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Anointed Talk

Welcome all Anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses and those who would like to talk with you!

Anointed Talk is a place for the Anointed of Jehovah’s Witnesses to talk to each other and for others of us to get a chance to talk to you.  And why not?  We have been told that no one else is listening to you.  Is this true?   The The Watchtower, 5/15/00, p. 11 says, “anointed Witnesses of Jehovah have been blessed with insight, enabling them to understand…”  (See complete quote below).  Yet to what avail is this special insight?  Does the Governing Body care what the Anointed have to say?  Do they ask for the opinion and spiritual insight of the anointed?  Sadly, we are getting reports from Anointed JWs, indicating they are being disrespected, ridiculed and made fun of.  They tell us that they are even being discouraged from partaking of the memorial.  Is it true that the elders and others just don’t believe that those who claim they are anointed really are?  That they do not respect insights of those claiming to be anointed?  Are the anointed who express a different point of view labeled an Apostate?  Is what we are hearing true?  Is this the norm or just unusual examples coming our way?

Why doesn’t the Governing Body consult the anointed?  Why aren’t they interested in their opinion?  Why is the Watchtower writing department adding more writers that are not anointed?  Are the Anointed a perceived threat to the power structure that must be diminished?  After all, shouldn’t JWs being looking to the anointed for spiritual guidance as opposed to Elders, Circuit Overseers and District Overseers?  Is the JW power structure trying to minimize and belittle their influence?  Is this really all just about power and who is in control?

We are not trying to incite the Anointed to rise up and rebel and fight the system.  The Lord’s anointed are a humble and meek people.  Yet we understand that if anyone expresses a difference of opinion, whether anointed or not, they are in danger of being labeled an apostate.   So, how then can the anointed be in any position to provide spiritual insights.  If it is only to tell everyone else to follow the organization, then couldn’t any JW member do that?  So then of what value are the anointed in the JW Organization?  It only seems to make sense that elders and leaders in the JW organization would desire, in humility, to look to the anointed for spiritual guidance.

What do you think?  What is really going on.  Let us know what you think.  This is a place to talk.  We want to hear from everyone, but especially from the anointed ones, whether presently JWs or whether you have been driven out of the organization.  Please enlighten us and tell us the truth of what is happening.  Here you can talk to each other and help each other out.

Full quote:  “Daniel 12:4 states: “As for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” Much of what Daniel wrote was made secret and sealed up to human understanding for centuries. But what about today?

6 In this time of the end, many faithful Christians have ‘roved about’ in the pages of God’s Word, the Bible. The result? With Jehovah’s blessing on their efforts, true knowledge has become abundant. For instance, anointed Witnesses of Jehovah have been blessed with insight, enabling them to understand that Jesus Christ became heavenly King in the year 1914. In keeping with the apostle’s words recorded at 2 Peter 1:19-21, such anointed ones and their loyal companions are ‘paying attention to the prophetic word’ and are absolutely certain that this is the time of the end.” – “The Watchtower, 5/15/00, p. 11.

601 comments to Anointed Talk

  • traveler

    Hi Jacqueline, On our part the post was basically directed toward you. We never expected the large majority to read the considerations. We appreciate what’s been said in the past about teaching. We look at what we’ve shared as being our conceptual reality shared with your mind for consideration. We, you and my wife and myself, already have a deep sense of reality in common in that we believe you did not spend all your years with the organization without considering the Bible deeply. This means we’ve covered common ground in our search.

    You being where you are now on this site is proof that you must have seen that while the pursuit of truth was put forward as the identifying trait of the organization in all its publications, the reality within the organization looked quite different, on your becoming spiritually mature . What we don’t know is if while you looked into the truth that the organization holds, as all Christian organizations do, you realized that this organization held significantly unique understandings of the truth revealed by Jesus. Now the problem, you must have also realized next, if you did, is that while the organization holds significantly unique pieces, it does not know the path to put them all together. Because of this they have no working framework to order accurate information into connective reality, generating sense. Back to the teaching thing. I for myself respect your ability to “blog”. For my part I mean to learn connected truth and then move on. I would like to learn how to teach at any level, it is a real art form. I see teaching as simply expressing truth in order, to whatever depth you have, then waiting to hear from anyone who has covered distance to arrive with their insights. This expression of love, their insights, would of course be to help me cover more distance than I had alone. In turn, the mind arriving would realize within the frame of mind we were found to have expressed the same intent. All this to share based on our common pursuit, carried on by a family of members. Those we now see that weigh in common on the same scale. You are right, one liners are my weakness if you hold a certain position or perspective. This tradition we are using for sharing truth was used as the practice of expression exercised by the Jews. A man would stand up in the synagogue (Jesus also) and take UP if he could the expression of truth, takeing it to the next level of depth. In this traditional interaction the group would come to know his mind and it’s depth of connection to God along with the distance covered.
    It seems this practice was eventually corrupted into a practice to rank or class individuals. I see people need to cover distance in steps, but the Bible demonstrates that this must be done by each individual at a pace of his or her choosing. I do not expect people in general to follow the entire expression we post, but if they hear one point out of it we are glad. If they go further and hear two points even better. If, on the other hand, a complete knowledge of Biblical historic fact is the goal one can go on learning and learning but never come to any logical connections, except at the simplest and lowest land marks on the path. There is a “path” and the only “way” to cover distance on that path is what Jesus revealed. So has the person covered distance and thus depth, or just learned facts thinking that salvation lies in knowing lots of facts. On the other hand they may have figured out that the picking up and putting on the incorruptible apparel is to learn and put in order truth so as not to be found naked when examined by God. Under-stand, make your mind up, hold your head up, footstep follower, steps of reason, stand erect as you see your deliverance draw near, all of these point to “frame of mind” and what we’ve posted is our simple attempt to relate that we are footstep followers, by plainly showing that we have taken the steps as our own truth and to draw out other brothers and sisters of common pursuit. We need what you have seen if you’ve seen further in the same direction.

