Annointed JWs speak out. What are they trying to tell you?

We have a new page called “Anointed Talk” and we are encouraging Anointed JWs to share their stories.  We always thought that the Anointed were among the most respected JWs and that they were looked to for spiritual leadership and guidance.  We are surprised to be hearing a very different story from the Anointed who have been talking to us personally.  We encourage them to share their stories.  Find out more by clicking here and tell us what you think.

 

26 comments to Annointed JWs speak out. What are they trying to tell you?

  • Hank

    To Peter;
    Vol VI Page 361,”If ye be Christ’s[if ye become menbers in particular of the body of Christ]then are ye Abraham’s seed,and heirs according to the promise” or Covenant.-Gal 3:16,29. On the previous page he explains it the way you did in regards to Jer. 31:33,34. and Heb. 8:10.
    To whom only do the exceeding great and precious promises belong? Page 154 of same book,”The exceeding great and precious promises of the Lord’s Word-such, for instance,as those which assure us that”all things work together for good to them that love God”-will apply only to those who have been favored of God and to the low gat of self-sacrifice,and have gladly entered it, for only such love God in the supreme degree-more than self. “All things are theirs, for they are Christ’s and Christ is God’s”

    “WILL APPLY ONLY TO THOSE.” Caps mine. Again,”FOR THEY ARE CHRIST’S AND CHRIST IS GOD’S.”
    Lets hook that to the opening, Gal 3:29,And if ye are Christ’s,then are ye Abraham’s seed,heirs according to the promise.

    Lets tie Heirs according to the promise to the new covenant. Ready? Roman’s 4:13″For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.” “Righteouness of faith.”

    14,”For if they are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect.”

    Heb 1:2,”he appointed heir of all things.” We agree Jehovah did that with his son Jesus. And we agree they are heirs. And we agree with Eph 1:11,”in whom also we were made a heritage.” 13,”ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.” And we agree with Heb 6:17,”more abundently unto the heirs of the promise.” James 2:5,”and heirs of the kingdom of which he promised.” Titus 3:7,”heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”he us the mediator of a new covenant…promise he eternal inheritance.” Heb 9:15

  • Hank

    To Peter and Jacquelin;
    Thank you Peter for your coments. Welcome back Jacquelin. I think I saw you at the convention. Monday near center, Tuesday roght across the aile, Wednesday fo r business meeting I think more towards back near book,CD counter. Thursday I think I saw you in lavender. But white the previous days and on one snapping spme pictures. I am open to correction because of picture quality.

  • Hank

    To Peter;

    Thank you. 2 Tim3:3:16,17,”Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely ungood work.”

    Lets go to 1:1,”Paul an apostle of Christ Jesus through the will of God according to the promise of the life which is in Jesus Christ.” 2.”to Timothy,my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.”

    Would you agree that it was the will of the Father to have Jesus make Paul a sent forth one? And would you agree Timothy and Paul new the difference between the Father and Jesus Christ? Yet I believe about 2 billion people Christendom can not understand that. Yet they have Bibles and say they believe. But are they getting anything worth while from it?
    The other 5 billion people have completely other books. So 7 billion don’t have a clue do they? Now would you agree that was written to Timothy who was a chosen one, a person running for the upward call? Do you think those 2 billion who claim on going up are like Timothy?

    Do you agree Daniel wrote part of the Bible? Do you agree he said he was clueless as to what it meant? Not in those words Dan 12:8 But did he not write, certain people only would understand? Dan 12:9,10.

    Do you think this does not apply to the annointed only? Jer 31:33,”saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts and in their heart I will write it; and I will be their God and they shall be my people.” And did it not say, this will be a new covenant? 31:31 verse 34,”for they shall all know me.” How many, in Christendom know Jehovah and act like their hearts have his laws there?

    So we have a new covenant, a things written on certain ones hearts, and they are God’s people. Note what the New Testament writter says,”For this is the covenant that I will make for the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my law into their mind. And on their heart also I will write them: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be my people.” Heb 8:10 and 11 matches Jer 31:34 Heb 8:13,”In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath madw the first old.

    He then shows features of the old and then shows how Christ shed his own blood, and offered himself without blemish unto God.” Heb 9:14

    And what could result for that Israel? “cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.” Heb 9:14 Was this for fleashly Israel or Spirtual Israel? 9:15,”And for this cause he is the mediator of a new covenant, that a death having taken place for a redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, they that have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance,”

    Anote where this was written to. Fleshly Israel? The Gentile Christians? Or to those who were fleshly Israelites but were Christians? I will pick number three. Because it would have been way over the Head of the Gentile Christians at that time. And the fleshly Isralites had no interest. And group three could be reasoned with, with that material presented. So again, writteoannointed ones. Applied to annointed ones.

    So when your article closed with these words, it was ——–well you decide. . “based on the evidence considered, we believe that the church is not under the new covenant and that the operation of this covenant is reserved for the time of the earthly kingdom.”

