WE BELIEVE
- Both the Old and New Testament are Jehovah’s inspired words; the primary source of all Truth.
- Man did not evolve but was created
- Jehovah created his only-begotten Son, Jesus. Jesus created all other things.
- Jesus descended from heaven to earth and was born of Mary as a perfect human man, not as God in flesh.
- God raised Jesus from death in a Spirit body, not in a physical body of flesh.
- The Holy Spirit is Jehovah’s active power and force, not a person.
- The Trinity is no where found or taught in the Bible.
- Man is mortal and does not possess an immortal soul. The soul ceases to exist after death.
- There is no hell of fire where the wicked are punished. ”Hell” is from the same Greek and Hebrew words for “grave,” describing the sleep of death, not eternal torment.
- We are now living in the ‘time of the end’
- Jesus returned and has been invisibly present on earth since the early days of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
- The 144,000 of Revelation 7 are the anointed Bride of Christ in heaven.
- Earth will never be literally destroyed or completely depopulated
- In the Kingdom, Christ will rule the earth in righteousness and peace
- By their faithfulness to God, the obedient of mankind will be granted what our original parents lost—everlasting life in human perfection on a paradise earth.
- Ultimately, the wicked will be eternally destroyed, but not first without a full opportunity to follow Christ.
Greetings Peter K. , what I said was ” , if I were an JW I’d be hopping mad ,”to get you to read it ! There are , “SOME direct JW leadership quotes” Read or don’t read it’s your choice , as I indicated fisticuffs aren’t in the mix . Truth is a precious commodity , buy it and sell it not . Peter this is free with love on the popcorn ! Do you folks search for truth or do you have a lock on all you need ? Leadership ? Loss of status ?
If you don’t read it for any reason , just say so , it’s not my first time across the river , Amigo . “GOD” , after all is LOVE and/of The TRUTH . It pains my heart , people that can’t tell the truth of the smallest things , what does Scripture say about that ? You’re the fourth person I gave that to , response to all is as yours . AlluaYAH
Greetings friends , I’m not trying to start a fight , this is the best , most complete , “J” name work I’ve ever come across . There are SOME direct JW leadership quotes you may want to address in rebuttal , what am I saying , if I were an JW I’d be hopping mad , at the inferences made . I am a YAHweh YAHshua Name believer and hold you may believe anyway you chose . I don’t share all these folks doctrine but as with you folks , some . Good luck .
http://www.forhisname.com/mistaken_j.htm
Hi Ronshua – Are you saying that some JWs would be mad about the inferences made on the site you are linking? Can you give an example if you have time?
Hello Bring Freedom,
The sacrifice of Jesus was under the old law, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. If Jesus was God in the flesh, then the sacrifice He made was not equal since Adam was only a perfect man. Jesus had to be a perfect man like Adam for His sacrifice to be of equal value. That’s why Paul states in Romans 5:18-19, 18 “Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.” Food for thought.
Jacqueline! I just read ABOUT page and this ‘We Believe’
I just knew what is this site is and what kind of people
And in ABOUT page ‘we are bible student’ that is original watch tower people
I was not know what is ‘American bible student’ story
but I know now
but I want to something of your wrong speak in ‘We Believe’
1. “- Both the Old and New Testament are Yehowah(Jehovah)’s inspired words; the primary source of all Truth.”
Yeah, you know Old and New Testament is God’s word
and can you check in Matthew {He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”}
Old and New Testament is saying “Fear God & love your neighbor as yourself & Yeshua/Jesus is son of God”
2. “- Man did not evolve but was created”
Right
God was created אדם(Adem/human) but Adam’s wife was deceived by Satan.
In first letter to Timothy “Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and came to be in transgression” and you know in Genesis
3. “- Jehovah created his only-begotten Son, Jesus. Jesus created all other things.”
It is right but I say we ought not to imagine that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone; can you understand?