    Out of respect for the need you embrace, I put forward the fact that Jehovah is not an English word. Jehovah is a “representation” (sounds like) of a mispronunciation of a transliterated word, used and originating in the Roman Catholic church in Germany, eventually spreading world wide within that denomination. JhVh Latin has an English Y sound that corresponds to the J in Latin and a W sound corresponding to the V in Latin. The English speaking followers in the German Catholic church mistakenly started using English sounds for the Latin letters. This is a simple, provable historic fact. Yet using a mistake for the name of your “God of truth” doesn’t seem to bother the majority. The English word for the “God of truth” is Yahweh. The Latin is Yahweh. The Greek is Yahweh. The Hebrew is Yahweh. All are transliterations agreed upon by the majority of Bible scholars so that the known sounds of God’s name would be preserved . So why would anyone wanting a relationship based on truth with their “God of truth” continue using the mistaken representation “Jehovah”. One point (step) at a time, that’s the best I can do. We must cover distance, take the truth and the conclusion/landmark drawn from that truth and move on, UP the path. So one point, undisputed by any religion we know of, Catholic or Jehovah’s Witnesses (check the Insight on the Scriptures). We can move on now with common ground established and taken as our truth, right?

    If you need more proof outside of say the encyclopedia or the dictionary, you might look to the scholarly writings of whatever Christian denomination you associate with now. The alternative is we could post several pages of historic and present factual proof relating the information from our past writings but I think we’ve covered it to the necessary depth to make our point for this site, right? Are we Blogging yet?

    Sincerely, with love for our fellow pursuers, the travelers

  • traveler

    Hi Chris, we quote what is true as we’ve found it in connection with the Bible. This is also true when we quote Russell or Franz for example. If the gate were not narrow suggests a prejudice against that direction that make it simpler to go another way. If the truth you find was always with friends or well liked expressions, surely Jesus would never have been put to death. Jesus suffered outside the gates of his community which suggests also that while you may be connected with an organization or denomination, eventually in your pursuit you will outdistance them and have to take a stand for truth on your own. There is a Professor Wright, a scholar within the Catholic religion who is held as a Bible scholar world wide. He has recently started writing about his realization that no one goes to heaven. I could quote him also, except while he has the right idea, he doesn’t clearly understand how to establish it in the scriptures. I wouldn’t want to further confuse those who haven’t arrived logically at this fact.

  • traveler

    Part two.


    As the organization has pointed out many times, an understanding of the hope of the resurrection is the difference between a true pursuit of God and a false one. We believe that many will pursue a relationship with God having an inaccurate foundation, not realizing this fact and still do it honestly. The present truth expressing the idea that we cease to exist at death rather than cease to have existence, is the difference between an accurate understanding and a misunderstanding of the hope. A consideration of the nature of the only begotten son becoming a man is the way to set this conceptual foundation information straight. It is interesting that the organization describes the process accurately when it explains the transfer of the only begotten son’s life force to earth to become a man, then loses track of his basic nature, his identity when he enters the grave. We consider this early in the paper because this explanation of transfer and its direct application to the hope of a resurrection is the only way the Bible can be pursued with any chance of understanding in a logical, connected path to draw closer to Yahweh.

    We have developed a simple picture example of the transfer. The picture of an angel and the image of Jesus are used only because these images have long been used by the world, much like the use of Jehovah as the preferred pronunciation of God’s name by those who do not have a clear under standing that Jehovah is a representation of a mispronunciation of the Latin term Yahweh.

    In the first figure on the left you have the only begotten son. The lower image on the right is the man Jesus, and the process of transfer is represented by the space between the two images. Yahweh is present overhead in all three spaces.

    The following is a discussion of the process of transfer given in “Insight on the Scriptures” Page 56, “Jesus’ Birth on Earth”, broken down into the logical steps as they are expressed.

    1) The only begotten son empties his SELF, his essence, as far as a being can be broken down. This essence, life force/identity, is emptied out of the son’s body into the keeping of Yahweh, meaning God’s son loses his consciousness since the body with its mind is necessary to have conscious thought. At this point in the transfer the son’s life force exists, and is in Yahweh’s keeping, or is preserved alive. It exists but does not have existence, which requires awareness of one’s self.

    2) Yahweh takes his son’s life force/identity and transfers it into the egg/body formed in the womb of Mary. Thus the identity is maintained as it logically must be “Only in this way”, as the organization rightly states. It might also be pointed out here that Yahweh would have to apply a full complement of his holy spirit so that the one born would be perfect, and through this holy spirit able to carry out the law having the appropriate mental capacity and self control necessary to do so.

    (Revelation 4:11) 11 “You are worthy, Yahweh, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.”

    We draw attention to this scripture because of its relevance to the point that when something, or in this case a being, is willed to be by Yahweh, it is; the being exists to Yahweh. For an animate creation this scripture means that when it is created it is an intellectual limitation on a quantity of his energy and is separated in identity when Yahweh wills it, not when it begins to think,

    *** it-2 p. 56 Jesus Christ ***
    Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the same person who had resided in heaven as the Word, and only in this way could he have been an actual son of Mary and hence a genuine descendant of her forefathers Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and King David and legitimate heir of the divine promises made to them.

    We understand that in the case of the son of God and Jesus, while they are the same person in identity, the distinction between the two names was one of condition, the nature of existence, and the form in which it was experienced. One is of a spiritual body and its existence, the other of a physical body and its existence. Jesus had to be exactly as his brothers in all respects in order to answer the part of the question that Satan raised, “Can any of mankind stand?” In this way, although being the same in identity as God’s son, Jesus could represent and have physical connection with mankind. As a man, he represents the best example to review in almost every consideration related to us.

    (Hebrews 2:14-18) . . .Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed [we talk later about who Abraham’s offspring really are]. 17 Consequently he was obliged to become like his “brothers” in all respects, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, in order to offer propitiatory sacrifice for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself has suffered when being put to the test, he is able to come to the aid of those who are being put to the test.

