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  • User AvatarChristopher Johns { But marc it's been fun. Imma leave that last comment as it stands. I just hope we both can come to truth. Have a great... } – Dec 15, 12:35 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc. Romans 10 has been discussed here in dept. I’ll post it again here. Notice the difference between God and Christ through all of Romans... } – Dec 15, 9:00 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Ugh. 1 Peter 2:3 was totally ignored while 1 Peter 3:15 you resorted to using an unreliable text. Try this: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+3%3A15&version=NASB And the evidence I... } – Dec 15, 8:46 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc. It won’t let me post links. Each time I do it won’t post. } – Dec 15, 8:42 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { I'd like to see where Sharpe applies these rules to John 20:28. Please reference a link or citation for your assertion. For Thomas "said unto... } – Dec 15, 8:37 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { And another. Did Thomas address Jesus as God in John 20:28? Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” Let’s read the verse in context. 24... } – Dec 15, 8:07 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc Thank again. ISAIAH 8:13 isnt applied to jesus in 1 Pet 3:15. Notice the distinctions in 1 Peter Chapter 3 between God and Christ.... } – Dec 15, 8:06 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { John 20:28 The Granville Sharp First and Sixth Rules The Granville Sharp First Rule of Greek Grammar states that when you have a TSKS construction,... } – Dec 15, 7:49 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { How can the Lord Jesus not be YHWH when 1. Peter applies YHWH from Psalm 34:8 unto Him in 1 Peter 2:3? 2. Peter applies... } – Dec 15, 7:13 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hello Chris, I'd like to see some lexical backing for your assertion because I found this: 1. BDAG (3rd Edition): Concerning John 20:28 states that... } – Dec 15, 7:09 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Still none of the evidence I gave concerning Romans 10 has been refuted. } – Dec 15, 7:03 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc. The whole context of Romans 10 is God. Not jesus. He is mentioned though. Also Hebrews 1:8 does not say "Thy Throne of God"... } – Dec 15, 6:42 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Marc. If you that doesnt get it. Let me get someone else to explain it you you since John 20:28 completely contradicts 1 Tim 2:5.... } – Dec 15, 6:40 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { None of the evidence I gave concerning Romans 10:13 is in reference to Jesus was refuted. In terms of Hebrews 1:8 notice Hebrews 1:10 does... } – Dec 15, 5:09 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { It's you that don't get it. Thomas referred to the Lord Jesus as "my God" and Thomas was a monotheist. } – Dec 15, 5:06 AM
  • User AvatarChris John's { Marc, Hebrews 1:8 isnt the only possible translation. Even the ASV which us extremely accurate in the footnotes shows that " God is your throne... } – Dec 15, 4:49 AM
  • User AvatarChris John's { Marc, Hebrews 1:8 isnt thebes ok not possible translation. Even the ASV which us extremely accurate in the footnotes shows that " God is your... } – Dec 15, 4:48 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { He doesnt get it. He says God doesnt have a God yet when jesus said "I am ascending to my God" throws his whole arguement... } – Dec 15, 4:38 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hello Richard, It was not for Jesus to give such information "right now" to those making such a request self-centered request. Christ will not take... } – Dec 15, 4:23 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Marc,you have not commented on what Jesus meant in Mathew 20:23.This is where the Mother of the Sons of Zebedee aproached Jesus & asked... } – Dec 15, 2:51 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { You asked if God has a God. The answer is no, because there is only one God. The Son calls the Father "God" in John... } – Dec 15, 1:32 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Pretty interesting here. Jesus and Jehovah (Yahweh) This site's purpose is to respond to claims that Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh by pointing out what the scriptures... } – Dec 15, 12:18 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { None of that you said shows Jesus to be jehovah. "There is one God and One mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus."... } – Dec 15, 12:07 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { To know the only true God (John 17:3) = To know the Lord (Hebrews 8:11) Hebrews 8:11 is from Jeremiah 31:34 and this "knowing" the... } – Dec 14, 7:10 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { But they are never referred to as "my God" for a very good reason. Jesus is given worship in Revelation because of His attributes -... } – Dec 14, 6:55 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Jesus is not the YHWH of the Old Testament. Psalm 110:1 “Jehovah said to my Lord “Sit at my Right hand...” Jesus is said to... } – Dec 14, 5:34 PM
  • User AvatarChris J { THey are called God. Elohim. Plain and simple. Yet we don’t called them God do we. I have heard the argument that since Jesus and... } – Dec 14, 2:54 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { I meant to write 1 Peter 3:15 (not 2:15). These are not the only places YHWH from the OLd Testament is applied unto the Lord... } – Dec 14, 2:50 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Chris, Moses and Abraham are never properly referred to as "my God" - this only should be applied to the true God (cf. John 20:28).... } – Dec 14, 2:45 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Still incorrect. Moses and Abraham and Angels are Called God as well. Jesus said we are gods. Also, the Bible says 1 Cor 8:6 “there... } – Dec 14, 2:15 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { I meant to say "functional subjection does not necessitate ontological inferiority." Look at the attributes both the Father and the Son receive praise for in... } – Dec 14, 12:29 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hello Chris, Ontological subjection does not necessitate ontological inferiority. "God" (theos) is primarily (although not exclusively) used of the Father. The same holds true concerning... } – Dec 14, 12:10 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hello Peter, As I pointed out above, the foundation for which I believe the Trinity is the Bible. There is one God and yet the... } – Dec 14, 12:00 PM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Peter, I believe the Bible. "There is One God and One Mediator between God and Man." Hod is never called three. Jesus said the head... } – Dec 14, 11:36 AM
