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we should be asking Jehovah God for a heaven life to fill the flock number the seeds of Christ. How ever most Jehovah.s witnesses do not desire heaven life.
Hi KD – To add to to your thoughts — Is there any scriptural evidence that the New Creation should be baptized for a future life on earth?
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you …” 1 Peter 1:3-4.
To Peter;
Thank you again. I believe you said,”refer to the new covenant refer to the 144,000. Actually VI brings out some very good news if ones so desire to believe it and accet the consequeches.
For those who consecrated their lives to Jehovah, on page 184 it says as to running for the up ward call. “if we abide with him in faith, in love and in heart-obedience-however weak and imperfect may be our best efforts at controlling our flesh.”
I am sure you agree, it is imposible to please God without faith? Heb 11:6 And we agree that our fleshly bodies die because we sin. Ro 3
3:23 And this was inherited from Adam. Ro 5:12
So bring up something we both know? Well when a person dies it makes them even with God. Ro 6:23
Now we have to distinguish between the sin we inherit and the other sin. Mt 12:31 and Heb 6:4-6. The other sin blocks one from being raised to heaven as one of the 144,000, and it blocks one from the resurrection back to earth. John 5:28,29.
So the sins that I showed earlier, that Jehovah remembers no more for the 144,000 icludes any of their inherited sins they still make. Yet with all those their fleshly bodies still will die. Which means it is their spiritual lives that have all sins forgiven that they do from their inherited sin. On the other hand, Mt 12:31 and Heb6:4-6, causes them to receive the second death and these were not the product of inherited sin.
Those who are in the running for the 144,000 read 1 John 1:7,”and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” You have to admit the wonderful provision for those running. But there is a problem. But maybe not.
Vol VI page, it should make no difference.” What should make no difference? Well with the high calling being closed. It says one should still consecrate theirs lives to the Lord. And the Pastor shows why. “full consecration will be required of those who would live and enjoyhe blessings of the Millennnial age-nothing short of it.”
So what does that mean? Well there may be a few who quit running and need to be replaced. But there must be thousands and thousands who have consecrated themselves since 1881 the year the door closed so of them 120,000 during the 132 years it leaves thousands who consecrated but did not get chosen.
What a disappointment. Not really! Why is that? We just read when the book said all those in the Millinnium will likewise e required to get consecrated to inherit live on earth. Thus they will be joined by those thousands.
Surely no person who Served Jehovah would say, it has to be heaven or eternal destruction. I refuse after serving to live in a paradise earth in hapiness.
So the good news you have for JWs is they will all get a chance in the Millinnium. And the good news Vol VI has is because of lack of room to fit in the little flock their is hope if one is faithful to their consecration.
1 COR 15:21″For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.” 22,”For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.” 23,”But each in his own order:Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ’s,at his coming.24,”Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God,even the Father:when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25,”He must reign, till he hath put all his enimies under his feet.” 26,”The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.”
We know that is when people with no Adamic death in them go bad. They are pitched in to the everlasting destruction and death i gone forever. That type of sin was not inherited.
Verse 22 Adams brought death. Christ brings life. Sinned is removed. The inherited kind. You can’t have a perfect Millinnium with people and inherited sin. It doesn’t work now and it would not then. When they are rasied they are even up with God, if they start inherited sin again, they have to die again. But 22 said,”Christ shall all be made alive.” They all new about the resurrection mentioned at John 5:28,29 coming back to life. That is not what that is talking about. Other wise the wirds,”For since by man came death.” would be happening again.
So to break it down, those who worship Jehovah with his approval will be saved by His sons ransom sacrifice. A few go to heaven the rest here on earth. How hard would it be for God to remove sin? As easy as him saying I remember your sins no more. He created man, it would be no problem.