    It is printed present truth by the organization that the only begotten son and Jesus both had a personal spirit on which their identity depended. “Insight on the Scriptures”, Vol. 2, page 56 under the heading, “His Birth on Earth” gives us a clear and logical
    breakdown of the only begotten son, and the man Jesus. Note the use of the term “incarnation”, the embodiment of a deity or spirit in some earthly form. More simply stated, to retain or receive heavenly awareness from a previous heavenly existence while in physical form. This was not the case with Jesus at any time, that he became more than a man while on earth.

    *** it-2 p. 56 Jesus Christ ***
    “His Birth on Earth. Prior to Jesus’ birth on earth, angels had appeared on this planet in human form, apparently materializing suitable bodies for the occasion, then dematerializing them after completing such assignments. (Ge 19:1-3; Jg 6:20-22; 13:15-20) They thus remained spirit creatures, merely employing a physical body temporarily. This, however, was not the case with the coming of God’s Son to earth to become the man Jesus. John 1:14 says that “the Word became flesh and resided among us.” For that reason he could call himself “the Son of man.” (Joh 1:51; 3:14, 15) Some draw attention to the expression “resided [literally, “tented”] among us” and claim this shows Jesus was, not a
    true human, but an incarnation. However, the apostle Peter uses a similar expression about himself, and Peter was obviously not an incarnation.—2Pe 1:13, 14.
    The inspired Record says: “But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by Holy Spirit before they were united.” (Mt 1:18) Prior to this, Yahweh’s angelic messenger had informed the virgin girl Mary that she would ‘conceive in her womb’ as the result of God’s Holy Spirit coming upon her and His power overshadowing her. (Lu 1:30, 31, 34, 35) Since actual conception took place, it appears that Jehovah God caused an ovum, or egg cell (SOURCE OF BODY), in Mary’s womb to become fertile, accomplishing this by the transfer of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth. (Ga 4:4) Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the same person who had resided in heaven as the Word, and only in this way could he have been an actual son of Mary and hence a genuine descendant of her forefathers Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and King David and legitimate heir of the divine promises made to them.

    This is the simple breakdown of the event as the Bible, and “Insight on the Scriptures” explains it. In the tradition expressed at Acts 9:22 “…he proved logically that this is the Christ”, we will also prove this. As already explained, Jesus was not incarnate, meaning that he did not retain his heaven developed mental makeup or thoughts. It says that he emptied himself (Philippians 2:5-8), or gave up his spiritual body with its mind’s ability to hold his mental makeup/thoughts. Yahweh then transferred his spirit/life force
    the part designating being, the beginning intellectual limit on a quantity of energy–Jesus’ spirit — the smallest part remaining of one’s identity or being, into the new body/ovum with its potential mind in Mary’s womb. Again, the main point is that the life force was “tented” within the body, as opposed to the being taking form which clearly involves bringing with that being his mental makeup/thoughts, constituting it incarnate. Yahweh was present during the transfer, but no part of Yahweh’s thoughts constituted identity for either being, God’s son or Jesus. The use of the term “tented” now having a logical understanding to go with it, would make the connection to the rest of mankind and the scripture, Rev 21: 3 easier to understand.

    (Revelation 21:3) . . .“Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. . .

    *** it-2 p. 56 Jesus Christ ***
    Some draw attention to the expression “resided [literally, “tented”] among us” and claim this shows Jesus was, not a True human, but an incarnation. However, the apostle Peter uses a similar expression about himself, and Peter was obviously not an incarnation.—2Pe 1:13, 14.

    (Luke 23:46) . . .And Jesus called with a loud voice and said: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” When he had said this, he expired. . .

    (Acts 7:59-60) . . .And they went on casting stones at Stephen as he made appeal and said: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “Yahweh, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

    (Psalm 31:superscription-5) To the director. A melody of David. 31 In you, O Yahweh, have I taken refuge. O may I never be ashamed. In your righteousness provide escape for me. 2 Incline to me your ear. Deliver me speedily. Become for me a rocky stronghold, A house of strongholds to save me. 3 For you are my crag and my stronghold; And for the sake of your name you will lead me and conduct me. 4 You will bring me out of the net that they have hidden for me, For you are my fortress. 5 Into your hand I entrust my spirit. You have redeemed me, O Yahweh the God of truth.

    The connection between Jesus as a man and Steven, along with the rest of mankind is an easy one to see from here.

    It is reasonable to say that from Yahweh’s thoughts/memory, as we will see later, it would be possible to re-introduce the thoughts exactly to an individual body, spiritual or physical. This would be possible only if it has its identity intact, through a process that keeps its life force preserved in transfer or in the grave. This allows for the ransom being applied to the original being, or judgment of the original person in the resurrection.

    This is a good place to point out that the organization’s statement that “the heavens were opened up to Jesus at baptism” meaning that he regained his pre-earthly awareness is not a possibility.

    As stated in “Insight on the Scriptures” earlier, this would mean that he would then be incarnate and not a corresponding ransom.

    (1 Timothy 2:5-6) . . .For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—

    Within the asking of the question “Can any of mankind, perfect or otherwise, stand?” the possibilities would have to embrace all abilities and advantages given to the first perfect human, Adam. Adam was taught directly by Yahweh’s agents and had access to information from heaven directly. Thus in this case, the scriptures are referring to the fact that once Jesus found himself and proceeded to the point of baptism, he also could have the same advantage. Having gained a stand as a “son of God” he could be taught directly from heaven. If he had chosen not to offer himself in the role of Christ, contact with God on this level would not have been offered.