  • User AvatarChris Johns { Amen Peter, The world is not aware of Gods plan. That's why we are a little flock. Narrow is the way and FEW are the... } – Dec 14, 11:33 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Marc for your reply. The The Nicene Creed principally drawn up by the Council of Nice in A.D. 325, states "...God of (or from)... } – Dec 14, 7:45 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { The "trinities" of pagans is not really that comparable to the Christian Trinity in that in Christianity the belief in only 1 God is affirmed.... } – Dec 14, 4:10 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - Are you aware of the history of how the idea of the Trinity became a Christian doctrine, even though not found in any... } – Dec 13, 6:01 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Thanks Marc. The link I provided answers your point -- Acts 4:12…no other name. The world of mankind will have the opportunity to call on... } – Dec 13, 5:30 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Acts 4:12...no other name. } – Dec 11, 3:57 PM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { It's pretty much Black and White for you Marc? You either know Jesus NOW or perish forever? } – Dec 11, 10:49 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hello Peter, Thanks for your kind words. I think God does love everyone in that He demonstrates His goodness on both the just and the... } – Dec 11, 6:00 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, What I like about you is you unapologetically come out and say exactly what you believe and you are even providing sculptures which you... } – Dec 11, 4:47 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { If this person dies they are still in their sins. A person "in their sins" is not forgiven. So the answer to your question is... } – Dec 10, 9:34 PM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { Hey Marc, So if a person has NEVER heard of Jesus or been witness to about Jesus, are they "eternally and consciously separated from God... } – Dec 10, 9:19 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hello Peter, Another huge topic. I am not sure how much detail you want in what I believe, but I will start with a few... } – Dec 10, 9:04 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, Would you be willing to discuss another topic? What are your thoughts on Salvation? Who will be saved and who are lost? For example,... } – Dec 10, 8:10 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hello Rolando, I also found this concerning John 5:23 in which Charles Taze Russell cited in reference to praying to/worshiping the Lord Jesus. Prayers of... } – Dec 10, 7:05 PM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { This is a great presentation and a great Witness effort. I remember when I was still with the JW's, I invited some of my free... } – Dec 10, 5:04 PM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { I heard a talk by one of their elders once, he referred to the Father in his prayer as "Daddy". } – Dec 10, 4:59 PM
  • User AvatarROLANDO RODRIGUEZ { It's interesting to note what Pastor Russell said on page 540 and 541 of the Question Book on this subject. QUESTION (1912)--1--Are there special instances... } – Dec 10, 4:55 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hello Peter, Yes, I would agree with the above. } – Dec 10, 2:25 PM
  • User AvatarPeter K (Admin) { Thanks Marc. I appreciate you because you are are making an honest effort to attempt to answer questions. Many Christians through the centuries have had... } – Dec 10, 10:51 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { They were not worshiped in Isaiah 60:14. They were given obeisance. Unlike in Greek, there is no Hebrew word in the Bible for the worship... } – Dec 10, 8:21 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { To call upon the name of the Lord means the same thing as praying to the Lord. Psalm 116:4 Then I called upon the name... } – Dec 10, 8:08 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc, Joseph was honored as the second ruler in Egypt under Pharaoh. They were both honored as rulers, but were two different people. If bowing... } – Dec 10, 6:53 AM
  • User AvatarPeter K. (admin) { Marc - Thanks for engaging in conversation with us. None of the scriptures you referenced used the word "prayer." You take expressions like "calling on... } – Dec 10, 6:45 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Thus Ronald E. Frye is terribly wrong when he asserts that latreuō is "never to Jesus Christ" (page 41). http://www.christianrespondent.com/pubs/Father-Son.pdf Try as they may, those... } – Dec 10, 6:05 AM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { But they were never properly called "my God" - but Jesus was because He is the true God. } – Dec 10, 5:57 AM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Dear Bro Chris,you/we are wasting our time.Nowhere was Marc able to explain any scripture that says God is greater than Jesus,or why Jesus is the... } – Dec 09, 11:25 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { They do not receive "the same worship" https://www.christforums.com/forums/topic/27764-david-was-not-worshiped-in-1-chronicles-2920/?tab=comments#comment-99479 } – Dec 09, 10:27 PM
