We Believe

WE BELIEVE

  • Both the Old and New Testament are Jehovah’s inspired words; the primary source of all Truth.
  • Man did not evolve but was created
  • Jehovah created his only-begotten Son, Jesus.  Jesus created all other things.
  • Jesus descended from heaven to earth and was born of Mary as a perfect human man, not as God in flesh.
  • God raised Jesus from death in a Spirit body, not in a physical body of flesh.
  • The Holy Spirit is Jehovah’s active power and force, not a person.
  • The Trinity is no where found or taught in the Bible.
  • Man is mortal and does not possess an immortal soul.  The soul ceases to exist after death.
  • There is no hell of fire where the wicked are punished.  “Hell” is from the same Greek and Hebrew words for “grave,” describing the sleep of death, not eternal torment.
  • We are now living in the ‘time of the end’
  • Jesus returned and has been invisibly present on earth since the early days of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
  • The 144,000 of Revelation 7 are the anointed Bride of Christ in heaven.
  • Earth will never be literally destroyed or completely depopulated
  • In the Kingdom, Christ will rule the earth in righteousness and peace
  • By their faithfulness to God, the obedient of mankind will be granted what our original parents lost—everlasting life in human perfection on a paradise earth.
  • Ultimately, the wicked will be eternally destroyed, but not first without a full opportunity to follow Christ.

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289 comments to We Believe

  • max

    Hi Jeff nice to hear you again;

    I am aorry you did not understand me in the past. Yes you were right, the great crowd remains on earth. That is the one side. The other side are removed at Armageddon. But it is the anointed left on earth who they are against, there is no way they can attack heavenly Jerusalem. In other words,If they were not positively for Him, would it not mean that they were actually against Him? Yes,it means exactly that!
    Now as you read 14:15, note a new paragraph break. 14:16,”And it must accur that, as regards everyone out of all the nations that are coming against Jerusalem, they must also go up from year to year to bow down to the King, Jehovah, of armies,and to celebrate the festival of booths.”

    Jeff ask yourself,how can they be coming against Jerusalem and yet are going to celebrate the festival of Booths after Armagedden has already happened?

    Here is where you misunderstood me. These are the nations who are resurrected, these would be those who had never heard about the kingdom or new very little about it, and remember, you were either for it or against it at Armagedden. A judgement Day! Now they are learning about the King Jehovah and His kingdom. Now they who were against Jerusalem are now for it.

    Celebration time!!! Consider,Is 66:19; Acts 15:17; Ps 86:9; Is 27:13; Jer 48:15; Ro 15:11

    Take care

    • Jeff M

      Hi Max,

      Yes, that time will be a resurrection time, but the context is not speaking of any resurrection. The context specifically speasks of something that had happened earlier in the chapter, i.e., “the survivors of the nations that attacked Jerusalem”.

      You asked how this could be…how these unbelievers could worship after armageddon. The only way these unbelieving nations can come and worship after armageddon, according to this context, is that these survivors will be given opportunity to worship!

  • max

    To Peter K;

    Please read what I sent to Dupin. I made up a conversation and it does exactly what Happens at Rev 2:3-6. It is clear as day. The Pastor explained it that way and believes it.
    Remember in the book of Acts early on. Persecution broke out and all but the apostles fled Jerusalem. Philip went into Samaria and preached and it was so good that when John heard about it , he took another and t help out. And remember when Paul said the preaching covered the earth, I believe in Col. Keep in mind Egypt was right next to Israel. Any one would know the preaching would have gone there to. And yes they would need rightings, and copies of the scriptutes just like everyone else. Their copies had Rev 20:5, long before the Pastor thought it was spurious. And remember what you told me, he learned from others. But I also showed you that things he learned and preached became old light. His words, the three worlds book.
    From the Pastor’s book Vol VI page 721,”will be the general resurrection of the world of mankind, so many as will accept the divine provisions and arrangements,-the resurrection by judgement to be completed only with the close of the Millennial age. IN THIS SENSE OF THE WORD IT WILL INDEED BE A FACT THAT”THE REST OF THE DEAD” WILL LIVE NOT”UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS ARE FINISHED”-THEY WILL NOT HAVE LIFE IN ITS FULL, PROPER, COMPLETE SENSE; THEY WILL NOT BE RAISED UP COMPLETELY OUT OF DEATH UNTIL THEN.” Caps were mine.

    He continues on,”Thus viewed, the spurious clause of Rev. 20:5* is found to be in full accord with the general tenor of Scripture.”

    Peter———-“is found to be in full accord.”

    When the Pastor tells you 1 John 5:7 wasn’t like the King James says, Iam sure you believe him. So do I. In that case the verse was there but the words changed. Keep in mind it didn’t show up till about 1200 C.E.

    Tell me, how many other spurious verse according to him, he ended up saying was correct even though it is spurious.