    *** it-2 p. 56 Jesus Christ ***

    “ we read: (Ge 22:15-18; 26:24; 28:10-14; 49:10; 2Sa 7:8, 11-16; Lu 3:23-34; see GENEALOGY OF JESUS CHRIST.) It is likely, therefore, that the child born resembled its Jewish mother in certain physical characteristics.
    Mary was a descendant of the sinner Adam, hence herself imperfect and sinful. The question therefore is raised as to how Jesus, Mary’s “firstborn” (Lu 2:7), could be perfect and free from sin in his physical organism. While modern geneticists have learned much about laws of heredity and about dominant and recessive characteristics, they have had no experience in learning the results of uniting perfection with imperfection, as was the case with Jesus’ conception. From the results revealed in the Bible, it would appear that the perfect male life-force (causing the conception) canceled out any imperfection existent in Mary’s ovum, thereby producing a genetic pattern (and embryonic development) that was perfect from its start. Whatever the case, the operation of God’s Holy Spirit at the time guaranteed the success of God’s purpose. As the angel Gabriel explained to Mary, “power of the Most High” overshadowed her so that what was born was holy, God’s Son. God’s Holy Spirit formed, as it were, a protective wall so that no imperfection or hurtful force could damage, or blemish, the developing embryo, from conception on.—Lu 1:35.
    Since it was God’s Holy Spirit that made the birth possible, Jesus owed his human life to his heavenly Father, not to any man, such as his adoptive father Joseph. (Mt 2:13-15; Lu 3:23) As Hebrews 10:5 states, Jehovah God ‘prepared a body for him,’ and Jesus, from conception onward, was truly “undefiled, separated from the sinners.”—Heb 7:26; compare Joh 8:46; 1Pe 2:21, 22.
    The Messianic prophecy at Isaiah 52:14, which speaks of “the disfigurement as respects his appearance,” therefore must apply to Jesus the Messiah only in physical form, the message of truth and righteousness that Jesus Christ boldly proclaimed made him repulsive in the eyes of hypocritical opposers, who claimed to see in him an agent of Beelzebub, a man possessed of a demon, a blasphemous fraud. (Mt 12:24; 27:39-43; Joh 8:48; 15:17-25) In a similar way the message proclaimed by Jesus’ disciples later caused them to be “a sweet odor” of life to receptive persons, but an odor of death to those rejecting their message.—2Co

    (Philippians 2:5-8) . . .Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man,. . .”

    “the disfigurement as respects his appearance,” It could be pointed out here the organization’s references to scientific studies that show that with the right environment, a plentiful food source and absence of disease, the human form would increase in size and could be used to understand why Jesus was described as disfigured. We could also add a consideration of the Neph′i•lim who were products of the combination of perfect and imperfect bodies, with the resulting larger person, a giant. This would seem to make it obvious that in Isaiah 52:14 where it speaks of the disfigurement as respects Jesus’ appearance, that it must be connected to the statement in Philippians 2:5-8 of Jesus’ physical condition as “having taken slave’s form”. We can see that the translator here who had a more accurate grasp of the event should have chosen , “accepted” or “received” instead of taken. We know Jesus was not in control of this process.

    Without a perfect environment, our already considered scientific position and logic would tell us that slave’s form means that although he was perfect, he was a size and shape that fit into his surroundings, getting this from his mother who was in slave’s form. If given a full complement of the holy spirit it would heal and take on the right form as those who live to the presence of Jesus will. This means that the form is caused by the sin and the resulting stress and sickness in the first place. Jesus had the full complement of holy spirit but had to fulfill Yahweh’s will. Therefore, as an angel takes on form to come to earth, Jesus was given a form from his mother which was appropriate to the task at hand and understood this as a condition he must remain in to fulfill Yahweh’s will; he was “disfigured”.

    Returning to the discussion of identity, identity based on life force (the only way) will also be considered relating to death.

    In the next section we consider Jesus’ death, and how his identity was maintained so that he could be returned to heaven as “the same individual” that was transferred to earth, and thus the nature of death and resurrection for us, since Jesus was a man.


    The Hope of The Resurrection

    We again bring attention to the stated position of Jehovah’s organization, one with which we whole heartedly agree.
    *** W05 5/1 pp. 9-10 par. 8 the Resurrection—A Teaching That Affects You ***

    “Yes, so fundamental is the teaching of the resurrection that the Christian faith is in vain if the resurrection is not accepted as a reality.
    Indeed, the correct understanding of the resurrection sets true Christians apart from the false.”

    The Consideration of Resurrection
    In Jesus’ case, at death he gives up his body with its ability to hold thoughts in the mind, and entrusts his spirit to Yahweh. Jesus’ body is eventually done away with by Yahweh. A similar process to the only begotten son when his life force was transferred to the womb of Mary,

    (Luke 23:46) 46 And Jesus called with a loud voice and said: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” When he had said this, he expired. . .

    Remember that at death it is his spirit that his identity depends on as it was in the transfer. The term resurrection has nothing to do with the giving of life as a statement, as shown in the following definition given by the organization:

    Resurrection: to stand before or take responsibility for one’s actions in relation to Jehovah.

    Resurrection is not the return to living or conscious existence.

    To take responsibility for one’s actions (to receive a resurrection) means to receive the reward. In Jesus’ case this was his return to consciousness by Yahweh, and the return to existence on earth through the out-resurrection reward. Due to a misunderstanding by the organization they call this the “first resurrection” rather than “out-resurrection” as it is in the original tongue.

    We note in the case of Jesus that he was returned to life on earth by resurrection through the Abrahamic covenant and then ascended to heaven by the personal covenant with Yahweh his Father to receive his two part inheritance. This is perhaps the first time you have heard the consideration that there is no resurrection directly to heaven, but it will occur again. Yahweh took Jesus’ life force from the memorial tomb. Jesus stood unjudged before Yahweh, and in a transfer like process his life force was put into a new body (spiritual) thus giving him existence again on earth. Yahweh then replaced the thoughts that Jesus and the only begotten son had generated within both existences, one spiritual and one physical, by using Yahweh’s own perfect memory (Acts 17:31).

    (Acts 17:31) . . .Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.”

    Jesus was allowed to make himself manifest to, or seen physically by mankind after his resurrection to a spiritual body, which in this time after the flood was allowed only by direct permission of Yahweh.

    (John 20:17) 17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’. . .

