowship and bible study but my faith is based on my personal relationship with God through his Son. Abel and Job served God loyally without a church so must we if need be.
    Concerning your claim that all Christians go to heaven none have the earthly hope. What about Martha’s comment about the resserection in the last day, the evildoer who died beside Jesus with Jesus promise of paradise and Mt 5:5 where Jesus mentioned the meek. I agree with you most of Jesus comments for Christians was introducing the heavenly hope for the ‘elect’ who make up the bride class part of the kingdom.
    Earthly Israel today is not acknowledged in any plans for us today but brother Russell believed and wrote about earthy Israel returning to there own land and Gog attacking Israel we know today. I personally am inclined to agree with Pastor Russell. You are right expressing personal views publically can get us into trouble in our organisation and yes this is not a good sign.
    Any more details or answers welcome

    • Christopher Johns

      Gaza,
      Thanks for your reply. Sorry I didn’t get back to you. We were at the All Florida Convention of Bible Students. It was amazing!!! So much deep discussion on the churches experience as typified in the Books of Exodus,Deuteronomy, Leviticus.
      As for your comment about Martha. Remember Lazarus died BEFORE the begetting of the Holy Spirit. Therefore there was a resurrection to the earth for him and the reason she believed he would be resurrected to the earth. The Jews had this belief and that’s why she believed it. The apostles didn’t even know that Jesus was to die much less receive a spiritual resurrection. Those who lived before Jesus and before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost will have an earthly resurrection. It wasn’t until 1935 that the JWs started teaching that the Great Company class is an earthly class. This was mainly done because the number of people on the group exceeded the number of 144,000. So what do we do with them? That’s when two hopes came about. The Matthew 5:5 if you read it says “Inherit the earth” Does not the church become JOINT HEIRS with Christ? Do they not inherit the earth to rule over? Also if you look at the surrounding verses they say “Will be called sons of God” “they will see God” “Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.” These all refer to the anointed and therefore so does verse 5:5.

      There is so much about the restoration of the nation of Israel. In the Kingdom Hall this week it was assigned to read Romans 11. Notice the “their” when they are talking about the natural Jews it says “their”. Then it says “and this is the covenant that I will make with THEM”. Not “US”. Also Amos 9:14,15 says they would be brought back together and planted in their land and NEVER BE UPROOTED AGAIN. Well this did not have a fulfillment yet for they were uprooted again in 70-73 AD.

      Notice how this is Israel in the flesh. Not spiritual “A partial dulling of senses has come upon Israel until the full number of people of the nations has come in, 26 and in this manner all Israel will be saved. Just as it is written: “The deliverer will come out of Zion and turn away ungodly practices from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them, when I take their sins away.” Romans 11:25-27

      As for following an organization. I don’t believe they blindly do it. You may have some that would believe that. And what I share with you is in by no means an attack or criticism. There’s nothing wrong with being organized. Russell even said that no major undertaking could happen without organization. However it’s when we believe that this organization is necessary for our salvation that we don’t agree with. I’ve heard it’s stated that we have to come into the “art“ in order to be saved from the “flood ”. Or when we claim that only truth can come from it and on they can interpret the Bible. Here’s a few example. And like I said this is by no means an attack.

      Catholics say only the Pope can interpret the Bible. (I’m sure they’ve loosed this a bit).
      JWs say “Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible,” (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587).

      Catholics used to teach everyone will go to hell outside their church. JWs teach the following:
      “Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the “great crowd,” as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.” Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19”

      “Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah’s universal organization.” Watchtower 2006 May 15 p.22 “Are You Prepared for Survival?”

      The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those that are destroyed then.” Kingdom Ministry 1968 Mar p.4

      “To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.” Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12

      “Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation” Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.212

      Bible Student believe that the world of mankind is not on trial for life right now. We believe that that is what the millennium is for. To say that people are going to die in Armageddon because they don’t believe now places the world of mankind on trial for life. We believe that only the church is on trial for life now. If you look at the atonement day sacrifices you’ll see that there was a blessing for the Levites and then a blessing for the people in general. This we believe represent the church is blessed first and then the Israelites who represent the world of mankind.

      I’d like to hear your thoughts. 🙂

  • Gasa

    My apologies I had not read your full introduction and the purpose of your site. There are so many sites that attack us. It’s refreshing to find you,
    Christian love.

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