  • User AvatarChris { So then 1 Chron 29:20 shows that God and mind receive the same worship. Hmmm go ahead a google a site rnst will confirm what... } – Dec 09, 10:24 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Yes. Touche. Becasue I used to argue with every trinitarian I could find. Which is why you came to this page. Spiritual maturity will come... } – Dec 09, 10:23 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Again I'll let you have the last word since it will make you feel better. I used to be just like rnst. Jehivah will open... } – Dec 09, 10:22 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Again I'll let you have the last word since its going to make you feel like you proved someone wrong. I hope jehovah opens your... } – Dec 09, 10:20 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Not one passage exists where believers render to the Father any kind of so-called superior worship to Him that the Lord Jesus does not receive.... } – Dec 09, 10:20 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { From a Unitarian: John W. Schoenheit: 9:14. “call upon your name.” This phrase refers to prayer, and here people in Damascus were praying to Jesus.... } – Dec 09, 10:15 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Yo are arguing too so that means you are insecure in your beliefs. Touche' } – Dec 09, 10:14 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Marc. I'll let you get that last word since it what you want. Have a great night. } – Dec 09, 10:10 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Bible- Father is greater that I am You-Jesus IS coequal with the father. Bible- This means everlasting life. Their knowing YOU the only true God.... } – Dec 09, 10:09 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Preaching that jesus is the ain of God makes it a prayer to him? 😂😂😂 } – Dec 09, 10:07 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Act 9:21 is jesus being prayed to? All who heard him were amazed and said, “Is not this he who killed those who called on... } – Dec 09, 10:06 PM
  • User AvatarChris. { Nah. Bible- One God Father. You - One God father Son holy spirit. Show me that one. Hmmm. Ducking out not at all. Becasue I... } – Dec 09, 10:05 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Again. You're here to argue. Insecure un your beliefs huh. Jesus is the Son of Jehovah. Not Jehovah the son. 😂😂 } – Dec 09, 10:03 PM
  • User AvatarChris { I said im not going to argue with. I did this for years. It get nowhere. It seems your goal (being very unchristian) is to... } – Dec 09, 10:03 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Your'e done with the same tired old arguments? Well you are done before you even addressed mine. But if you want to use that as... } – Dec 09, 9:58 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Wow. The link you supplied points out that Jesus is referred to as the Son of God. You've opened my eyes. Pshhh. Easily refuted. He... } – Dec 09, 9:51 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { You've heard it before but didn't (because you couldn't) refute the evidence I supplied. You affirm that Divine nature is Deity and add, "This same... } – Dec 09, 9:45 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Marc Read the following site for a grammatical refutation in this. I hope God opens your eyes to the errors. Have a great night. Done... } – Dec 09, 9:44 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Wow. John 20:28. I've never seen that before. You've opened my eyes. Pshhh. Easily refute. Thomas wasn't calling him almighty god becasue just before jesus... } – Dec 09, 9:39 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Then I guess that makes Moses and Abraham and Angels God because they are also called God. Hmmmm } – Dec 09, 9:37 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Again superficial arguement. I've heard it before. Good night. You can believe what you want. But until God removes all errors that these christendom systems... } – Dec 09, 9:35 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { No one else but the true God is to be referred to as "my God". Big difference. See John 20:28. } – Dec 09, 9:30 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { To properly receive latreuō goes far beyond possessing a "divine nature." It is properly rendered unto Hm because He is God. 1 Corinthians 8:6 also... } – Dec 09, 9:27 PM
  • User AvatarChris J { Abraham is called God. Angels are called God. Moses was said to be a God to pharaoh. Are they Jehovah as well? It seems you've... } – Dec 09, 9:19 PM
  • User AvatarChris J { I've heard all these generic arguments. They are not your own. So if you want to believe in the fake doctrine of the trinity go... } – Dec 09, 9:17 PM
  • User AvatarChris J { Marc, Again. Jesus was raised to the DIVINE NATURE. He was not a divine being before his birth. So he is worthy of honor glory... } – Dec 09, 9:15 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { This is another proof that the Lord Jesus is God. He is the proper recipient of sacred service (latreuō) in Revelation 7:10 (cf. v. 15)... } – Dec 09, 8:08 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Certain title can be given to others but worship is never to be rendered unto others. Not only did I cite from the Old Testament... } – Dec 09, 7:46 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Chris, 1. Thomas still referred to Jesus as "my God" which was always to be done to the true God. A strict monotheistic Jew would... } – Dec 09, 7:40 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Marc I posted an in depth reply at the end. You can't bring up Old Testament passages and then couple them WITH NT passages and... } – Dec 09, 7:37 PM
  • User AvatarChris J { Marc, Jesus was raised to the Divine nature. That's why he's called God ONLY after his ressurection. We will also be raised to the Divine... } – Dec 09, 7:26 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Marc Marc, None of what you said proved the trinity. 1. John 20:28 was said to Jesus becasue jesus was raised to the Divine nature.... } – Dec 09, 7:22 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Christians are all one in God. But Christians are not to pray to other Christians because they are not God. Christians can pray to Jesus... } – Dec 09, 7:10 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Yes Marc,but you & your wife are different persons,You become one in purpose,Harmony, when you are married,but still two seperate persons.Thus when Jesus said I... } – Dec 09, 7:04 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hello Richard, I agree that the Son is not the Father. I never asserted otherwise. I am greater in my position as husband to my... } – Dec 09, 6:18 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { Hi Chris, I never use 1 Timothy 3:16 and 1 John 5:7 (as found in the KJV) in support of the Trinity. In terms of... } – Dec 09, 5:55 PM
  • User AvatarRichard.Tazzyman { Hello Mark,We will have to agree to disagree! No where in the bible is the trinity mentioned.It was a doctrine introduced into the false church... } – Dec 09, 5:38 PM
  • User AvatarChris { Good afternoon Marc, I get why people believe in the Trinity. However, it is not Biblical. For example, the KJV had to add and change... } – Dec 09, 4:56 PM
  • User AvatarMarc Taylor { I agree that Paul prays to the Father, but he also teaches that it is proper to pray to the Lord Jesus. If the Lord... } – Dec 09, 3:39 AM
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83 comments to Latest Comments Digest