4. “- Jesus descended from heaven to earth and was born of Mary as a perfect human man, not as God in flesh.”
in 1 Corinthians {But keep watching that this authority of YOURS does not somehow become a stumbling block to those who are weak. For if anyone should see you, the one having knowledge, reclining at a meal in an idol temple, will not the conscience of that one who is weak be built up to the point of eating foods offered to idols? Really, by your knowledge, the man that is weak is being ruined, [your] brother for whose sake Christ died.}
I mean our lord Yeshua(Jesus) was came tribe of Yehudah(Judah) and born in virgin Miryam(Mary) but “not as God in flesh” is different
Can you read “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” and “So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of grace and truth.”
but someone who read your writing “not as God in flesh” whom he will understand “is Jesus is not God?”
5. “- God raised Jesus from death in a Spirit body, not in a physical body of flesh.”
No! God raised ‘physical body of flesh’
you do not know ישוע(Yeshua/Jesus) was “And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light.” in holy mountain
and “about the fourth watch of the night he came toward them, walking on the sea;”
Our lord before death he was “transfigured” and “walking on the sea”
God is makeing even ‘physical body of flesh’ for miracle not ‘Spirit body’ only
also physical body of flesh whom Laz´a·rus of Beth´a·ny lord Jesus raised from the dead
6. “- The Holy Spirit is Jehovah’s active power and force, not a person.”
It is something different I know רוח הקודש(Ruach HaKodesh/The Holy Spirit) is not a person but it is not completely saying ‘no’
7. “- The Trinity is no where found or taught in the Bible.”
It is alos not completely saying ‘no’
I know what you mean but can you read in matthew “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,”
8. “- Man is mortal and does not possess an immortal soul. The soul ceases to exist after death.”
is right”His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish.” but not completely. in 1 Samuel[And “Samuel” began to say to Saul: “Why have you disturbed me by having me brought up?” To this Saul said: “I am in very sore straits, as the Phi·lis´tines are fighting against me, and God himself has departed from me and has answered me no more, either by means of the prophets or by dreams; so that I am calling you to let me know what I shall do.”]
your mean is only bad men’s ending
9. “- There is no hell of fire where the wicked are punished. ”Hell” is from the same Greek and Hebrew words for “grave,” describing the sleep of death, not eternal torment.”
שאול(Sheol) is Luke “And in Sheol(Ha´des) he lifted up his eyes, he existing in torments, and he saw Abraham afar off and Laz´a·rus in the bosom [position] with him.”
שאול is Hell ,Gehindom,grave, right not only grave
10. “- We are now living in the ‘time of the end’”
only who believe our lord Yeshua(Jesus) HaMashiach(the christ) have a eternal life not everyone
11. “- Jesus returned and has been invisibly present on earth since the early days of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.”
your mean is The Holy Spirit where living in true people of King of Heaven
12. “- The 144,000 of Revelation 7 are the anointed Bride of Christ in heaven.”
144,000 people is Holy people of 12 tribe of Israel each 12000 people
13. “- Earth will never be literally destroyed or completely depopulated
In the Kingdom, Christ will rule the earth in righteousness and peace”
Can you read 2 Kepah(Peter) “But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.” and “awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which [the] heavens being on fire will be dissolved and [the] elements being intensely hot will melt!”
and at the end of the millennium kingdom New Heaven New Earth and New Yerushalaim coming
this very earth is not forever this very Earth is until the millennium kingdom is finish time existence
14. “- By their faithfulness to God, the obedient of mankind will be granted what our original parents lost—everlasting life in human perfection on a paradise earth.”
You learned at False prophet teaching
Can you read “Also, with covetousness they will exploit YOU with counterfeit words.”2 Kepha
15 “- Ultimately, the wicked will be eternally destroyed, but not first without a full opportunity to follow Christ.”
Could know hebrew in Psalms 1 “כי־יודע יהוה דרך צדיקים ודרך רשעים תאבד”
ki(For)-yo·v·de·a(is taking knowledge) Yehowah(Jehovah) de·rech(way of) tzad·di·kim(righteous ones) ve·de·rech(But the very way of ) re·sha·’im(wicked ones) to·ved(will perish).
I think you miss-understand. We agree Jesus is not God in the flesh. He is the son of God. What in a few words is the false prophet teaching. Just write it in your own words so we understand you. Use few words please. Thank you. Peace
“Jesus is God in the flesh” this mean is right
John 1:1 “….and the Word was God”
John 1:14 “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us…..”
but your mean “We agree Jesus is not God in the flesh.” this is AntiChrist’s mean moreover John’s first letter 4:2,3
“This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.”
you denied “We agree Jesus is not God in the flesh” so your mean is condemn youself
Bring Freedom – I appreciate your sincerity and zeal. Please read this article on John 1:1 here:. I encourage you to consider our articles on the Trinity here to examine the scripture evidence.