    Why that is ludicrist. In this book the writer shows some had shrank back to needing milk, and that they should be teachers, they were weak. So this writer was trying to get them to move in the right direction. If he was saying you need milk, your lives are at risk of losing the reward so I will tell you a story of something that will happen to all the wicked and Israel some thousands of years from now. It would have done absolutly nothing for them.

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Hank – Thank you for your passionate response.  Jehovah has something to work with when we have zeal for Him and His Word.  So I am impressed by your zeal.

      It is hard to know how to respond.  Based on your comments, it seems there are parts of the article you did not read or understand, because I answered  the questions on Jereniah 31 and Hebrews.  Do you want the page numbers?

      To start, let’s keep this simple.  You may not understand the early Watchtower point of view.  That view was that Jehovah is only judging the Anointed now for eternal life.  Israel and the unbelieving world of mankind will not be judged for eternal life until after a period of learning righteousness during the 1,000 years.  During that time they can repent and choose to serve Jehovah.  Otherwise, they will face “second death” after the 1, 000 years, at the end of the Little Season.

      I got the impression you were either not aware of this or are not aware of the overwheling flood of scriptural support for this.  See here for example:
      https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2011/03/19/two-salvations-a-ransom-for-all/

      Hank, I wonder if you are rushing to judgment and not taking time to carefully examine the scriptural evidence being presented?  I hope that is not the case.

      God bless you my friend.

      • Jacqueline

        Br. Peter I am on a cellular phone so I will be brief. The GB is trying to teach something similar but the average witnesses aren’t getting the point. Hank is not quite up to date on their new thoughts. They too say the anointed only is on trial for life but they know because they haven’t changed their other teaching witnesses can’t get it. Just my 2 cent worth. We at the convention have been following you brothers conversation.

  • Hank

    To Peter;
    How do you read? Luke 22:29,30,”I appoint you a kingdom, even as my Father appointed unto me,… and ye shall sit on thrones.”
    Rev 3:21,”He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne.”
    Rom 15:4,”For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning.” Does Paul anywhere make an exception to the rule of what he just said? The Hebrew word berith , whose etymology is uncertain, appears over 280 times in the first 39 books of the Bible, and 80 times by Moses. Its basic meaning is covenant. Compared to our word , contract. Luke 22:20,”This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out to you. verse 28,”But ye are rhey that have continued with me in my temptations.” And remember where they would sit? verse 30,”sit on thrones.” Was this just going to be given to them? Or were there conditions to this covenant? Back to the reat of Rev 3:21,”He that overcometh.” And who does this apple to? verse 22,”He that has an ear, let him here what the Spirit saith to the churches.”
    2Cor 3:6,”as ministers of a new covenant.”

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Hank – The article linked addresses most of your scriptures.  What do you find in the article to be false?

      I think the Rev 3:21 promise applies to the faithful anointed.  However, that does not delete other promises for natural Israel and mankind.

      It sounds like you are saying that Romans 15:4 rules out any promises or hope for Israel and unbeliving mankind.  Is that your thought?

      Romans 15:4 NASB “For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.”

      This scripture relates to “instruction.”  It points out that these Old Testament teachings are for our learning.  From the Old Testament we learn many things, including how Israel and mankind will be blessed in the future paradise earth.  The verse does not prove that everything in the Old Testiment applies only to us.  Otherwise we would have to conclude that we are still under Moses Law Covenant.

  • Hank

    To K.;
    How do you read? Is 28:14,15,18. Wherefore hear the word of Jehovah, ye scoffers,that rule this people that is in Jerusalem: Because we have said,We have made a covenant with death, and with Sheol are we at agreement;when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come on to us;for we have made lies our refuge,and under falsehood we have hid ourselves:thus saith the Lord Jehovah. And your covenant with death shall be annulled, and your agreement with Sheol shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.”

  • Hank

    To K.;
    Do you agree that Gen 3:15 pertains to this?
    Going to assume yes.
    On that basis, Gen 22:18,”And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves.”l 3:16,”Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. It says, not: “And to seeds,” as in the case of many such, but as in the case of one:”And to your seed who is Christ.”

    Acts 7:5,”but he promised to give it to him as a possession, and afterword to his seed, while as yet he had no child. Gen 22:17,”Ishall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of the sand that are on the sea shore; and you seed will take possession of the gate of his enimies.” Ps 2:8; Dan 2:44; Heb 2:14; Rev 11:15.

  • Hank

    To K;
    Please check these verses. Gen 3:15; Is 62:4; Ga 4:27; Rev 12:1.

    Gen 3:15,”And I shall put enmity between you and the woman.”

    Is 62:4,”And the nations will certainly see you righteousness O woman.”

    Gal 4:27,”For it is written: “Be glad,you barren woman who does not give birth; break out and cry aloud, you woman who does not have childbirth pains; for the children of the desolate woman are more numerous than those of her who has the husband.”

