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		<title>Comment on Questions by Jacqueline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacqueline</dc:creator>
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		<description>Ken I know this should be an article but here is my answer to your question.
I would not say it is so much what type of people are attracted to the religion as it is why they stay. The method of read watchtower when it comes in, study it, then read paragraph from platform, ask question and hear others quote it again is called indoctrination. Cut off all thoughts except those of a few will create certain types of people Jesus said at John 17:15 “I request you not take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. They totally segregate their thought, and physically cut off any association except with JW, even separating them from family. So this creates people that are dependent on the governing body.
There have been more recent Jehovah witness splinter groups than occurred after the death of Br. Russell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah&#039;s_Witnesses_splinter_groups.  
The unique way that JW proselytize attracts a certain segment of the population. (1) In the home you can segregate a person, unlike at a revival service etc. They may like the appeal of no burning hell. But after some years find they have substituted it for something much worst, a no resurrection, no escaping Armageddon, unless they remain in the confines of the religious body. As Frederick Douglas recognized, a form of slavery. It is a mental state where they have relied on others to do their thinking for so long they find it hard to escape. Unless they physically, with their legs, remove themselves from the voice and indoctrination of their slave master they can’t get free from the mental slavery.
Frederick Douglas didn’t buy into the notion that the slaves couldn’t make decisions for themselves without the slave master. He escaped physically. That is what it takes to totally get free. However in our area in the 70’s  onward the society went after women loaded down with children out of wedlock etc. With that came the men that were told how many single women there were and how submissive and foot on the neck they were.  If some brothers are really truthful they will admit this was always held out as a lure. (If they won’t admit it, I might ask a few to come on and admit they were told this.) So you have 2Tim 3:5,6 having a fulfillment in the congregation. They even apologized for the bringing in of the prisoners that destroyed the lives of some of our sisters. Also it attracts predators of children in a religion that dumbs down the family unity and punishment for standing up for yourself.
You also have a  class of people that came in because they really liked the paradise earth as many felt they would not ever be good enough to go to heaven. They liked the organization and structure. Much like a good job. CO, DO and some elders like the great authority and power that they had. Thus you see this power thing. You have the deaf that is a major class sort after now. They will get the individual attention of an in home Bible study and subsequent sense of community. The deaf community has spoken out against this targeting in recent years. Plus no hellfire.
Jim Jones had people from all walks of life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones Rutherford was much like him in a way he offered unity and leadership. The Catholic Church offered Rutherford a tried and proven system of Bishops and Cardinals( CO , DO) to keep people in line. So what I am saying is ordinary people of various characters are attracted to the message presented, which in some ways is a good message. Although a little distorted from the truth of the Bible. It is more what type of people stay. People that have lost the ability to think for themselves. In fact the society says unless they change a thought on scripture, even if you can prove it wrong from the Bible, you must teach it until they see fit to change it. They claim there must be unity to survive as an organization. JW is not so much a religion as it is a corporation that has benefits. Catholics allow the Bishops and Pope to interpret scripture. It frees them they think from accountability to God if they are worshipping wrong. God allows this as it is in the Millennium that it will be a time for accountability.
Now you have a “conscious class” that like Martin Luther King Jr. recognizes this system for what it is “Slavery”. The commenter (Frederick Douglas) was alluding I think to that point. Pretty soon they will have only none thinking people. BTW their count of 7million includes DF’d and the splinter groups in their count including me. I know you didn’t expect this as your answer. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken I know this should be an article but here is my answer to your question.<br />
I would not say it is so much what type of people are attracted to the religion as it is why they stay. The method of read watchtower when it comes in, study it, then read paragraph from platform, ask question and hear others quote it again is called indoctrination. Cut off all thoughts except those of a few will create certain types of people Jesus said at John 17:15 “I request you not take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. They totally segregate their thought, and physically cut off any association except with JW, even separating them from family. So this creates people that are dependent on the governing body.<br />
There have been more recent Jehovah witness splinter groups than occurred after the death of Br. Russell. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah&#039;s_Witnesses_splinter_groups" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah&#039;s_Witnesses_splinter_groups</a>.<br />