  • Lee Anthony

    Hello,
    I am wondering why crisis of conscience is such an expensive book? I have both crisis and search for christian freedom downloaded free but am trying to find a hardcopy in order to send to an individual who is incarcerated and therfore cannot get an electronic copy. Anybody know where i can get one that isn’t so expensive?

    • greg (Bible Student)

      Hi Lee Anthony.

      I haven’t seen a paper copy cheap anywhere online. (Well, I did see one for $17 but the ancient link was dead.) For the prices I’ve seen, it’s almost cheaper to buy an e-reader.

      I did see some listings on bookfinder.com for around $23, though they are listed as “Out of Stock; Our special ordering service will try to obtain this.” Whether or not they actually can would remain to be seen.

      Just an idea: Have you asked at your local library, or a local used book store? I’ve had good success using those avenues in the past.

      -greg

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      I think someone is printing them for persons wanting it. I have the very first one from my uncle who is 97. Raymond gave him a copy when he bound them one by one. I have that one and 2 each of both books but different editions. He might be able to get it in his library also. I will check for a cheap copy for you.

    • Anonymous CJ

      Lee. I have a hard copy that’s a reprint if you want it. I bought it when they were in production and it’s in perfect condition. And I have in search if Christian freedom if you want it.

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Lee do you want me to pass your email address on to anon? He is a bible student brother. You can send it to biblestudents1@gmail.com

  • RICHARD TAZZYMAN

    Hello Sist Jackie & Bro Peter.I have made contact with the JW Bro(Barry)who left a message on the site asking about the bible students in Australia.We are sending him some material in the post,& also arranging for him to join our SKYE Studies.Will keep you informed.Looking forward to meeting you at the general convention.Christian Love,Bro Richard,From the land down under.

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Thanks for the update Br. Richard. We are having xjw over here go to the meetings for the first time and expect to have some at the General Convention. Can’t wait to met you and your dear wife. In God’s Love, Jacqueline

      PS: Richard I wanted to add to your previous comment. If the governing body was not aware that the Bible students were alive it would be one thing but they knew they were vibrant and discouraged us from taking literature from anyone so we wouldn’t find out about them.
      The internet however has forced them to take the “Evil Slave” label off of us. If not for the internet we would not have known the society has printed the purple interlinear Greek bible and shipped to the Dawn in the past, proving they knew about them.
      Also Br. David Stein’s father left to associate with Bible students and Br. David was disfellowshipped for attempting to help his father come back many years ago.
      So they lied and to perpetuate it until the internet showed them up is unacceptable.
      I would never believe anything they say after keeping up a lie for 60 years, it makes them unfit close association. (The organization propaganda not the individuals).

  • RICHARD TAZZYMAN

    Hello to all my EX JW family,After spending nearly fifty years as a witness I know what you are feeling as you stumble in darkness.You(we) were all told that there is nothing out there,that only the WTB&T Society have the truth!Rubbish.Since finding 6 years ago that the bible students were still active & still in many Countries off the earth was a blessing to me.If you are really searching for the truth contact me via e/mail & I WOULD LOVE TO HELP YOU find the TRUTH that sets you free.May Jehovah & his risen Son the Christ help you all in your search.I would love to share my Life & experiences with you all.Christian Love,From Bro Richard,Victoria,Australia.

  • Francis

    At one time, a record of him giving a discourse was played. I think he was the best at putting Christendom down and opening truth seekers eyes to false religion.

    I have read all the bad about him and have read all the bad about Brother C.T. Russell. And I am totally convinced both of them are up in heaven right now. Are they surprised at to what they see? I doubt it.

    Look at all the bad things People say about their God Jehovah and His Son Jesus Christ.