    Rev 12:1,”And a great sign was seen in heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars.” Verse two,”and she was pregnant.And she cries out in her pains and in her agony to give birth.” Verse 4,”And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, that, when she did give birth, it might devour her child.”
    Verse 5,”And she gave birth to a son, a male,who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was caught away to God and to his throne.”
    Verse 13,”it perecuted the woman, that gave birth to the male child.” 17,”And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.” Ga 4:28-31; 5:11; 6:12 show fleshly Israel was done, But the brothers are free because they come from the free woman. Spirit begotten. Abba Father! John 8:32, they have been set free.

  • K

    Isaiah 54:1 says:….”for the sons of the desolated one are more numerous than the sons of the husbandly owner”.We know this scripture is reffering to the prophetic drama of Sarah and Hagar,since hagar represents the Israelites under the law covenant and Sarah those with the heavenly hope(under the new covenant)how can the sons of Sarah be more numerous than the sons of Hagar if there’re only 144,000 of them?

    • Peter K. (admin)

      K – The expression “New Covenant” is nowhere found in Galatians.  Abraham’s seed was to be blessed as the STARS of heaven and the SANDS of the seashore.  The SANDS picture natural Israel.  The STARS picture the heavenly calling, which includes both the 114, 000 and the Great Crowd. 

      There is only one hope of our calling, the hope of being of the heavenly bride of Christ.  All who have this hope are begotten as embryo New Creatures to the Spiritual nature.  Hence Peter speaks of the reward reserved for us in heaven.  Paul says our citizenship is in heaven. 

      Rev 7 speaks of the Great Crowd which no man can number.  Hence the two heavenly classes are depicted in the STARS of heaven.  We refer to this as the Sarah feature of the Abrahamic Covenant.

      You can find more information contrasting the 144, 000 and Great Crowd here.
      https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2011/05/01/what-happens-to-anointed-who-do-not-make-the-144000/

      You can find more information showing that our only calling is heavenly:

      https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2010/05/06/should-we-want-to-be-on-earth/

      • K

        Thanks Peter K. Could tell me what is the “blood of the covenant”(Matt. 26:28 NWT)”covenant for a kingdom”(Luke 22:29)the “new covenant”(1Cor.11:25)?

        • Peter K. (admin)

          K – Very good question and scripture citations.  The answer is very deep and I can provide it tomorrow.  A comprehensive study of our connection to God’s covenants is quite involved and would take a significant commitment of time to see it layed out with all the scriptures harmonized.  However, the reward is well worth the effort as all scripture are beautifully harmonized when done.

          The problem is that most of the Bible Translators accept denominational teaching and attempt to force their translations to comply.  The Rotherham and RVIC translations can help here.

          Keep in mind that although the Bible discusses the New Covenant in connection with the Church/Anointed, there is no scripture anywhere that ever says God actually makes this New Covenant with the Church.

          In a nutshell, the Bible teaches that God’s covenants are ratified with blood, for example by animal sacrifices.  Ratifying a covenant is our modern day equivalent of signing a contract.  In essence, the New Covenant gets ratified by the sacrifice of Jesus and His body members.  Once the last member of the 144,000 is faithful unto death, the New Covenant will be fully ratified.  After that God can then make the New Covenant with natural Israel and extend it to the world.

          The article I will post tomorrow will cover each of your scripture citations in depth, plus many additional scriptures will be covered.  You will be amazed at how deep and yet how clear and beautitiful this is.  I have never posted it because very few would be willing to commit the time for such a deep study.  This study is merely a summary of what was taught by the early Watchtower focusing strictly on the scriptural evidence.

  • What should an anointed speak out ?
    — he should sing the Song of Moses (found in Deuteronomy 32:1-43) Rev.15:3
    — he should emphasis in keeping at high respect the Law (that is the 10 commandments ) Matthew 5:17
    — he should dwell and remain in “the teaching of Christ” 2 John 1:9
    — he should understand the prophetical given command:
    “Ho Zion, escape, thou that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.”
    Zechariah 2:7
    — he should understand what is the Holy Way Jehovah is preparing today
    Isaiah 35
    8. And a highway shall be there, and a way;
    and it shall be called the Holy Way.
    The unclean shall not pass over it, but it shall be for the redeemed;
    the wayfaring men, yes, the simple ones and fools, shall not err in it and lose their way.

  • Jacqueline

    My son recently told me he had a conversation with a well respected anointed brother in his congregation. I am so glad to see him dialogue freely. I have tried to discuss with my sons Mark 7:6-13, where Jesus deals with the matter of the Corban law that had developed of “gifts being dedicated to God” or the temple and children could not use this to help a parent if they were in need. The children however could use the material wealth as long as they were alive but not give it to parents in need.
    I took the principle here stated of “Honoer thy Father and Mother”, that the priests could not nullify that command that carries a promise.
    It was interesting that the anointed brother used the same reasoning that the GB cannot tell children that they must do emotional harm and not care for their parents if they have left the religion.
    He of his own accord found this brother because he knew he was of the anointed.
    That is encouraging to see this. Maybe it is taking place in other congregations. Given the climate in the oirganization now it is taking courage for this brother to speak to a cong. member
    Just wanted to share that experienc with fellow anointed ones here.

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