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Moving Forward after Spiritual Abuse

Related imageHarriet Tubman of the Underground Railroad was asked “how many slaves did she help to get free?” Thousands she said, but I could have helped thousands more if only they knew they were slaves.

Like the Pharisees of Jesus day, the watchtower organization has an additional set of laws and rules in addition to the Bible, a book, “Shepherding the Flock”. It has more laws than the Law Covenant and restricts Christian liberty and freedom. It binds you in slavery to an organization and men. 

Mark 7:8-10 (ESV) says “8  You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.” 9 And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God) — 12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother, 13 thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

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Many leaving Toxic religions don’t realize they were being ‘Spiritually Abused’. With the witnesses you normally lose your family and friends suddenly, the trauma can be abusive, even overwhelming. Follow these steps to recover:

Step 1: Allow yourself time to grieve. Death of family and friends has occurred. You may feel numbness, depression, anxiety, anger even question whether there is a GOD. Those are normal responses and are generally short lived.  You must embrace this important process of grieving.

Step 2: Get away from the abusive situation gradually as a fade or quickly, cold turkey. Whatever works for you. It is okay to stop attending the religious services so you don’t hear the abusive voices. Often you won’t heal unless you stop going or stop reading their books, literature and lectures.

Step 3: Remember to love yourself (Mark 12:31; Ephesians 5:29).   It simply means you care enough about your life that God gave you to try and save your spirituality.  Give yourself some space and stretching room. Create a corner where you can just breathe and pray directly to GOD thru Jesus Christ only, no mention of elders or governing body as many do when praying at the kingdom hall.   http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2010/11/26/learning-how-to-pray-from-the-bible/         Get a massage, take walks, look around at the creations of God. Smile, wave at people you pass. Take off the headphones and just open your eyes and ears to take in the sights, sounds and smells of the beauty of Jehovah’s creation and thank him, talk to him. Crying is okay, arms above your head and breathe in deeply. Now exhale.

Step 4: Don’t think you have to throw the baby out with the water. We never want to get stuck in the victim mode but want to progress and become VICTORS!  Explore other religious voices on subjects and yes you can read the Bible by itself and ask God for his Holy Spirit to understand it.  Ask in Jesus name, Christ promised you will get help. Read the book of John listen as Jesus says farewell until he comes again. He didn’t come to judge the world but to save it, so don’t be afraid of Armageddon.     http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2017/09/09/feb-4-conference-call-who-will-survive-armageddon-only-those-in-the-jehovahs-witness-organization-ark/

Step 5: Be patient with yourself. Don’t be afraid to seek professional help to sort out the pieces and put them in their proper places. It could be a counselor or another spiritual person or group that listens. Get involved in things you like to do, that makes you happy, volunteer and enjoy the happiness of giving, it is good for the soul. Smile, laugh, and get tons of good quality sleep without having to get up and knock on doors and disturb others. Give yourself time to recover and make your own decisions. Your sins are forgiven by the shed blood of Christ. Drop them at his feet! http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2013/03/11/how-do-we-manage-guilt/

“Toxic faith has bad results, while real spirituality has good results. Toxic faith condemns; real spirituality releases. Toxic faith is works-based; real spirituality is faith-based. Toxic faith judges; real spirituality is all about grace.”

Matthew 7:1-5 “Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged. For with the judgment you use, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye but don’t notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and look, there’s a log in your eye? Hypocrite! First take the log out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”


Ephesians 4:32: (ESV) “Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.”

139 comments to Moving Forward after Spiritual Abuse

  • greg (Bible Student)

    Hello to everyone reading.

    I’m wondering if anyone would like to have a conversation about doubt and re-learning how to love and trust one’s self after long-time exposure to Jehovah’s Witnesses teachings which frequently leave one confused, pessimistic, isolated, depressed, and even suicidal?