    • Anon

      The leaders of the watchtower today are Christendom. Claiming it is God’s channel on earth that we must be associated with for salvation or die the second death. That’s what Christendom teaches and Russell warned against. And that’s your right to do so. But he has convinced many that we must belong to a earthly organization or we will die in Armageddon. This though is in no way in accordance with the scriptures. He changed all of the truths Russell gave. Rutherford was openly an immoral man. He said we were enemies of God if we didn’t accept his truths. He said God lives in the pleadies constellations and that organ transplants are cannibalism. Seriously I highly doubt he was used by God other than to set up an organization that is like the Catholic Church. Claiming it is God’s channel on earth that we must be associated with for salvation or die the second death. Rutherford drug russells followers into Christendom like organization. Russell took us out Rutherford brought us back in. Just like with the death of the apostles and Jesus. After Russell died apostasy set in.

      • Jacqueline (Bible student)

        Anon, hello. There are some who feels they have to stay connected to this organization although they are learning the divine truths. So it is a very strong delusion.
        An example is a woman leaving an abusive husband and has her family in a safe place. But she feels she has to listen daily to his filth and visit with him because he is her husband. Many witness women and children have lOST their lives not protected it.
        The same when some feel they can wallow in the mud and impart some cleanness to it because they are clean. Or even believe hearing the propaganda reinforced every week will not somehow stick to them. It is a delusion. The witnesses target a certain type of person at the door. They will drop one that is not pliable or weak or ask a lot of questions. Rutherford knew the art of persuasion from being a lawyer and he used it to take minds away from Jesus and on his earthly expression of God kingdom in the Jehovah witness organization. Those are their words not mine. Talk and listen carefully to persons that have that thought pattern, it sounds just like the abused wife. She has been conditioned daily and weekly by the controller. Others can see but she can’t.
        Gratefully their staying in this system will not result in their everlasting death. The Ransom has cover ALL in every system. The offer however to run for the upward call that Jesus extended to his followers however is a beautiful free gift denied them within that system. They don’t discern it at all. But that okay for the rank anD file God has it covered.

        I believe there are some people that have something good to say about Hitler and believe he is in heaven.

        • Jacqueline (Bible student)

          Anon I wanted to add I am not attacking the individuals but the system. Jesus didn’t give us the name of the sanhedrin members but was speaking of its governing body system. So that is the vein I present my direct comments in.
          I may have to be disciplined but I will not give that governing body a break. Based on lots of new things I get in letters every day.

      • Francis

        Hi Anon;

        Page 291 in the WT 2075 Vol. 3 page 291 has some interesting beliefs of Brother Russell, showing Brother Rutherford a good student of the Pastor. Check both of those out on Pleadies please and let us know what you find.

  • Liz

    DOES ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE ANYTHING KIND TO SAY ABOUT BROTHER RUTHERFORD!?

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Hi Liz, did you know Br. Rutherford? I did not. I grew up under Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz. Is there something specific that you are referring to? The Watchtower Society told us not to read any of the publications prior to 1950 and this would cover most of Rutherford’s history and they deny future witnesses from knowing much about him. My father and grandfather knew him however and my father defied the organization on the no blood issue instituted by Rutherford. My grandfather was just plain against the organization.He’ was born in the 1800’s and knew both Russell and Rutherford. All I ever heard was he was as the present day governing body says on their DVD, that he was a gruff man and not many got along well with him.
      Perhaps you knew him or of him and can give us more info. His wife,son would not attend the funeral, because allegations of mistresses at Beth Sarim. These are just things I heard and have read on internet. Hope this helps. Take Care

      • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

        Liz here is what Wiki says concerning Rutherfordcontent://media/external/file/8944

      • Liz

        I’ll take your comment as a no.

        • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

          Liz, I really did like you, research. But the present day Jehovah witnesses distNce themselves. But still I should have found something good. We have audio of some that knew him. It seems he just didn’t care how people felt. He had his thoughts on an issue or scripture and it was his way or the highway. Makes me think about how I treat people. Something good I have learned from your question is to make sure I live so something good is said about me when I pass on. Thank you for the reflection.

      • Chris

        I love how they say that Rutherford “took the lead”. No he took over. Illegally. I don’t have anything kind to say about him. He is the reason that they disfellowship and shun family. Totally unbiblical.

      • Liz

        You know, After I have looked at some of these negative comments, I began to realize something. Of course the Slave would not tell the “dirty laundry” of Brother Rutherford. I began to really think about your reply to me. I did a little more research of the Watchtower publications. One being “Jehovah Witnesses” written in 1993. It is conspicuous that nothing was said about his wife and son coming to his funeral. Very Interesting. What it did say was in a foot note…that he had a wife and son.

        Regarding Brother Russell’s death, it mentioned that when he died his ex-wife put Lilly of the Valley flowers on his casket. That was his favorite flower. With a note: “To My Beloved Husband”

        Something else I don’t appreciate about Br. Rutherford is that he, unlike Russell no longer let the brothers and sisters have their own view on what scriptures said. He really was a controlling man. Not Good. That kind of attitude is why I have left the JW’s in the first place.