The unique way that JW proselytize attracts a certain segment of the population. (1) In the home you can segregate a person, unlike at a revival service etc. They may like the appeal of no burning hell. But after some years find they have substituted it for something much worst, a no resurrection, no escaping Armageddon, unless they remain in the confines of the religious body. As Frederick Douglas recognized, a form of slavery. It is a mental state where they have relied on others to do their thinking for so long they find it hard to escape. Unless they physically, with their legs, remove themselves from the voice and indoctrination of their slave master they can’t get free from the mental slavery.<br />
Frederick Douglas didn’t buy into the notion that the slaves couldn’t make decisions for themselves without the slave master. He escaped physically. That is what it takes to totally get free. However in our area in the 70’s  onward the society went after women loaded down with children out of wedlock etc. With that came the men that were told how many single women there were and how submissive and foot on the neck they were.  If some brothers are really truthful they will admit this was always held out as a lure. (If they won’t admit it, I might ask a few to come on and admit they were told this.) So you have 2Tim 3:5,6 having a fulfillment in the congregation. They even apologized for the bringing in of the prisoners that destroyed the lives of some of our sisters. Also it attracts predators of children in a religion that dumbs down the family unity and punishment for standing up for yourself.<br />
You also have a  class of people that came in because they really liked the paradise earth as many felt they would not ever be good enough to go to heaven. They liked the organization and structure. Much like a good job. CO, DO and some elders like the great authority and power that they had. Thus you see this power thing. You have the deaf that is a major class sort after now. They will get the individual attention of an in home Bible study and subsequent sense of community. The deaf community has spoken out against this targeting in recent years. Plus no hellfire.<br />
Jim Jones had people from all walks of life. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones</a> Rutherford was much like him in a way he offered unity and leadership. The Catholic Church offered Rutherford a tried and proven system of Bishops and Cardinals( CO , DO) to keep people in line. So what I am saying is ordinary people of various characters are attracted to the message presented, which in some ways is a good message. Although a little distorted from the truth of the Bible. It is more what type of people stay. People that have lost the ability to think for themselves. In fact the society says unless they change a thought on scripture, even if you can prove it wrong from the Bible, you must teach it until they see fit to change it. They claim there must be unity to survive as an organization. JW is not so much a religion as it is a corporation that has benefits. Catholics allow the Bishops and Pope to interpret scripture. It frees them they think from accountability to God if they are worshipping wrong. God allows this as it is in the Millennium that it will be a time for accountability.<br />
Now you have a “conscious class” that like Martin Luther King Jr. recognizes this system for what it is “Slavery”. The commenter (Frederick Douglas) was alluding I think to that point. Pretty soon they will have only none thinking people. BTW their count of 7million includes DF’d and the splinter groups in their count including me. I know you didn’t expect this as your answer. LOL</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Sharon/Tulsigirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon/Tulsigirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear brother Ken, yes, I can guess what legal substance you were addicted to.  LOL  Really a big thing for keeping the congregation clean since it is so serious a sin to your spirituality!  &lt;b&gt;(Yeah, right!)&lt;/b&gt;  I think your spirituality would be better strengthened surrounded by the &lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt; of your loving spiritual brothers and sisters.  I find it really eye-opening to think just &lt;b&gt;how forgiving&lt;/b&gt; the brothers are.  &lt;B&gt;NOT!&lt;/B&gt; I guess it shows just how human they are because Jehovah is so much &lt;b&gt;MORE&lt;/b&gt; forgiving.  They have no conception of the mercy of our Father.  &lt;b&gt;&quot;The time period since the last time I used hasn&#039;t been long enough.&quot;&lt;/B&gt;  How ridiculous is that?  If you&#039;re not using and you&#039;re trying hard to refrain &lt;b&gt;AND&lt;/b&gt; you&#039;re &lt;b&gt;repentant&lt;/b&gt;, that is long enough.   Grrrrrrrrrr!!! The Watchtower Society - GOD&#039;s representative on earth!!!  &lt;b&gt;NOT!!!&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear brother Ken, yes, I can guess what legal substance you were addicted to.  LOL  Really a big thing for keeping the congregation clean since it is so serious a sin to your spirituality!  <b>(Yeah, right!)</b>  I think your spirituality would be better strengthened surrounded by the <b>love</b> of your loving spiritual brothers and sisters.  I find it really eye-opening to think just <b>how forgiving</b> the brothers are.  <b>NOT!</b> I guess it shows just how human they are because Jehovah is so much <b>MORE</b> forgiving.  They have no conception of the mercy of our Father.  <b>&#8220;The time period since the last time I used hasn&#8217;t been long enough.