    You see, as part of my healing journey I needed to learn how to trust ME. I had completely lost all self-confidence, all self-esteem, all ability to know whether or not I really could know anything, and all capacity to believe my own thoughts, my own senses, my own feelings, my own memories, my own experiences. It had gotten so bad for me that I couldn’t even answer my wife when she would ask me if I wanted a hug. Watchtower toxicity had so thoroughly permeated my consciousness, I had become paralyzed with the life-and-death fear that there was a RIGHT and a WRONG answer to her question.

    Put into different words I had become a zombie, one of the living dead who was still trying to somehow be a “nice, dead, person.” I was afraid to think, afraid to feel, afraid to express myself, afraid of my own experience.

    It got so bad that I once wrote the following:

    “When no one believes what I tell them,
    and when I no longer believe my own
    senses, thoughts, or perceptions,
    how can I believe in the possibility
    of a God who will believe me?”

    Now I don’t want to focus on my past pain other than to say that it was bad, intense, paralyzing, debilitating, and best of all, exquisitely trustworthy.


    Did I just say “Best of all…”?

    Yes! That was the BEST part! My pain was HONEST, TRUE, and VALID. Though I’ll admit that it was incredibly confusing at the time, it was both pain and it was MINE!! And my pain was accurately informing me that something in my life was very, very unhealthy, very tragically wrong, and in desperate need of my attention. The pain got louder and louder and louder until I couldn’t ignore it anymore. And THEN, FINALLY, I acknowledged it, accepted it, OWNED it.

    Once I stopped letting others take it from me, and stopped letting others encourage me to deny it, discount it, explain it away, minimize it, doubt it, distrust it, and otherwise ignore it, then I could begin healing.

    So in a way, I discovered that my pain was also my trustworthy friend, my ally, and a blessing from Jehovah God. He made us with pain receptors by design, by wise intent. He wants us to pay attention to our pain because that’s what prompts us to get ourselves away from danger and closer to safety.

    So I’m putting this out there for anyone who would like to discuss the journey towards trusting one’s self and one’s experience: if you want to talk about HOW to move away from pain and closer to healing, I’m open to questions and discussions.

    We can communicate by exchanging replies here, or if you’d prefer, we can discuss this during our weekly support group testimony meetings on Saturdays. To be clear, these kinds of topics (and all the many others that we recovering Jehovah’s Witnesses face) are exactly what our testimony meeting is designed to help us with.

    Please be assured, you’re not the only one who is scared, who has lost the ability to know whether or not you know something, and who has no idea how to begin healing.

    Even though I’ve likely never met you, I keep each and every one you in my prayers daily because I still vividly remember what it was like for me when I didn’t know how to trust or love myself. Help is available. Together with God’s help, we can all heal.

    Warmly and sincerely,

    • Marjo

      I have long been thinking of this. Many people are saying that religions brainwash their members. That is what they said when I was a witness. I was against that thought of course, because GB class made me to it. I have just been reading about mindcontrol that is same than brainwash. But there is alot of things that are linked to religious groups like Jehovah Witnesses. Now I am free to think thoughts of my own. I don’t need any permission from GB for that.

      But I like to use the word mindcontrol it sounds much better. I guess I could say there is two kind of mindcontrol. One is good and one is bad….and in other cases you can not control your mind at all. In mindcontrol it is meant to get the person to behave, to feel and to think in a way they want to. There can also be included control of your feelings, control of your thougts, control of your behaviour, control of getting information. Personally I can point all of this Jehovah Witnesses.

      Control your feelings:
      You can not think of that person who has lef the congregation.
      You have to forget them. Even it is your own familymember.
      They make you think if you feel sad for someone who has left they will say, it is Satan who is trying to take control of you.
      They are getting in to your feelings just with a word Satan, included every sentense they write in their magazines. Every line they put in there. This can also be under the control of your thoughts also. No matter what kind of article they write what is meant to control your feelings your thoughts, they will use Satan for sure. It is very effecting power word.
      Notice how affective the word Satan can be.