    Under the Abrahamic covenant with God, Jesus as a “son of Israel” was the first of the “sons of God” to cross over from death to life by exercising faith in the things heard, and by being such received a resurrection to earth though those Abrahamic promises. Then through a special covenant between Jesus and Yahweh for a kingdom rule, he was “called” as God’s son to ascend to heaven after finishing his time on earth to receive his inheritance.

    (Acts 10:40-41) . . .God raised this One up on the third day and granted him to become manifest, (seen on earth by man)41 not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God, to us, who ate and drank with him after his rising from the dead.

    Yes, there is no resurrection to heaven, not for Jesus nor for the 144,000 of the chosen ones, those to hear a call after Jesus descends from heaven to meet him in the air to become the ruling new Jerusalem, replacing the present god of the air, Satan. You must read and examine each statement carefully, clearly identifying the steps, and the promises and covenants fulfilled, in order to keep track of events as they unfold logically. The 144,000, the ones chosen for the new Jerusalem rule, are discussed in another section of the paper. However, we will say here that all of the “sons of Israel” have a “heavenly” calling since it is from Yahweh in the heavens that all hear the call and have their hope which is different from a call to meet Jesus after he descends from heaven to rule with his co- kings over the earth.

    We believe that the only reason the example of this logical train of thought (the transfer of Christ,” the only way”) exists in the publications of “Insight on the Scriptures” Vol. 2, page 56″, and Watchtower, January 1, 2005 Questions from the Readers, relating Stephen’s request is because the brother or brothers writing just went through the process of transfer and Stephen’s request logically. They did not realize that what they presented was in opposition to what the organization considers the present truth. We can see that Ray Franz and his writing team, responsible for the bulk of the information in the ‘Insight on the Scriptures”, were later disfellowshipped for various false reasons.

    Type of Resurrection

    (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17) . . .Moreover, brothers, we do not want YOU to be ignorant concerning those who are sleeping [in death]; that YOU may not sorrow just as the rest also do who have no hope. 14 For if our faith is that Jesus died and rose again, so, too, those who have fallen asleep [in death] through Jesus God will bring with him. 15 For this is what we tell YOU by Yahweh’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord.

    (1 Corinthians 15:20-24) . . .However, now Christ has been raised up from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep [in death]. 21 For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a man. 22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each one in his own rank: Christ the first fruits , afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.

    There are two types of resurrection made up of differing aspects.

    1. The resurrection of the righteous: Jesus and all those belonging to him (the righteous). The out-resurrection.

    2. The resurrection of the unrighteous: Takes place, leaving the dead in Hades, now no longer a place of remembrance (memorial tomb) by Yahweh.

    We will discuss the two resurrection events in order.

    1. Jesus, the first resurrection, the only one performed by Yahweh. Jesus as firstborn of the “Israel of God” received an out-resurrection to earth, by Abrahamic covenant and promise, and return to a spirit body, his original form. He is no longer tented but in his permanent dwelling, a mansion or spiritual body that is incorruptible. At this time he received the fulfillment of an adoption into the household of God as a permanent son. The term “firstborn” refers to the fact that he was the first to receive Yahweh’s spirit at baptism, the token of adoption and the increased power that went along with it. Thus he became alive to Yahweh, and secured a permanent reward. We will consider this further in the section “Crossing from Death to Life”.

    (Acts 10:40-41) . . .God raised this One up on the third day and granted him to become manifest, 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God, to us, who ate and drank with him after his rising from the dead.

    (John 20:17) 17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’. . .

    Then upon ascending to heaven, Jesus as the firstborn of the sons of Israel and Son of God received his two parts in the Kingdom of God, kingship over heaven and earth, as king and priest, forever. Although it is thought this new spiritual body that Jesus received by the resurrection was by nature immortal, we see from the scriptures below that he put on immortality as a mantle or condition, “this which is mortal will put on immortality” (1 Co 15:53). He was perfect and thus already incorruptible, and was able to maintain that because of having a full complement of holy spirit by which Yahweh showed him “the ways of life”. The main point is that immortality is within the promise of an ongoing relationship with Yahweh by sworn oath or promise, thus allowing him to live forever. Therefore immortality is two-fold: one is the fulfillment of the promise of the resurrection, and two is the ongoing relationship with Yahweh. In our case this is accomplished by receiving the full amount of holy spirit and the control that comes with it at Armageddon in the twinkling.

    “It was not without a sworn oath, 21 (for there are indeed men that have become priests without a sworn oath, but there is one with an oath sworn by the One who said respecting him: “Yahweh has sworn (and he will feel no regret), ‘You are a priest forever,”)

    (1 Timothy 6:13-16) . . .In the sight of God, who preserves all things alive, and of Christ Jesus, who as a witness made the fine public declaration before Pontius Pilate, I give you orders 14 that you observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 This [manifestation] the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times, [he] the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see. To him be honor and might everlasting. Amen.

    As a witness Jesus made this fine declaration of God’s will and nature before Pontius Pilate, and in it points out that Yahweh is the only one “having immortality”. Logically one sees that the capitalized King in the quote “King of kings” is Yahweh. While Jesus was to become a king among kings in that he would be over all others (144,000 co-kings), it follows that since he himself is to be subjected to the “Eternal King” Yahweh, Jesus’ title of king would not be capitalized.

    (1 Timothy 1:17) 17 Now to the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, [the] only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

    (Hebrews 7:18-28) . . .Certainly, then, there occurs a setting aside of the preceding commandment on account of its weakness and ineffectiveness. 19 For the Law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in besides of a better hope did, through which we are drawing near to God. 20 Also, to the extent that it was not without a sworn oath, 21 (for there are indeed men that have become priests without a sworn oath, but there is one with an oath sworn by the One who said respecting him: “Yahweh has sworn (and he will feel no regret), ‘You are a priest forever,’”) 22 to that extent also Jesus has become the one given in pledge of a better covenant. 23 Furthermore, many had to become priests [in succession] because of being prevented by death from continuing as such, 24 but he because of continuing alive forever has his priesthood without any successors. 25 Consequently he is able also to save completely those who are approaching God through him, because he is always alive to plead for them. 26 For such a high priest as this was suitable for us, loyal, guileless, undefiled, separated from the sinners, and become higher than the heavens. 27 He does not need daily, as those high priests do, to offer up sacrifices, first for his own sins and then for those of the people: (for this he did once for all time when he offered himself up;) 28 for the Law appoints men high priests having weakness, but the word of the sworn oath that came after the Law appoints a Son, who is perfected forever.