  • max

    To Dupin;

    Don’t you find it interesting that the Sahidic had it in, and yet some say it should not be in, yet the Pastor teaches what the Sahidic said.

  • max

    To Dupin on dating;

    The Date Of The Version

    According to the opinion of Harnack expressed in the second edition of his Expansion of Christianity no trustworthy information concerning the origin of the religion of Christ in Egypt exists; though he remarks that the traditional list of the Patriarchs of Alexandria ought not be lightly disregarded.
    With the accession of Demetrius in A.D.188 the real history of the Egyptian Church may be said to begin. During his long patriarchate he appointed four bishops, and his successor Heraclas as many as twenty, which indicates a rapid progress of the Church. Clement of Alexandria, born about A.D.150, speaks of the Christians spreading all over the land, and while Onigen in his discussion with Celsus admits that the number of Christians was small in the early part of the third century, yet there were enough to persecute under the rule of Decius in A.D.250.
    Considering the ease with which some of the ancient Egyptian beliefs might be adapted to the creed and teaching of Christians, and that there was probaly an heretical Gospel of the Egyptians in the second century, we can hardy deny the likelihood of an early propagation of the faith. If with Harnack, relying on Lerpoldt,’we may conjecture, though we cannot prove, that the Sahidic Version partly goes back to the third century’,there seems some reason for supposing that need of a vernacular Version arose as early as the time of Demitrius.
    Where history fails us, the internal character of the Sahidic supplies confirmation of a date earlier than the third century. Being fundamentally of the older Alexandrian type, yet bearing signs of mixture from one or more sources, we can imagine the Version as of a form of text which, diverging from the main stream, retained variations belonging to the earliest times, such as are known by the name of Western readings. These it preserved, and adopted afterwards some of the readings which are usually regarded as due to a later Syrian revision.
    This theory does not preclude the translation of the Greek having taken place as late as the third century, but the traces of early mixture shown by the definite tinge of Western influence can hardly be explained except by reference to a date as early as possible. If Christianity did not exist at all in Upper Egypt before A.D.150, then we must come down to the date of Demetrius as the ealiest possible date of the Version; but if, as is more likely, the Christian religion had spread by means of the Nile immediately after it began to be preached in Alexandria, and had already become infected by heretical and semi-pagan superstitions in the second century, we may provisionally conclude from the character of the Sahidic Version that it was made at that time.

  • max

    To Ken;

    Did you see that big structure off the coast of Japan that they discovered about 60 feet below water?

  • max

    To Dupin;

    It is near the bottom. But do me a favor. Search 1987 structor found off Japanese cost about 60 feet down.
    1. They find it hard to have been built by man alone.
    2. The triangle parralles the Bermuda triangle and you don’t want to fly through either.
    3. So if God built the great pyramid, he must have built this two football lenght awesome structure.

    • ken

      Let’s not forgot magical powers that may have hepled build some of these ancient structures…..remember how the magic practising priest in Moses’ day were able to perform some of the “miracles” that Moses did, were did these priest get that power from?

      • Jacqueline

        I went to the history channel online and looked at the entire film. It reminds me of the mentionings in the book of Enoch of the magical arts being taught to men and how to build. Also their huge sons could have moved and made these structures. They also found stone statues there. The book of Enoch sheds a lot of light on life by the Angelic influences.

        • ken

          Also Jacqueline,if the pyramid of Giza was made by the rebel angels and their sons,(before the flood) that would explain why it’s much older than the other pyramids.

          • Jacqueline

            Ken I will look at the link Br. Peter supplied. I saw a video of the pyramid a while back but now I want to check this out a little nmore. I can understand that during the flood much must have sunk below while mountains shot up! I imagine some other climatic changes happened after that massive climate changer, the flood. Good knowledge but not a salvation issue for me. I have learned to listen, store, and use all info to increase my faith and help me develop character. This is something that was never required or discussed in the JW org, only by my mother and father the little time he had with us. I am able to do a lot of studying while here substituting for my son while he is overseas on job assignment. I drive the kids to school and pickup, (45mins away, wow) doctors appointments etc. During the waiting my smartphone is awesome for research and study. Take Care Ken as we enjoy our freedom in Christ! What a blessing for us and the rest of the “concious class.

  • max

    To Dupin;

    If you read everything carefully it shows the Pastor does agree with it. Thats was put in the article.

  • max

    To Peter K.;

    Lets consider what just took place. “Babylon the Great is no more.” “They said: Hallelujah! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God.” Ps 150:6,”Everybreathing thing-let it praise Jah. Praise Jah you people.” Why 13 times this 150th Psalm calls for praise to be given to Jehovah. The Bible has countless accounts of breathing living humans told or are Praising Jah, or Hallelujah, Jehovah is salvation. Jonah 2:2,”Out of the belly of Sheol cried I,And thou hearest my voice.”
    Now if Jehovah who is in heaven can hear a man who is inside a great fish all the way up to heaven why can’t he hear people from earth shoutings praise and glory to him as Savior in heaven? And Rev 7:says they are peoples,10,”cry with a great voice.” Yes Jehovah can hear it from heaven! 12,”Blessing.” they atribute to God. It ss them coming through the great trib and never dying.