    • ANON

      Ask one of his women!!

  • Josana

    Hi Chris, first of all, that you so much for the book you sent me. I am reading it very slowly to absorb every single word.

    I have a question for you, where can i find info on the number 666?

    thank you

  • JoAnn Sanchez

    I don’t understand how everyone will be given a chance to live on paradise earth? I thought that the life we are currently living was the journey we take to decide which side we chose. Whether we choose to go with God or the devil.

    How can it be that we have people starving all of their lives, people with more money than they know what to do with and not to mention the sick, the blind. Those that were given talent to sing, write, artists and those that can only push a broom. How in the world is it right that everyone get a chance when they had their chance here: The rich to help the poor and and the strong to help the weak, not exploit them. They had their chance.

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      JoAnn hello and thanks for your comment. I really understand what you are saying. One thing you might be forgetting is our father put us in a bad place and Jehovah God has a way of correcting matters. He decided to do it by Ransom of Adam and forgiving all sins freely, it is a free gift. But in this plan he decided to let man indeed have some say so in the righting of things. That is where even in the conditions you mention some will be chosen to help Jesus during the time his Ransom really starts to work for mankind.
      You, I nor anyone can say why he let it go on so long. (This part is just ME reasoning). Let’s just say all humans will be resurrected and all that lived gets the chance to live forever because they were born. Maybe those born will populate other planets or something and if you weren’t born and learned that disobedience to God is awful, you lost out. I hope you understand that I know it is unequal now but I travel with some of the richest people you can meet, singers, entertainers and I keep them sane. They have money but us the help might have more freedom of movement and really true friends and can enjoy some simple pleasures. Which by the way is good for the soul. Over abundance of Money is not quite you you think it is in terms of happiness and enjoyment. You and I can eat but most entertainers are so deprived of that because of weigh control. LOL.
      But seriously looking at the outcome requires FAITH THAT GOD AND JESUS are doing it the absolute best way for the eternal future of man. Never will we have to live with a society of rebellers making our real life miserable because it has been proven, IT WILL NOT WORK! It is about having FAITH. Is this is not a good and sure thing we are most to be pitied, I agree with you.
      But so far all his stuff has come true. Maybe not on our little timetable but it takes time to work out things.
      Governments and the internet, flight etc has allowed man the opportunity to do it himself as Adam and Eve wanted. In Millennium people will decide for themselves not under the decision of a stupid mother and father. They got us in a mess but God recognizes that they really didn’t have an idea that all this would happen so he ransomed Adam. Eve came out of Adam so she is ransomed also with us. She was deceived badly says the Bible.
      JoAnn I know it just gets so hard sometimes but to be able to look baCK ON ALL OF THIS AND SAY WOW, I am glad God brought me and my family and the whole human race back to have a chance. Not a second chance but a first as no matter how we try now we can’t live pain and poverty free forever.
      Sometimes we just have to hang our heads down and weather the storm. JoAnn we have to TRUST HIM, HE HAS ALWAYS TOLD THE TRUTH! He just is so patient and views time differently than us. But at least he gave us life, He must have cared. But an enemy a destroyer, a jealous hater of the master worker along side his father, caused this. I know you know all of this JoAnn, but hang in there! Trust him, have FAITH.
      WE CAN TALK IF YOU LIKE. Just dial. I am not with witness family but on vacation, chilling and I am free to just talk to you. How is your Mom doing. Love and blessings, Jacqueline

  • Shannon

    Hello my dear brethren and sisters some people have a idea the Jehovah will not restore all to life scripture is clear that just as in Adam all die in Christ all will live is God a man so that he would judge as men do never will that occur the bible says that he is a loving father earthly fathers judge I’m perfectly but are loving God first the bible says that he is love Jesus said that just as a loving father would not give his child a snake that our loving father is much greater than a earthly father I’m am so thankful for the almighty for his love kindness goodness patience he is our true father may we all stay in hiS love never mistreating it always showing love to all even the jws let us love as a people who are going to show love to all

    • JoAnn Sanchez

      God has allowed more than enough punishment to some of us here on earth. Why! live an entire life in pain and never even know what it is to be really happy. While others have everything. Why is that.

      • Peter K. (admin)

        JoAnne,

        Thanks for some good questions.

        The Bible nowhere teaches that the world of mankind in general is on trial for eternal life and judgment.

        God made a promise to Abraham:

        Gen.22:18 – “In your seed ALL the nations of the earth shall be blessed ” NKJV

        Have all the nations on the earth been blessed? No, not yet.

        Consider also:
        Luke 2:10 – “the angel said…I bring you good tidings of great joy… to ALL people.” NKJV

        Have all people received good tidings of great joy? No, not yet.

        1 John 2:2 – “He is an atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. – Weymouth

        How is Jesus the atoning sacrifice not only for believers, but for the whole world? It is because the unbelieving world is not presently on trial for eternal life or destruction. They will have their trial for life on the future Paradise Earth.