    (Hebrews 7:28) . . .for the Law appoints men high priests having weakness, but the word of the sworn oath that came after the Law appoints a Son, who is perfected forever.

    The start of the out-resurrection, performed by Yahweh himself, fulfills the promise of inheritance given to Jesus while on earth through spirit of anointing and power, the token for him although the scriptures point out that it was with an anointing more than his brothers. The adoption of Jesus by Yahweh as a son of the true “Israel”, gave Jesus, who was already a physical son of Yahweh and a physical descendant of Abraham, the hope of an out-resurrection through the legal covenant between Yahweh and Abraham. It is important to understand that since Adam’s fall, the right to live to time indefinite was no longer a possibility even for Jesus. This can be seen logically if you consider what would have happened if Jesus did not offer himself to do God’s will. He had to cross over from death (Adam’s household) to life (Yahweh’s household) just as those after him would have to do, by exercising faith in Yahweh and in the Son of God and declaring it publicly, thus receiving the spirit of adoption and becoming alive to Yahweh. As an adult he took a personal stand that made him a “son of Israel” and in presenting himself for baptism he left the household of Joseph and entered the household of Yahweh as an adopted son. Remember the scriptures, Psalm 2:6-8 and Psalm 89:26-27:

    (Psalm 2:6-8) . . .[Saying:] “I, even I, have installed my king Upon Zion, my holy mountain.” 7 Let me refer to the decree of Yahweh; He has said to me: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father. 8 Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance And the ends of the earth as your own possession.

    (Psalm 89:26-27) . . .He himself calls out to me, ‘You are my Father, My God and the Rock of my salvation.’ 27 Also, I myself shall place him as firstborn, The most high of the kings of the earth.

    Jesus was the firstborn or first fruits, the first to cross over from death to life of the “sons of Israel”, and as such was appointed king over the “Israel of God” while on earth. At his resurrection he was then given kingship, by inheritance, over both the heavens and the earth. first over the earth through his connection with Abraham as first born, then king over the heavens through his Father Yahweh.

    The on-going part of the out-resurrection continues at the beginning of the Judgment Day, for the rest of the “sons of Israel”.

    The term used for those in this on going resurrection is a Greek word translated “out-resurrection”. This is the resurrection from the memorial tombs that takes place at Armageddon for those living to Yahweh. This would contrast with the unrighteous who never leave the grave (Hades) during their resurrection.

    *** Rbi8 Philippians 3:11 ***
    “Earlier resurrection.” Lit., “out-resurrection.” Gr., e•xa•na′sta•sin.

    Paul wanted this promise of a resurrection out of the grave by ransom from death to the earth, and then to receive the full complement of the spirit (changed upon resurrection along with those living). By this resurrection they receive their inheritance under Abrahamic covenant, which is a body that can live to time indefinite without seeing corruption, or in other words they are changed; they become incorruptible by receiving the full complement of holy spirit.

    Remember that the holy spirit does different things at different times. Sometimes the receiving of it is a permanent gift, i.e. “spirit of understanding” given through Christ after his resurrection and ascension to heaven. Another use of holy spirit in relation to the “sons of Israel” is that with the self control gained from the spirit they “put on” the incorruptibleness that allows them to live forever, a process they start before physical death with the “token of spirit given to them in the adoption process, by making their minds over. This allows them to put on immortality by being able to fulfill their obligation to Yahweh, in that as “sons of Israel” they are promised a relationship with Yahweh in which they will not see death again.

    The 144,000, also “sons of Israel”, receive a special privilege of shared rule over the earth through a new covenant made by Jesus with the full body of the sons of Israel. These 144,000 are raised up princes in the land at Armageddon upon their resurrection to earth, and receive the fulfillment of the call by meeting Christ in the air to rule over the earth as the new Jerusalem. This number sealed by the information that Jesus revealed, along with their brothers, constitute the sons of Israel. All these were bought from the earth. under the price paid by Yahweh and delivered by Christ. Thus these sons of Israel through this new covenant receive a partial share, one part in inheritance of the firstborn Jesus. Being the firstborn of the “sons of Israel” Jesus received a two part inheritance from our Father of his kingdom interests. As a result of Jesus making a covenant with Israel, the 144,000 share one part rule with Christ over the earth.

    (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17) 13 Moreover, brothers, we do not want YOU to be ignorant concerning those who are sleeping [in death]; that YOU may not sorrow just as the rest also do who have no hope. 14 For if our faith is that Jesus died and rose again, so, too, those who have fallen asleep [in death] through Jesus God will bring with him. 15 For this is what we tell YOU by Yahweh’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord.

    Note that Jesus,
    First — descends from heaven,

    Second — resurrects all the righteous asleep in death back to life (earlier or out resurrection), and

    Third — he changes all of those resurrected now returned to life, and those still living on the earth, in a twinkling. After this the 144,000 made up by those alive that hear the call to meet Jesus in the air and those who have just received an out-resurrection who now also hear the call, fulfill the new covenant promise “to meet the Lord in the air”. This then establishes the new administration replacing the god of “the air”, Satan.

    We will mention here again the problem created by thinking that the 144,000 constitute the entirety of the “sons of Israel” and this will be discussed in detail under the heading Kingdom. However, for now it hinges somewhat on Revelation 20:4,5 for the general population of witnesses.

    (Revelation 20:4-6) 4 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years.