      Control of your thougts:
      You have to think exactly the same way that Jehovah Witnesses. You even have to answer in the field service same way than them.
      You can’t think anything besides what they want you to think.
      You can’t think with your own brains at all, there is always included JW’s literature.
      You always have to agree whatever they say.

      Control of your behaviour:
      If you behave some how differently they will shun you
      They make you believe there is only one way how to behave and it is what they say.
      They think shunning is the right way.

      Control of getting information:
      You can not read anything else but JW literature.
      You can not search anything from internet. Everything else is apostate. Apostate is another power word they like to use to keep their members in their fingers.

      If anyone has more thoughts to list of these above feel free. You can search more about mindcontrol on google.

      • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

        Marjo you have hit the nail on the head about the word satan being used almost like a ritual. If fact I say often that witnesses fear satan and demons as if they are their gods. Resale shops, necklace and jewelry etc they look for signs of satan in everything. It becomes a worship almost as he is given so much power in the lives of witnesses. Instead we should have been learning about God and Jesus in our every day lives and being good persons naturally.
        Forgetting your relative; Jesus said they would throw you out of the synagogue and that family members would be turned against one another if one was to try and follow HIM instead of the sanhedrin or in our day the governing body. I have come to accept that my sons have delberately put themselves into slavery. And they like it that way. Harriet Tubman said negro slaves in her day liked the conditions of slavery and submitted when they and their family could get free by the underground railroad. The first thing the slavemasters did was separate families. Then they taught the men that they could breed with any female they wanted to and the master would take care of the offspring and the mother. The men liked that and having no knowledge of God submitted. I see that in the witness organization.Getting to the root of the mind control is understanding that it is a sexual paradisefor immorality and pedophilia.
        The same as in the beginning. Since I realize that ALL will get the opportunity to know what is right and wrong and have help in the kingdom it makes it more palatable.
        Since jesus and all of his apostles were apostates I embrace that word when someone throws that in my face. It means you left a group or religion that you had a long history, it isn’t by definition a bad thing.
        Although you, I and others on here live in opposite sides of the globe with different cultures we all act alike and have had the exact same experiences and all loath the governingbody.
        I would say this proves your point that they have used mind control on us all. But we can break free from this control of our minds by never reading their literature or listening to the governing body talks and not going to their meetings and conventions.
        You can’t get free if you go jjust to see what they have to say at the convention, they still control you. It is like the slaves they didn’t know they were slaves.

        • greg (Bible Student)

          I concur most emphatically!!

          The method of exposing persons to the continuous use of key words so as to psychologically condition people and to subsequently influence their behavior is very well-documented.

          The Nazis didn’t ever describe their goals and methods as the callous and prejudicial murder and extermination of countless human beings. Instead they gave their agenda an official status by calling it “The Final Solution.” And they were not really killing men, women, and children. They were only purifying Germany by eliminating “pests.”

          On pages 218 and 220 of the book, “The Grand Inquisitor’s Manual,” Jonathan Kirsch writes:

          (begin quote)
          Indeed, the violence that Nazi Germany did to language was always intimately linked to the violence it did to its victims. A distinction was made
          in official German documents between Jews who were assigned to “labor
          service”—that is, slave labor on starvation rations, a kind of murder in slow
          motion—and those designated for “special treatment.” Yet the distinction
          between these two fates was never spoken aloud by the bureaucrats who
          decided between them. Only during his interrogation by an Israeli police
          captain long after the war did Eichmann finally decode the phrase: “Special
          treatment,” he conceded, “was killing.”

          The image of Jews as pests and parasites is yet another borrowing from
          the vocabulary of medieval anti-Semitism, but it took on an entirely new
          and wholly literal meaning in Nazi Germany. Zyklon B, the brand name
          for the pellets of prussic acid used to kill Jewish men, women, and children
          in the gas chambers at Auschwitz and other death camps, was originally
          designed for use as an insecticide for delousing garments and disinfecting
          freight cars.”
          (end quote)

          We could create quite a list of Key-words and phrases that the Governing Body continually uses to help their members learn to cling to a blanket hatred of others (while calling it love) and a general distrust of everyone–including themselves. It would include words like:

          Governing Body
          Jehovah’s Witnesses
          Faithful and Discreet Slave
          the Heart
          The Wicked Ones
          Those Righteously Disposed
          Annointed Ones
          Appointed Ones
          Privileges of Service
          Independent Thinking
          Waiting Patiently on Jehovah

          and many many more.