Bible Students believe Jesus came in the FLESH, just like Adam, as a perfect human being. Trinitarians believe Jesus was a God-Man, both God and Man at the same time (and three gods in one at that). So who’s belief is closest to the verse you quoted about Jesus coming in the flesh?
The word God, in John 1:1 is the Greek word “Theos.” Even Satan is called the “God (Theos) of this world” (2 Cor 4:4) and Herod was called a god (Theos) in Acts 12:22. John 1:1 can be translated, “the Word was a god.” (Wilson’s Diaglott)
Think about it friend. The Word “Trinity is not found in the Bible. The words “Father,” “Son” and “Holy Spirit” are never found together except in Matt 28:19, which does nothing to prove the Trinity. If you look at the Bible with a belief already in mind, you can find your belief, whatever you are looking for. If you study the Bible itself objectively, looking to see what it says, you will never find the teaching of the Trinity in it.
Shalom
הִים׃הִים וְהוּא הַדָּבָר הָיָה אֱבְּרֵאשִׁית הָיָה הַדָּבָר וְהַדָּבָר הָיָה אֶת־הָאֱ
Be(in)Reshit(beginning) Haya(was) Ha(the)Dabar(word) Be(and)Ha(the)Dabar(word) Haya(was) Eat(with)-Ha(the)Elohim(God) Be(and)Hu(that) Ha(the)Dabar(word) Haya(was) Elohim(God)
(I know few of Hebrew)
this is John 1:1 Hebrew bible
Jesus is God/god(I know our Lord’s father is greater then him John14:28) and Jesus is Son of God and Most High’s first creation and Jesus is so called God/god because his position is Son of Most High
But we know to follow our Lord Jesus’s way
Philippians 2:5 “Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in very naturea God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing,taking the very natureb of a servant,being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man,he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross! 9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is bove every name,”
and (2 Cor 4:4)is only something of world’s ruler mean and (Acts 12:22) is only someone’s surprising mean
Repent! God is with us
Philippians 2:9 bove is above
False prophet/teachers are covering sheep’s clothes
is this your saying “I appreciate your sincerity and zeal.”
and false testimony for trap who never sined is you Peter K
You son of viper, I convinced, you will go to hell and lake of fire
and you who needs Kingdom of heaven, you hindrance
and by yourself do not enter
You son of viper I convinced, you will go to hell and lake of fire
I’m not Catholics or Protestant or any religious organization
I talked only what I learned in the Holy Bible
that is I know truth
you head of false leader! you will be judged in the last day
BringFreedom – I admire your enthusiam. You sound pretty harsh, but under that rough exterior, I’ll bet you are warm, fuzzy and lovable. Remember friend, the Apostle John told us the “God is love.” His Justice is balanced with love and mercy. If I am a bad guy and going to hell, why then did Paul say in Acts 24:15-16 – “there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.” NKJV. Doesn’t this say bad guys are coming back in the resurrection. That is when they will get the opportunity for learning and judgment. Isa 26:9 – “when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.“ This judgment period is not a time of fear and dread, but quite the opposite. Ps 96:10-13 – “The LORD reigns…He shall judge the peoples righteously… let the earth be glad.” Ps 67 – “let the nations be glad and sing for joy! For You shall judge the people righteously.” Other scripture show that bad people will come back in future kingdom. Ezek 16:55, 61,62 – Sodom and her daughters, return to their former state NKJV Isa 60:14 –all those who despised you will bow themselves at the souls of your feet; And they will call you the city of the LORD. The Zion of the Holy One of Israel. – NASV Rev 3:9 – I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan…to come and bow down at your feet” At that time, people from all over the world will go to Jerusalem to learn God’s ways. Mic 4:1-2 – “Many nations shall say, “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths.” At that time all people and nations will worship and serve God. Phil 2:9-11 – EVERY knee should bow…and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Rev 15:4 – all nations shall come and worship before You..” NKJV. Dan 7:14, 27 – “ALL peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him” His kingdom is everlasting. See friend, Jehovah is a loving God and he has a plan to restore all humanity: Acts 3:21 – “times of restoration of all things… spoken by … all His holy prophets” NKJV
BringFreedom hello, how are you friend?