Hank – You said, “You can’t have a perfect Millennium with people and inherited sin.” That is not correct. The purpose of the Millennium is to bring mankind from sin to perfection. Full perfection without sin will only be enjoyed in the ages to come after the little season. This is clearly taught in these nearly 100 scriptures: https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2011/03/19/two-salvations-a-ransom-for-all/
For example:
Two Distinct Classes Saved – Church and World
1 John 2:2 – “He is an atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. – Weymouth
1 Tim 4:10 – God…is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. NKJV
Rev 22:17 – “the bride say, “Come!”… Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. NKJV
[An invitation to unbelieving mankind on Paradise Earth.]
Rom 8:19,21 – “the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God… also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God NKJV
Everyone will be Resurrected
Acts 24:15-16 – “there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.” NKJV
John 5:28-29 – “the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will … come forth” NKJV
Rom 5:18 “through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life” 1 Cor 15:22 – “as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.” NKJV
Meaning of the word RANSOM
It may help to understand what the word “RANSOM” means, as in Jesus died “a Ransom for ALL” (even the wicked) 1 Tim 2:6. What is there about the word “ALL’ that people don’t understand?
https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2010/05/06/who-did-jesus-die-a-ransom-for/
https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2010/05/06/did-jesus-die-a-ransom-for-many-or-a-ransom-for-all/
https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2010/05/06/technically-what-is-the-definition-of-the-word-ransom/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC4hzC93yb4
To Peter;
Some more of the Bible. Col 1:13,”And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh,you,I say,did he make alive together with him,having forgiven us all our trespasses.”
Caps mine,”FORGIVEN US ALL OUR TRESPASSES.”
Col 1:14,”the forgiveness of our sins.”
Heb 8:12,”And their sins I will remember no more.”
Ep 1:7,”the forgiveness of our trespasses.”
Jer 31:34,”for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
Mt 26:28,”for this is the blood of my covenant, which is poured out for many unto remission of sins.” footnote.,”Many ancient authorities insert new.”
Heb 9:15,”he is the mediator of a new covenant,that a death aving taken place for the redemption of the transgressions.”
Heb 10:16,17,”This is the covenant I will make with them
After those days,saith the Lord:
I will put my laws on their heart,
And upon their mind also will I write them;then saith he. And their iniquties will I remember no more.
This is talking about the brethren in this covenant. Heb 10:19-23,”Having therefore, brethren,boldness to enter into the holy place by the blood of Jesus,by the way which he dedicatfor us,a new and a living way,through the veil,that is to say his flesh; and having a great priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in fulness of faith, having our hearts spinkled from an evil conscience: and having our body washed with pure water, let us hold fast the confession of our hope.”
Ro 5:2,”through whom we have had our access.”
Heb 9:8,”the Holy Spirit this signifying, that the way into the holy place, hath not yet been made manifest, while the first tabernacle is yet standing.”
Heb 9:15mediator of a new covenant.” Why? “in order that, because a death has occurred for their release by ransom.”
1 Cor 11:25,”This cup is the new covenant in my blood.” And who is it talking about? A. The future millienium? B. The brethren? 1 Cor 11:33,”Wherefore my brethren.”
Luke 22:20 ;Heb 9:20;10:16,29;12:24;13:30.
Hank – Thanks for all the good scriptures you are providing. This is what we like to see. Many of the scriptures you quoted do apply to the Lord’s people (the anointed New Creation / prospective Little Flock). Verses that refer to the New Covenant relate to the roll of the prospective 144,000 as Jesus body members and therefore part of the joint sacrifice that ratifies the New Covenant. All your scriptures about the New Covenant are explained in our article we previously linked to here:
https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2013/07/20/who-has-a-covenant-relationship-with-jehovah/
Either you disagree with the answers provided in the article or you have not taken the time to examine the evidence. Either way, Bible Students allow for the Christian liberty and for each to draw their own honest conclusions. So you are welcome here to explain your point of view, even if you do not care to examine ours. Each visitor can draw their own conclusions. Thanks again and may Jehovah bless you.