          Which words would you add to the list?


          • Mind Control, Thought Control, Emotional Control
            words and phrases I heard as a JW repeated so many times I could not take it anymore:

            Stay obedient
            Stay in the Truth
            Fallen out of the truth
            You have the ONLY TRUTH here
            Only pay attention to Gods organization
            Everything else is false prophet
            Spiritual Darkness
            Doomed to failure
            Mentally ill
            Mentally sick
            Spiritually sick
            You do not want a Judicial Meeting
            Lack of spirituality
            Do not be misled by Satans world
            Bad association only ever spoils useful habits
            They are your associates, not friends
            No close friends out of the Organization
            Stay away from all worldly people
            Worldy people are all non JW
            Stay away from all that leave JW they are ALL Apostates
            ALL Apostates are LIARS
            Do not be destroyed with apostates
            Reject all that are BAD
            All that leave JW are part of Satans world
            In satans world you will fall apart
            If you leave you are leaving Gods ONLY Organization
            JW grows stronger and stronger because GOD is behind it
            Get baptized before Armageddon
            DO NOT get Disfellowshipped
            Loss of enthusiasm for the TRUTH
            Do Not Miss Your Meeting
            What is the most important meeting, the next meeting.
            What are you waiting for, do more and more for the organization to grow stronger
            If you leave your family will shun you
            You don’t want to loose your family, do you
            Staying in JW means you are separate than the world
            Do not wear a cross but you can wear the JW logo
            Loyalty to Watchtower
            Loyalty to Governing Body
            Reject ALL opposing views of JW
            Gods people are only here
            JW are the only ones preaching of Gods kingdom, no one else is!
            JW are the only ones in the Preaching Work
            Governing Body is your shepherd
            Do Not be critical to the elders
            Do not have twisted thinking
            Bring people in, make your field service time.
            Faith without action is dead
            Have FEAR
            The world is unhappy, stay away
            Feelings of guilt come to you if you leave
            Read the Bible not on your own
            Do Not Use Independent Thinking

            (…) < missing information in their literature that they don't put in on purpose.

            Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20
            "All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. "

            • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

              Sanura you hit thenail on the head. The witnesses have more laws added to the Bible than are in the law code said one group of brothers. They said they counted them in the flock book. They require more obedience than God himself. Jesus yoke is light and kind. The governing body of Jehovah witnesses puts themselves and their laws above God and in direct opposition to our Redeemer, Christ. What a bunch of narcisism on their part. They pose with their pictures as if they are above other humans, immortals. So glad to die free.

              • Oh! I forgot about the Elders Law Hand Book too!

                I once took it out of my Grandfathers bag when I was a little girl, and he pulled it from me and said you are never to read that is ONLY FOR ELDERS!

                I was like what in the world is in it!

                If everything comes from the Bible as they had taught me, I wondered why there was another book I couldn’t know about.

            • greg (Bible Student)


              You wrote:
              “Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20
              “All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.”

              This precise mentality, the continued insistence upon following this exact kind of demand is why I left the Jehovah’s Witness organization!

              So I ask something of each and every one who is reading:

              * How do you know the difference between something that might seem unsound, and something that REALLY IS unsound? If you can’t determine that for yourself, who are you going to trust to do it for you?

              * Who are you going to trust when you suddenly find that you have doubts, and that you cannot trust anyone, least of all yourself because you’ve come to depend so totally on others to do all your critical thinking for you?

              * Is it “wrong” to double-check? But how can you double-check if you can’t ask for more information?