    But the little flock have to die. Because the Bible shows it. And the faithful little flock are raised to heaven, because the Bible shows it. But the Bible shows neither for the great crowd, it just shows they come throught the great trib, not dead needing a resurrection, but alive, with everlasting life in view on the earth. As regards the little flock, Rev 14:4,”These were purchased from among men.” Right in 3,”144,000 they that had been purchased out of the earth.” Show me where it says the great crowd is purchased out of the earth.

  • max

    To Peter K. and Jani;

    Rev 20:5? Vol VI page 721 by Charles Taze Russell reads on footnote. “We have already drawn attention to the fact that the clause “The rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished,” is without any support from ancient MSS. of earlier date than the fifth century; nevertheless it is in full accord with what we are here presenting, for the term”lived not”should be understood to refer not to awakening but to full restitution to life in the perfect degree. See footnote Vol I., p. 288 which reads,”In this verse the words”But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished”are spurious. They are not found in the oldest and most reliable Greek MSS.,the Sinatic, Vatican Nos. 1209 and 1160, nor the Syriac MS.”
    The footnote is long and that is all I am putting down. Why? Mr. Russell did not have all the manuscripts we have today. For example, the Egyptian Coptic Church. They have very old manuscripts, which I supose are in many muesemns around the world now. They had Revelation 20:5. So it was not spurious! Then why did apostate Chistendom take it out? It didn’t fit the twisting of scripture that they wanted to teach. How old are those manuscripts? Some say about 300 C.E. I believe the Christian Coptic Church believes about 200 C.E. And some very educated in this field believe possibly 188 C.E. And not sure but possibly 150 C.E.
    Just think, we have copies of John’s writing less than a hundred years after he died. And when they put it into their language from Greek they put a god at John 1:1 and we all know how Christendom hates that letter a.
    n.nahrm p.noute-presence of the god
    Auw ne.u.noute pe p.shaje-And a god was the word
    And we can see that in referring to the Word, the Coptic translators employed the Coptic indefinite article(ou; just “u” following the vowel “e”): ne.u.noute,”was a god.”
    Now going back to Vol VI pages 720 and 721 consider what Mr. Russell wrote. “We have already seen that there are different orders in the resurrection,-three of which are unto life, unto perfection, though on different planes of being; the Church occupying the first place, the “great company” and ancient worthies following in order; and that subsequently, or last, will be the general resurrection of the world, open to the whole world of mankind, so many as will accept the divine provisions and arrangements,-the resurrection by judgement to be completed only with the close of the Millenium age. Thus viewed, the spurious clause of Rev. 20:5 is found to be in full accord with the general tenor of Scripture.”
    Another place where the Pastor had a wrong idea, was the great company of underachievers getting a resurrection to heaven. The Bible says they come through the great tribulation and does not show them dying or being resurrected.

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Max – In Rev 19:1 the Great Crowd is in heaven.

    • Dupin

      Our Witness to the text of Revelation for the Sahidic Coptic language is Berlin 408 dated to the fourth century. That makes it pretty much contemporary with the Sinaitic manuscript. I do point out to my fellow Bible Students on occasion that we do have access to many manuscripts now that Russell didn’t have and we do need to take into account what they have to tell us. Warren Wells includes the text of Revelation 20:5 in both his Bohairic and Sahidic master texts. His is the most recent effort to produce such a text and iis based on a wider array of manuscripts to work with than did Dr. Horner, who produced what was for many years the last word on the Coptic text.

      As you noted, the Pastor did explain that the verse under discussion was not out of harmony with the Bible even though he considered it spurious. I run into brethren all the time who think that any passage not found in the Sinaitic Manuscript is spurious on its face. You just demonstrated why that reasoning lies on slippery ground. The Sinaitic manuscript is but one witness to the text. We really need to take more than one such witness into account.

  • max

    To Jani;

    No one takes delight in the persecution of anyone. Let me say, no one who loves God. I supose if every account was listed from the fall of Adam and Eve, it would sadly be a huge number. When all is said and done, there will never be a question as to God’s right to being the only sovereign.
    Until then we do well to remember what he told four of his close followers right before being killed himself. “You will be handed over to the courts. You will be flogged in synagogues.” Mark 13:9 NE Bible

    Note, “Brother will betray brother to death.” 13:12

    “All will hate you.” 13:13

    And what did one faithful one say who went through alot of it? Phil 4:13,”I have strength for anything through him who gives me power.” Yes Paul went trough it all, but kept his integrity by the help he received.

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