&#8221;</b>  How ridiculous is that?  If you&#8217;re not using and you&#8217;re trying hard to refrain <b>AND</b> you&#8217;re <b>repentant</b>, that is long enough.   Grrrrrrrrrr!!! The Watchtower Society &#8211; GOD&#8217;s representative on earth!!!  <b>NOT!!!</b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Does God Permit Evil and Human Suffering by Jacqueline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fredrick Douglas please tell us more. I understand what you are saying. Will look back here later today.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is He/She a Jw:)Talk to you later!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why Does God Permit Evil and Human Suffering by Frederick Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederick Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs.  
An escaped slave</description>
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An escaped slave</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Jacqueline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got a patient for next 2hrs. Will get back later with answer. I need to think first also.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Jacqueline! You what though, I followed along with that for a while until I realized how odd and dictatorial that rule is,besides, it&#039;s not even scriptural.So tell me, since studied psychology, what are your conclusions about the Jw religion and the kind of people who join?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Jacqueline! You what though, I followed along with that for a while until I realized how odd and dictatorial that rule is,besides, it&#8217;s not even scriptural.So tell me, since studied psychology, what are your conclusions about the Jw religion and the kind of people who join?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by jacqueline</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They said no couples can hold hands or put arms around mate&quot;s neck while in meetings about 2 years or so ago. In this day and age I wonder how grown people over 21 lets anyone tell them what they can and can&#039;t do with their marriage mate. If we step back and just look inside as an outsider, this is a little psychotic. These men have lost their senses. And I really mean this, something is wrong mentally and I must say witnesses are not behaving normally when they accept this type of behaviour. Reminds me of Jim Jones. He dictated private matters between his married people. We have to admit there is a problem with the members (publishers) also not just the GB. What type of people are attracted to JW? That is why I went to get my psych degree to see why my mother and other family members raised me in this. 
With you behind her, I can&#039;t believe a wife would let other men tell her what to do. Didn&#039;t mean to say so much, but witnesses have got to realize this is not normal healthy behaviour.
PS: I don&#039;t mean couples making out now. But some couples hold hands while prayer is going on. Also in their defense, I have seen some odd behaviour that would want you to suggest that they go home. But this is far and in between. Don&#039;t know why people would do that in Church anyway. But they had reference to holding hands and putting arms around mate so that the many, many, many single sisters would not feel bad. Many have believed and is waiting to marry in new world, strange, but.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They said no couples can hold hands or put arms around mate&#8221;s neck while in meetings about 2 years or so ago. In this day and age I wonder how grown people over 21 lets anyone tell them what they can and can&#8217;t do with their marriage mate. If we step back and just look inside as an outsider, this is a little psychotic. These men have lost their senses. And I really mean this, something is wrong mentally and I must say witnesses are not behaving normally when they accept this type of behaviour. Reminds me of Jim Jones. He dictated private matters between his married people. We have to admit there is a problem with the members (publishers) also not just the GB. What type of people are attracted to JW? That is why I went to get my psych degree to see why my mother and other family members raised me in this.<br />
With you behind her, I can&#8217;t believe a wife would let other men tell her what to do. Didn&#8217;t mean to say so much, but witnesses have got to realize this is not normal healthy behaviour.<br />
PS: I don&#8217;t mean couples making out now. But some couples hold hands while prayer is going on. Also in their defense, I have seen some odd behaviour that would want you to suggest that they go home. But this is far and in between. Don&#8217;t know why people would do that in Church anyway. But they had reference to holding hands and putting arms around mate so that the many, many, many single sisters would not feel bad. Many have believed and is waiting to marry in new world, strange, but.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell me what you guys think about this......after I was df&#039;d almost 2 years ago now, the elders told my wife she could no longer show affection for me in the meetings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me what you guys think about this&#8230;&#8230;after I was df&#8217;d almost 2 years ago now, the elders told my wife she could no longer show affection for me in the meetings!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Peter K. (admin)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter K. (admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken – Can we divide the virgins into two classes – 1) wise and 2) foolish?

