So you still believe that Russell was directed by the holy spirit? Doesn’t it state in Deut 18.22 not to fear a prophet if his prophecies don’t come true? How do you reconcile that with Russell’s failed 1914 prophecy of the end of world? which he then went on to conveniently name as the beginning of the end of the gentiles when 1914 prophecy failed? Please explain.
Cameron. A person has the holy spirit aka the spirt of love and truth when he chooses to be obiedient in all things. Being a student of prophecy is one thing but to say in a dogmatic way your that the particular slant you have is from God quite a different matter. Bro. russell never claimed to have a direct communication with the spirit world and he said he did not have the gift of prophecy
As an practicing witness I agree that the child abuse polices of the organisation has breached Caesar’s child protection policies in most countries. Any claim becoming known to elder or elders should be passed on to social services of the country to deal with. The problems for the organisation is they introduced Disfellowshiping in the 1950’s the elder arrangement 1972 and they have heaped judging issues on these elders. The responsibilities are now seem out of control.
If it continues the elders will become like clergy and laity (the rank and file) something from Babeylon the great. Brother Russel who not be happy.
The problem is elders or overseers should only care for pastoral issues, as shepherds and behave a restaurant waiters to Christs sheep the congregation members. The sheep are Christ they are under shepherds not judges.
The 2 witness rule should not apply to abuse victims and if no judging occurs then they would happily let the authorities do there job.
As many on this site say they are distressed with what has happened, not just child abuse victims but also the whole un Christian behaviour of shunning.
Please be assured that Jehovah will right this wrong by either disaplineing wt or a more drastic action on Christs return.
There are many millions of loving witness who have to continue to put up with this behaviour many praying and waiting on Jehovah, meanwhile keeping there heads down and doing what Christs commanded. I have many friends who have stopped being elders because they do not approve of judicial committees and most certainly would not in all conscience be able to sit on one.
Much Christian Love.
Dear Sr. Jackie,
Sorry my phone went out while we were talking last night.
I didn’t want you to think that
I hung up on you.You are so right about the the JW’s.
I am glad you left the JW’s
and stood your ground. That organzation is worse than some of the churches. I hope more people come out of the JW’s
and take their stand also.
Christian love, Sr. Bonnie Interisano
Hi Bonnie I figured that’s what happened. Let’s tell the audience what we were talking about after the Wednesday Night phone in Bible study.
Last week I told Bonnie about the website that helps victims of sexual abuse, http://www.silentlambs.org/ with Bill Bowen.
This site has the actual TV news segments where the JW media spokesperson JR Brown even answers. It has Barbara Anderson and Br. Bowen’s interviews for over an hour with Connie Chung etc.
It also has the Australian TV program. One disturbing thing that you found Bonnie was the fact that the organization puts these men back up in position and won’t tell the congregation that he is a danger but will keep their children away from them. Also no professional help is encouraged. I have dealt with family members that are pioneering but haven’t gotten help and they are in their forties and just still messed up mentally. This brother has devoted his life to helping.
There are so many trying to help clean up this mess that the organization has created.
The organization is doing damage control every Sunday and every mid week service. There is little room now on their programs to go into the Bible.
So now you see why so many of us have to come out of her.
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So you still believe that Russell was directed by the holy spirit? Doesn’t it state in Deut 18.22 not to fear a prophet if his prophecies don’t come true? How do you reconcile that with Russell’s failed 1914 prophecy of the end of world? which he then went on to conveniently name as the beginning of the end of the gentiles when 1914 prophecy failed? Please explain.
Cameron. A person has the holy spirit aka the spirt of love and truth when he chooses to be obiedient in all things. Being a student of prophecy is one thing but to say in a dogmatic way your that the particular slant you have is from God quite a different matter. Bro. russell never claimed to have a direct communication with the spirit world and he said he did not have the gift of prophecy
As an practicing witness I agree that the child abuse polices of the organisation has breached Caesar’s child protection policies in most countries. Any claim becoming known to elder or elders should be passed on to social services of the country to deal with. The problems for the organisation is they introduced Disfellowshiping in the 1950’s the elder arrangement 1972 and they have heaped judging issues on these elders. The responsibilities are now seem out of control.
If it continues the elders will become like clergy and laity (the rank and file) something from Babeylon the great. Brother Russel who not be happy.
The problem is elders or overseers should only care for pastoral issues, as shepherds and behave a restaurant waiters to Christs sheep the congregation members. The sheep are Christ they are under shepherds not judges.
The 2 witness rule should not apply to abuse victims and if no judging occurs then they would happily let the authorities do there job.
As many on this site say they are distressed with what has happened, not just child abuse victims but also the whole un Christian behaviour of shunning.
Please be assured that Jehovah will right this wrong by either disaplineing wt or a more drastic action on Christs return.
There are many millions of loving witness who have to continue to put up with this behaviour many praying and waiting on Jehovah, meanwhile keeping there heads down and doing what Christs commanded. I have many friends who have stopped being elders because they do not approve of judicial committees and most certainly would not in all conscience be able to sit on one.
Much Christian Love.
Dear Sr. Jackie,
Sorry my phone went out while we were talking last night.
I didn’t want you to think that
I hung up on you.You are so right about the the JW’s.
I am glad you left the JW’s
and stood your ground. That organzation is worse than some of the churches. I hope more people come out of the JW’s
and take their stand also.
Christian love, Sr. Bonnie Interisano
Hi Bonnie I figured that’s what happened. Let’s tell the audience what we were talking about after the Wednesday Night phone in Bible study.
Last week I told Bonnie about the website that helps victims of sexual abuse, http://www.silentlambs.org/ with Bill Bowen.
This site has the actual TV news segments where the JW media spokesperson JR Brown even answers. It has Barbara Anderson and Br. Bowen’s interviews for over an hour with Connie Chung etc.
It also has the Australian TV program. One disturbing thing that you found Bonnie was the fact that the organization puts these men back up in position and won’t tell the congregation that he is a danger but will keep their children away from them. Also no professional help is encouraged. I have dealt with family members that are pioneering but haven’t gotten help and they are in their forties and just still messed up mentally. This brother has devoted his life to helping.
There are so many trying to help clean up this mess that the organization has created.
The organization is doing damage control every Sunday and every mid week service. There is little room now on their programs to go into the Bible.
So now you see why so many of us have to come out of her.