We do not believe that Jesus is Jehovah God in the flesh. We do agree that the word is “a” god.
Phillipians 2:6,9-11 “For the divine nature was his from the first; yet he did not think to snatch at equality with God”.(NEB) ‘ and every knee will bow on earth and in heaven and in the depths; but notice ‘ and every tongue confess ‘Jesus Christ is Lord,’ to the Glory of GOD the FATHER.’ A son is not his Father although he may be the spitting image of him, agree and think like him. He is still his son . Also notice verse 9. “Therefore GOD raised him and bestowed on him the name above all names” ‘. There is definitely 2 different divine ones here, one having greater power to assign honor above all other creatures and creations existing. We might be saying the same thing. I don’t really understand to the fullest whether you are agreeing or disagreeing. Is this clear? Good day. Jacqueline
If you understand of truth thing, I don’t accuse you, and I’ll forgive you and receive you as sister in Christ
1Jn3:16″This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.”
Many peoples are eating sacrificed to idols food because they are don’t know the truth, and they only learned the philosophy of human
that philosophy, is not belong to our Lord Jesus
just like Paul said “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.”col2:8
and “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone–an image made by man’s design and skill.” act17:29
On your mean “We do not believe that Jesus is Jehovah God in the flesh.”
In this way we not to can say because Lord Jesus said “When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me.”John12:45
When we see him(Jesus Christ) also we seen our Heavenly Father(the Almighty)
John 14:9 “Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? ”
Yeah, we do not say “We do not believe that Jesus is Jehovah God in the flesh”
and we don’t cause stumblie the little faith having brother, when we have knowledge “9Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, won’t he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? 11So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall.“1 Corinthians 8
BringFreedom – Are you saying that Jesus is the Father? Because in the Trinity doctrine, Jesus is the Son, not the Father. In John 14:9, Jesus was merely saying that he was so much like the Father, that knowing him was the same as knowing the Father. The same thing should be true with use, that people should see Jesus in us, if we are walking in the spirit. (Col 1:27) Jesus prayed: “that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us.” (John 17:21). Jesus was in the Father, just in the same way that we are in the Father and in Jesus. We are one with them in spirit and in purpose. If Jesus being in the Father proves he is part of the Trinity, then we being in the Father would prove that we are part of the Trinity too. Obviously, that makes no sense. Read more by clicking here:
Hi to you all, I’m glad to have found this site, and I plan to revisit. Reading some of your posts, it is interesting to see people simply try get back to the simple message of the Bible, with the goal of walking each day with God and Jesus Christ.
May I make two comments on KEY ISSUEs:
1.
The religion of the Watchtower Society and the true Faith of being a Witness of Jehovah are entirely different. The 1st witness was Abel – thousands of years before the Watchtower religion made its appearance. True witnesses strive to live like Jesus -they do NOT love money, or draw attention to themselves by opulent living. They give, and they serve.
2.
While it is natural to ask questions and to seek Bible knowledge … true Christians NEVER forget 1 Co 13: KNOWLEDGE PUFFS UP, LOVE BUILDS UP.
Based on some 50 years association with the Watchtower religion, it is evident that this has been their ongoing downfall – the endless pursuit of knowledge, especially of prophecy. Real love doesn’t just go from door to door handing out literature and a message. Real love HELPS PEOPLE – the sick, the needy, the downtrodden. . . yes, even the offcasts from society (the proverbial harlots and tax collectors). If necessary, it puts food on their tables, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their heads. Sure – it’s not easy. But Jesus and the apostles did it. With God’s help we can, too.
Greetings, and I hope I have not offended any Watchtower member who happens to read these pages.
Thanks Frank for sharing great thoughts and insights. I might add Jesus’ words from John 17:17 “”Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.” The purpose of truth and knowledge is to have a sanctifying effect in our lives, to change our hearts to be more like Christ’s. Paul put is this way in Rom 12:2, “Be transformed by the renewing of your minds.”
Frank, I appreciate the love you show for our spiritual brothers that are JW.