Of those who build their foundation in Christ (1 Cor 3:11), the ones who build well on their foundation are rewarded (vs 14), but those who build poorly are disciplined, yet still saved (vs 15).  Can this be your two classes, the wise and foolish virgins?  Both groups are Holy Spirit Anointed.  The Wise are faithful and are rewarded.  The Foolish do not build a strong Christian character upon their foundation in Christ, yet they are disciplined and saved. 

This idea of two groups is illustrated in other scriptures.

1 Cor 9:24 says, “Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize?” So of all the anointed, not eveyone obtains the prize of being part of the heavenly bride of Christ. 

Phil 3 says “11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. 13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, 14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. 16 Only let us hold true to what we have attained.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken – Can we divide the virgins into two classes – 1) wise and 2) foolish?</p>
<p>Of those who build their foundation in Christ (1 Cor 3:11), the ones who build well on their foundation are rewarded (vs 14), but those who build poorly are disciplined, yet still saved (vs 15).  Can this be your two classes, the wise and foolish virgins?  Both groups are Holy Spirit Anointed.  The Wise are faithful and are rewarded.  The Foolish do not build a strong Christian character upon their foundation in Christ, yet they are disciplined and saved. </p>
<p>This idea of two groups is illustrated in other scriptures.</p>
<p>1 Cor 9:24 says, “Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize?” So of all the anointed, not eveyone obtains the prize of being part of the heavenly bride of Christ. </p>
<p>Phil 3 says “11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. 13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, 14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. 16 Only let us hold true to what we have attained.”</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Peter K. (admin)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter K. (admin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob – Thanks for these very thoughtful comments.  In Matt 22.1-14, we have the parable of the Wedding Feast.  Do you agree that the guests with the wedding garment on picture Holy Spirit Anointed Christians (the earthly prospective bride of Christ)?  If so, then doesn’t this show that in a parable we should not feel compeled to make the literal “bride” represent the spiritual bride of Christ?

Here is how I go about attempting to let scripture interpret scripture, so as to determine what is meant by “Virgins” and “Oil.”  

VIRGINS

2 Cor 11:2 says, “I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.” 

Rev 14:4 says, “It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb.”
Can we therefore agree that in the Bible virgins represent the followers of Christ on earth of which some ultimately become his body members in heaven?

OIL

We all know that oil was used for anointing kings and priests in the Old Testament.  Hence the words “anointing” and “oil” go together.

Acts 10:38 –“God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit… “

2 Corinthians 1 (NASV)  “21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, 22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.”

1 John 2:20 – “But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know.”

1 John 2:27 – “As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.”  

Can we agree that “anointing” in the New Testament refers to Christians followers of Christ who are baptized into Christ’s body and anointed with the Holy Spirit?  Therefore can we agree that the Bible is telling us that “oil” represents the Holy Spirit?