        Isa 11:9-10 – “the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, As the waters cover the sea.”

        Isa 26:9 – “when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.”

        Mic 4:1-2 – “Many nations shall say, “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths.”

        So will the wicked get away scot-free? No. They will be punished for their wickedness, but with the purpose of learning righteousness. This is not “eternal destruction.”

        Romans 1:18, 28: “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,”

        In this life, the unbelieving world experience God’s wrath from the standpoint that he turns his back on them for now, allowing them to experience the horrible consequences of their bad choices without His protection or intervention.

        For those not receiving the just consequences of their wickedness in this life, God will supply appropriate punishment in the kingdom so they can learn the lesson.

        Romans 2:5-9 (NASB) But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each person according to his deeds : to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,”

        Yes, the wicked will be punished, however nothing is mentioned about eternal destruction. Their trial for life and the possibility of eternal destruction will be in the kingdom age. Even Paul says that “there will be a resurrection of… the unjust.” Acts 24:15

        I hope this helps.

  • jacqueline

    Joann welcome, we also use the BIble to interpret itself and I like that also. You may ask a question and if The answer is in one of the articles we can post the link. Or we answer directly.
    If you look to the left you Will see a column of subjects and sub subjects underneath.
    I was actually a witness for 62 years and had many precious memories studying the bible with people I met.
    Feel free to ask a question to get the discussion started so everyone will answer on what concerns you. Take care, Jacqueline

    • Josana

      Thank you Jacqueline. Where can I read information about the people heading this Bible study. Where does everyone live. Do you have a building to study in? Do people get together to study?

      I truly hope this is the last time I have to unlearn and relearn the Bible. I just want the truth and I pray you guys have it. From what I read on your site, it sounds exciting. I love the Bible. I love this site because you said I can post a question and get answers. Wonderful.

      Thank you and you all have a wonderful day. Christian love from me.to you

      Oh, I changed my name on this reply. Where else do I have to change it?.

      With Christian love

      • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

        Josana I changed all your names to josana is that okay with you? BTW this is an audio link to a radio program where you can hear the answer to almost any question by clicking archives.
        http://www.christianquestions.com/
        On the surface it may seem we are Jehovah witnesses but as Chris mentioned we are not and our beliefs in what the bible says is quite different. I agree you have to unlearn then relearn. We have a Wednesday night call in study for persons coming to this site. It is just what you say we go slow as we unlearn. It is not for everybody because it might go slow as we want proof this time from the bible and Br. Brad will supply it from the Bible and we can ask questions until we get it. It has ex jw that were elders but you wouldn’t know it as they are learning at the same rate as you and I. LOL We use the studies in the scriptures as a guildline because it is history on the development of the religious systems that we see today. Your background is interesting, Catholicism was once the Universal Church for centuries but plunged the world into darkness as it told us what to believe instead of letting us search from the Bible. But your affiliation is knowledge gained that hardly any of us know about. Now to give you the links for the questions you proposed. I find it best if you read it yourself first then ask questions. One of us will see your question. (School has started and I am a basbysitting grandma living at my witness son’s home, but I check often).

        The Cross it is true was used as the mystical TAU, but there is evidence that the short beam Jesus carried and was attached to the upright tree. Hands straight over the head would have him die in at least 20 minutes but prophecies had to be fulfilled and the out stretch cross position with even a foot piece would keep him alive to be tortured on the stake. That is what the Romans did and satan wanted him to suffer not die quickly. Read more here: http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/category/jehovahs-witnesses-answers/torture-stake-jehovahs-witnesses-answers/ The next post will have the other links and more info.

  • Josana

    I was born in Catholicism, and t thank God that when I was in my 30’s I learned the truth. I then when to other Christian religions and was not satisfied. I moved to another State and met the Witnesses. They are wonderful, indeed, I never read hardly any of the literature, I wanted the Bible to interpret itself and they did a very good job of it, still confused about a few things. I made it clear that I did not ever plan to be a witness. They never pressured me or anything.
    All I wish to do is learn the Bible. I have been ill for a long time and do my best to post on Facebook or Twitter my feelings about God and whatever I can to help others.
    I don’t understand what this group does or how or where. Please explain or let me know where I can read about it or can someone confirm what I have learned?
    Thank you

    • Chris

      Hi Joann,
      It’s great that you like the Bible to interpret the Bible. I agree. “All scripture is inspired of God.” I thought when I was a witness that we were learning so much about the bible. But I’ve come to learn that we have to rightly divide the word of truth. For example, when a JW comes to your door and shows you all of the scriptures about living on a paradise earth, they typical will take you to the Old Testament (Hebrew Scriptures). This was before Jesus opened up the high calling. We classify those promises to the Jewish Age which are for the Jews and restored mankind. Jesus only offered the hope of heaven to those who would follow him. Jesus never promised earth to his followers. There is “one faith ONE HOPE one baptism.” To show this claim biblically they have tried to say (with no biblical support) that Christ’s “Other sheep” are the “Great Crowd” who will live on the earth. In the Gospel Age (Christian times) we are running the race be be of the bride of Christ. Those do don’t make it will still be in heaven serving “before the throne” (Rev 7:15,Psalms 45:14,15) So everything I learned from the witnesses needed to be put in its place properly. I can’t take a scripture from Psalms 37:29 and show this to a Christian. That’ is not what Jesus promised those who follow him. . That was a promise to the Jews. And ultimately mankind.
      Christian Love.