    We note in Rev. 20:4 first that two groups are described: those that sat down on thrones and those to be ruled over and judged, although the translation of the last of verse 4 makes it appear that there is only one group, the kings. The problem again results from viewing the 144,000 as the whole of the “sons of Israel” by the organization of Jehovah’s witness’s and the application of this understanding by those who oversee the translation used by the organization. When you consider The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, at Revelation 20:4, 5, you see that if you already understand that the “sons of Israel” are constituted by all those in union with Christ, all those exercising faith, all of the sons of Israel it reads quite differently at verse 4 and makes the paraphrased verse 5 of the New World Translation Bible not work at all. Yes we are noting that the statement in verse 5 in the New World Translation of the Bible is a paraphrase, not a translation of the original. Taking this into consideration the verses would read like the following:

    (Revelation 20:4-6) 4 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived and they reigned with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 The leftover [those in Hades] of the dead did not live to the end of the thousand years. This is the first (out) resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first (out) resurrection; over these the second death has no authority. But they [” those of the sons of Israel”] will be priests of God, and of [in union with] Christ and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.

    This is another translation of verse 5 where the rest of the dead are ended or cast into the lake of fire.

    *** Rbi8 Revelation ***
    “The rest of the dead . . . were ended,” AVg; אSyp omit.

    The ruling and the ruled are always with Yahweh in his purposes. This is why Paul said at Philippians 3:11 that he wanted the resurrection out of the grave if possible. His thinking possibly related to the realization of his unworthiness as one unfit for life having been responsible for many of the brothers’ deaths.

    (Philippians 3:11) 11 [to see] if I may by any means attain to the earlier resurrection from the dead.

    Note here the reason for using the expression “earlier resurrection” is the miss-understanding held by the organization that the first resurrection relates only to the 144,000, when in fact the Greek word used meant out-resurrection, implying that Paul wanted to be one of the “sons of Israel” to be resurrected out of the memorial tombs and not one of those left in Hades to receive a resurrection to judgment or in other words, destruction.

    *** Rbi8 Philippians 3:11 ***
    “Earlier resurrection.” Lit., “out-resurrection.” Gr., e•xa•na′sta•sin.

    *** it-2 pp. 787-788 Resurrection ***
    First resurrection. Revelation 20:5, 6 refers to the resurrection of those who will reign with Christ as “the first resurrection.” The apostle Paul speaks of this first resurrection also as “the earlier resurrection from the dead [literally, the out-resurrection the out of dead (ones)].” (Php 3:11, NW, Ro, Int) On the expression Paul uses here, Robertson’s Word Pictures in the New Testament (1931, Vol. IV, p. 454) says: “Apparently Paul is thinking here only of the resurrection of believers out from the dead and so double ex [out] (ten exanastasin ten ek nekron). Paul is not denying a general resurrection by this language, but emphasizing that of believers.” Charles Ellicott’s Commentaries (1865, Vol. II, p. 87) remarks on Philippians 3:11: “‘The resurrection from the dead;’ i.e., as the context suggests, the first resurrection (Rev. xx. 5), when, at the Lord’s coming the dead in Him shall rise first.

    Remember here the true nature of death and the memorial tombs and how it relates to the resurrection. This was not understood by those trying to make sense of these passages, and they did not really understand how the term resurrection related to the dead, either righteous or unrighteous.

    If, as the organization of Jehovah’s witnesses believe, all cease to exist or become nothing at death and this misunderstanding is used, trying to piece together these scriptures is very difficult, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

    You can see now why the organization has pointed out their conclusion that understanding the resurrection hope separates those on the true path and those on the false one. First because it does, and second it seems because they haven’t figured out that it shows they do not understand it. Do keep in mind though that we all come onto the path at whatever point the ones orally teaching us have reached, and then it becomes our personal obligation to Yahweh to pursue from there. So maybe in time those of the honest hearted will arrive at an appropriate understanding of resurrection.

    Resurrection to Judgment

    (John 5:25-29) . . .“Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. 28 Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.

    In John 5:25 Jesus arrives and reveals the will of God. Those exercising faith cross from death to life when they exercise this awareness. In 26 we see that the Father has life within him in that he has the understandings leading to life. And now the son is allowed also to have life in himself and he reveals this to mankind. Jesus asks that the spirit of understanding be poured out on the true “sons of Israel” allowing them to understand the things heard. The holy spirit when received gives the mental capacity allowing the one receiving it to grasp the revealed truth or path, the way of thinking. With power over the grave, when Jesus arrives at Armageddon he is able to see clearly which ones of humanity have received the token of adoption and have crossed from death to life by promise and exercise of faith in Yahweh and his Christ. Thus at this point he is able to call out of the memorial tombs all those who are not under the judgment of condemnation, or in other words still under the law, dead to Yahweh. This now leaves in the grave only those who are no longer remembered by Yahweh (memorial tombs). The grave is now Hades or the grave of the dead. Those left in Hades receive a resurrection of judgment (stand before God) and now await the coming destruction. Remember that resurrection does not mean return to existence but is a reward based on personal responsibility, i.e., the wages that sin pays are death.

    Once again so this is clear in your minds: This means that they stand before Yahweh (resurrected), exist without consciousness, and take responsibility for actions in the old system without the benefit of forgiveness through the ransom. It is enough to note that they did not listen to or exercise faith in the son, and thus have not called on Yahweh for release from the grave or to take part in the out-resurrection. The reward for their actions or works is that they are left in the grave, now just Hades and no longer memorial tombs, and arrive at the final judgment in a condemned state. This is contrasted with the out-resurrection of those who believe in Christ. These are released from the grave, to receive` continued existence, the word continued may be used because they have been preserved alive in the grave, identity preserved. Yahweh is also released from the responsibility of remembrance of the unrighteous, those now in Hades; their fate is tied to Satan’s fate and they are reserved to have their life force cast into the lake of fire along with him at the conclusion of the question. They did not exercise faith in Christ, and did not come to know Yahweh so as to call on his name, the result being that they receive no forgiveness as an undeserved kindness, but the reward for their actions. Thus they remain sinners and under the curse until the end.

    (1 Peter 4:18) 18 “And if the righteous [man] is being saved with difficulty, where will the ungodly [man] and the sinner make a showing?. . .