In order to stay objective, shouldn’t we try to be consistent in how we apply scripture symbols?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob – Thanks for these very thoughtful comments.  In Matt 22.1-14, we have the parable of the Wedding Feast.  Do you agree that the guests with the wedding garment on picture Holy Spirit Anointed Christians (the earthly prospective bride of Christ)?  If so, then doesn’t this show that in a parable we should not feel compeled to make the literal “bride” represent the spiritual bride of Christ?</p>
<p>Here is how I go about attempting to let scripture interpret scripture, so as to determine what is meant by “Virgins” and “Oil.”  </p>
<p>VIRGINS</p>
<p>2 Cor 11:2 says, “I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.” </p>
<p>Rev 14:4 says, “It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb.”<br />
Can we therefore agree that in the Bible virgins represent the followers of Christ on earth of which some ultimately become his body members in heaven?</p>
<p>OIL</p>
<p>We all know that oil was used for anointing kings and priests in the Old Testament.  Hence the words “anointing” and “oil” go together.</p>
<p>Acts 10:38 –“God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit… “</p>
<p>2 Corinthians 1 (NASV)  “21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, 22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.”</p>
<p>1 John 2:20 – “But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know.”</p>
<p>1 John 2:27 – “As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit&#8211;just as it has taught you, remain in him.”  </p>
<p>Can we agree that “anointing” in the New Testament refers to Christians followers of Christ who are baptized into Christ’s body and anointed with the Holy Spirit?  Therefore can we agree that the Bible is telling us that “oil” represents the Holy Spirit?</p>
<p>In order to stay objective, shouldn’t we try to be consistent in how we apply scripture symbols?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anything, I think the Virgins would represent &#039;great company&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything, I think the Virgins would represent &#8216;great company&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,  I appreciate your input into this discussion, I am trying to get an understanding of what Jesus meant. I have to admit, all this symbolism of the oil, the wise vs.the foolish virgins, etc.. is confusing to me, I can’t see the relevance.  I am viewing  this parable from the perspective of the people who heard Jesus say it.  Even though the bride is never mentioned the people knew that she was there, it was taken for granted and did not need to be mentioned.  Therefore, as I see it, there are two classes; the bride and the virgins.  The custom of the times would dictate that each class had an individual role to play in the wedding feast.  As you pointed  out in vol. 3, the virgins followed the bride, catered to her needs and carried  torches to light the way. Therefore, to me, it would seem that if the bride represents the elect class that will rule with Jesus and she is already with the groom (Jesus), then the virgins must represent another class of people that are invited to the wedding but are not of the elect class. Such a group is mentioned in Rev 19:9.  You are correct that the bible is full of symbols, but I find it difficult to think that two different symbols represent the same thing in the same parable. Jesus is spoken of as a lamb in one instance, when he is led to be crucified, and as a lion when takes his rightful place as king in the millennium.  Those are two different instances. Here, if I understand you correctly, you’re saying that the bride, though not stated but insinuated, is the same as her wise virgin companions, that both are of the elect class. That Jesus would use an illustration so completely against the customs and traditions of the times, is difficult for me to comprehend. I don’t think the people listening to him would have been able to relate to such a story.  So far, what I get from this parable, is not that the virgins were the of the bride class or that they even represented anyone in particular.  I see this illustration in the same light as Luke 12:35-40, watch and be ready.  I agree with Ken, sometimes one can read too much into a story.  As I said, I appreciate your views, thank you for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,  I appreciate your input into this discussion, I am trying to get an understanding of what Jesus meant. I have to admit, all this symbolism of the oil, the wise vs.the foolish virgins, etc.. is confusing to me, I can’t see the relevance.  I am viewing  this parable from the perspective of the people who heard Jesus say it.  Even though the bride is never mentioned the people knew that she was there, it was taken for granted and did not need to be mentioned.  Therefore, as I see it, there are two classes; the bride and the virgins.  The custom of the times would dictate that each class had an individual role to play in the wedding feast.  As you pointed  out in vol. 3, the virgins followed the bride, catered to her needs and carried  torches to light the way. Therefore, to me, it would seem that if the bride represents the elect class that will rule with Jesus and she is already with the groom (Jesus), then the virgins must represent another class of people that are invited to the wedding but are not of the elect class. Such a group is mentioned in Rev 19:9.  You are correct that the bible is full of symbols, but I find it difficult to think that two different symbols represent the same thing in the same parable. Jesus is spoken of as a lamb in one instance, when he is led to be crucified, and as a lion when takes his rightful place as king in the millennium.  Those are two different instances. Here, if I understand you correctly, you’re saying that the bride, though not stated but insinuated, is the same as her wise virgin companions, that both are of the elect class. That Jesus would use an illustration so completely against the customs and traditions of the times, is difficult for me to comprehend. I don’t think the people listening to him would have been able to relate to such a story.  So far, what I get from this parable, is not that the virgins were the of the bride class or that they even represented anyone in particular.  I see this illustration in the same light as Luke 12:35-40, watch and be ready.  I agree with Ken, sometimes one can read too much into a story.  As I said, I appreciate your views, thank you for your comments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Monique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, may I ask why you wouldn&#039;t want to be? Just curious :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, may I ask why you wouldn&#8217;t want to be? Just curious <img src='http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Questions by Monique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Max, Sorry I haven&#039;t responded sooner. It has been a pleasure and feel free to email me at any time.

Monique</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Max, Sorry I haven&#8217;t responded sooner. It has been a pleasure and feel free to email me at any time.</p>
<p>Monique</p>
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