    • Chris

      Joann. I don’t think I’ve answered your question. :). Oops. This group is for many active JWs and former JWs or just questioning JWs. We allow them to come and discuss anything that they wish that is on their minds about JWs. Many of us are Bible Students who have been or may not have been witnesses. We follow the Bible and still hold many beliefs that the early Watchtower Society (1879-1916) did. We are a group of non judgemental Christians and would love to hear from you.
      Christian Love

      • Josana

        Thank you for your prompt attention. I am so glad that you did, because I thought that I could just continue my Bible study with you. Wrong. I have studied for two years with the JW’s and have to unlearn before I relearn. I wish to ask some questions Mostly yes or no questions Next I need suggestions as to what to do.. I love the idea that you have conventions. . I hope this is ok with you.
        . I already read that there is no trinity
        Was Jesus hung on a tree? Why do other religions say cross?
        Is there a hell?
        Will there be Paradise on Earth?
        Are the dead asleep and their soul in God’s memory?
        (Enough for now,sorry) Please send email. Thank you. Christian Love to you too.

        • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

          Josana as Chris mentioned we feel that there is no need to change what the scriptures say on a subject every 10-20 years. That is why we see things clearer but still accept the scriptural understanding from the early days of the watchtower. If it was an error in understanding yes Bible students will adjust but not change every 10 years. If the scripture is not clearly saying what is presented please don’t feel you have to be timid. ASK THE QUESTION, EXPECT AN HONEST ANSWER.
          Br. Peter is the elder and admin of this site and will step in to clarify an issue or outright answer your question. Most of us answering today have been a Jehovah witess but Br. Peter and other Bible studets have never been witnesses. Witnesses broke away from the understanding of scripture as presented by the Bible students and formed a new religioned and by 1931 called it Jehovah Witnesses.
          JF Rutherford died in 1942 and having not seen Israel become a nation (they did in 1948) he felt Replacement theology had to apply and he took up the place of the Jews with his new group and took the name belonging only to the Jews (Isa 43:10-12). Had he lived until 1948 and until the six day war of 1967, maybe he would have changed the name, after realizing bible prophecies take place over a period of time not quickly. God lets things develop even as the 6 hours of suffering on the cross allowed for the situations to present so Jesus could respond and fulfill the last scriptures.
          I will tell Br. Peter the region of the country you are in and he wil see if there are Bible students in your area. But in the meantime we are willing to nswer your questions.

          Is there hell? Let’s approach that differently as you probably have a good knowledge from studying with the witnesses on Hell being the grave. But we are different in who comes out of hell. So learning about Jesus Ransom will help you understand how hell is the resting temporary place for all of mankind born of Adam. Jehovah witnesses do not believe this, they have certain people in the grave of Adamic death as condemned already. To us the scriptures clearly teach that JESUS RANSOMED ADAM, THEREFORE EVERYTHING COMING OUT OF ADAM WAS RANSOMED, INCLUDING EVE AS SHE CAME OUT OF ADAM. Noah’s day, the people died in Adamic sin and Christ ransom covered the ones with Adam as their father not the ones with the angels as their fathers however.
          http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/category/ransom-answers/ Maybe these two questions are enough for now until you can read them and write down your questions. Others however may add or even comment on other questions. You take us where you want to go.
          We are not so much re teaching what the witnesses teach but what says the BIBLE. I would like to mention however this is a free and open website and some with the views of the witnesses will answer and we will answer back to them or carry on two or three conversations at once.
          We do this by each person addressing the people they are speaking to. I and others might just stick with you while others may address the Jehovah witness apologists that might come on to answer you. It will be stimulating to say the least. So for now I will wait for your response and others will probably answer as well. Take Care Jacqueline

          http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/we-believe/

        • Chris

          Hi Josana,
          It was good to hear from you. Yes we believe in a paradise on earth. However, we differ from JWs in who will live on the paradise. We believe that the Ancient Worthies (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and many other) will be princes in all the earth. (Psalm 45:16). And those who never entered the race for the high calling. We also believe all of mankind will be resurrected to live on a paradise earth. We also believe that the great crowd will be in heaven as well. (Rev 19:1). We believe that EVERYONE who has ever lived will be resurrected. Everyone will have a chance. Is this not a loving provision? Please feel free to contact me at anytime. Johnsc11@aol.com. I would love to talk to you about the wonderful plan our creator Jehovah has for us.

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