    It is also worth mentioning that as it stands today, the teaching by the organization that all of the unrighteous are resurrected or given life in the new system, would mean that the door to door work is life taking, not life saving. How is that? If one of those who turn away in this system was to be approached in the new system with a seen God, he would be more likely to follow or pursue than in this system of an unseen God. This so called prophetic door to door work can at best be expected to save only a remnant of the ones that associate with Yahweh’s people in this system, and so if left to face their chances by a resurrection into the new system and there to hear the word of a seen God, their chance of acceptance might be far greater. Of course this accepts for the moment the speculation that it is plausible that they can come into the new system by any means.
    If the time of the end is to be a time of an unseen God and no flesh could be saved if the time was not cut short, it follows that this statement refers to the fact that mankind as a whole would have lost sight of the possibility that God could or does exist.

    (Matthew 24:22) . . .In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

    This would mean that flesh could no longer be saved, the point being that this makes it a hard sell in the door to door work now having no real proof of God’s existence. But it is easily seen that the unrighteous coming into the new system by any means is logically not a possibility.

    We all believe that the witness work of sharing the truth we have is a life saving work. As one of the groups claiming to be a provision of God all those revealing or proclaiming Jesus serve God to some extent. Paul stated he was happy to see Jesus proclaimed for any reason.

    All of the “sons of Israel” who are in the memorial tombs at the out- resurrection are given return to existence. Each one of the “sons of Israel” has an inheritance through Abraham here on the earth. When they are resurrected or cross into the new system at Armageddon, they receive the completing of the process they began to put on the incorruptible clothing so as not to be found naked in the eyes of God. This is achieved by receiving the full complement of the spirit promised, of which they already have a token, and the self control and mental capacity derived from this full complement allows for the living up to or in fulfillment of God’s will. Now with body and spirit in harmony, in a twinkling they receive health, fresher than youth, and the ability to fulfill the obligation of relationship with God. The statement at 1Corinthians 15:52-57 “For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.” has been fulfilled. The statement at 1 Corinthians 15 is completely fulfilled by the writing of all of the sons on earth into the book of life: the sons of Israel from this system along with those born in the new system as they are also written in.

    (Philippians 4:2-7) . . .Eu•o′di•a I exhort and Syn′ty•che I exhort to be of the same mind in [the] Lord. 3 Yes, I request you too, genuine yokefellow, keep assisting these [women] who have striven side by side with me in the good news along with Clement as well as the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life. 4 Always rejoice in [the] Lord. Once more I will say, Rejoice! 5 Let YOUR reasonableness become known to all men. The Lord is near. 6 Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving let YOUR petitions be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God that excels all thought will guard YOUR hearts and YOUR mental powers by means of Christ Jesus.

    (Revelation 3:4-6) . . .‘Nevertheless, you do have a few names in Sar′dis that did not defile their outer garments, and they shall walk with me in white ones, because they are worthy. 5 He that conquers will thus be arrayed in white outer garments; and I will by no means blot out his name from the book of life, but I will make acknowledgment of his name before my Father and before his angels. 6 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’

    (1 Corinthians 15:52-57) . . .For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when [this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and] this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: “Death is swallowed up forever.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting producing death is sin, but the power for sin is the Law. 57 But thanks to God, for he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

    (Revelation 21:3-4) . . .With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

    Having reached this point in the consideration it would be appropriate to bring up a notable exception that happens at this first part of the judgment. Those declared righteous by faith and living at Armageddon, thus covered by the ransom, are allowed to cross into the new system alive and not see death. Remember that they are covered by the hope of The resurrection and its reward. In this statement we see that the hope of the resurrection would not refer to ours, but to Jesus’ by which all others become possible, and this resurrection, his, allows for the reward of life in the new system for those alive at Armageddon through ransom and resurrection. Remembering that resurrection means to stand before God and receive your reward which having exercised faith in the Father as our savior and his son who delivered the ransom price we are not judged, thus receiving life. They stand before God and receive their reward without seeing death.

    This brings up the point that Revelation 20:11-15, “… the sea gave up those dead in it”, must be referring to the general population alive at the end of this Judgment Day(the last judgment day), specifically all those of the completed sea of humanity: those misled by Satan at the end of the thousand years after his release, and those already given up to Jesus’ keeping (left hand) for the coming destruction. Obviously it could not have any connection to the ocean.

    The sons of Israel have become like the stars having a thousand years of peace and lack of death. But Satan is released to misled the entire inhabited earth. Those of this sea of humanity that are misled will fall under judgment and cast into the lake of fire. The righteous who received an out-resurrection and a reward of life due to undeserved kindness, receive existence; they will be regenerated by their life force being placed into a new body and the thoughts they generated in Yahweh’s memory put into the new body’s mind. They have exercised their faith in Jesus, with the end result being a resurrection that is favorable (resurrection out of the grave). It is only by their life force/identity being preserved alive in the grave that the Bible says that Jesus would not lose anything he had gained, and the question could be entertained logically because of its multi-generational answer. The return to consciousness at Armageddon allows the righteous ones, the “sons of Israel” and offspring of Abraham who have already crossed over from death to life as Jesus did on earth, to receive the fulfillment of their hope of life on earth during the thousand years when all death is finally done away with. It also allows for the 144000 to respond to the call to meet Jesus in the air, to rule as co-kings over the earth.

    (John 6:39-40) 39 This is the will of him that sent me, that I should lose nothing out of all that he has given me but that I should resurrect it at the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone that beholds the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him at the last day. . .

    • Chris J

      If you aren’t a JW why do you quote in length their books.

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Traveler we just discussed in great detail your points one and two at our Wednesday night study. It is better to state a few points then wait for a person to respond to those points then proceed to a few more points.
      Right now it is like a book. Or another way is to put your long points so that we can link out to them instead of having it written out here. Some will take time to read all of it but most will just do the first few points when written out on the site. If you link out, they can read it then come back to comment. Just trying to let you know how to effectively blog. Take Care and say hello to your wife.

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