              This instruction (this ORDER) to just obey MEN, and to do so even ABOVE and against one’s OWN direct experience and against one’s OWN conscience, is ludicrous!!

              Isn’t putting ANY MAN’s instructions above God dangerous?

              Acts 5:29 “Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.”

              Since Jehovah God is really quite silent (at least so far as our ears are concerned), are we to instead fill that silence with the words of someone, some MEN who claim to be God’s representatives?

              2 Corinthians 10:18 “For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.”

              Or should we maybe listen even harder to try and “hear” God’s voice by bringing into play ALL our direct experience, ALL our critical thinking ability, and ALL our attention and awareness and curiosity?

              Acts 17:11 “And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul’s message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth.” (NLT)

              Proverbs 14:15 “Only simpletons believe everything they’re told! The prudent carefully consider their steps.”

              Proverbs 14:7 “Go from the presence of a foolish man, When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.”

              Psalms 146:3 “Put not your trust in princes, Nor in a son of man, in whom there is no help.”

              And I really like the way the Children’s Living Bible puts the following gem of a scripture. See what you think.

              Ephesians 4:14 “Then we will no longer be like children, forever changing our minds about what we believe because someone has told us something different, or has cleverly lied to us and made the lie sound like truth. Instead, we will lovingly follow the truth at all times–speaking truly, dealing truly, living truly–and so become more and more in every way like Christ who is the Head of his body, the church.”

              One last scripture (of many hundreds more that are equally relevant):

              John 4:39-42 “Many Samaritans from the village believed in Jesus because the woman had said, “He told me everything I ever did!” When they came out to see him, they begged him to stay in their village. So he stayed for two days, long enough for many more to hear his message and believe. Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not just because of what you told us, but because we have heard him ourselves. Now we know that he is indeed the Savior of the world.””

              Changing gears slightly…

              Did you know that for many years after World War II was officially over, some Japanese Soldiers who were stationed in the Philippine Islands just kept on fighting? Having been given very strict orders, “UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES are you to give up voluntarily!!” they continued killing their perceived enemies and fighting a war that had been over for many years. It was nearly impossible to convince these soldiers that the orders they were still following were no longer applicable, and that it was safe for them put down their weapons and return home.

              On several occasions leaflets were printed and dropped from bomber planes to try and inform these holdout soldiers that the war was over but, because these soldiers had reason to suspect that the flyers were simply more propaganda, they renewed their determination to stick to their beliefs, their orders, their cause, and their fight. Other methods and attempts were also employed to convince these soldiers the war was really over. While a few soldiers gradually became convinced, others remained determined to do exactly what they had been commanded to do.

              Did you know that one particular soldier kept up fighting the war until 1974?!? At what point would his “loyalty” be considered misguided? How much evidence would be enough to convince him he was following orders that he should have renounced long ago?

              If YOU were given the job of locating and convincing these soldiers that the war was over, what would you do? Do you think that you could simply walk into their jungle, ask to talk to them, and then tell them that the war is over and they should just simply trust you and your words? How would you go about trying to convince them?

              And before you try to answer, consider the other perspective also: If you were one of the holdout soldiers, would you be likely to believe someone who comes along and tries to convince you that it’s now OK for you to simply take them at their word and to let down your guard and to put down your weapon? Would you find it an easy thing to relinquish your long-standing, time-tested fears which seemingly have somehow kept you alive all these years? Would you find it easy to renounce your long-held beliefs, and to completely turn your back on the explicit orders you’d been given?

              Do you see how dangerous it can be to one’s self and to others to just adhere to an order without at least considering it’s implications, and without being willing to check periodically to see if it’s still worth believing?

              Coming back to the 2013 Watchtower article, do you think it’s healthy to give another person or group so much influence over your own thinking and decisions that you are ready to simply and perpetually ignore any current and all future nagging questions you might have, and to disregard mounting evidence and growing concerns that warrant a more critical approach simply because you were told to ignore any concerns and stifle any qualms you might have?

              Is that REALLY the way Jehovah works? Is that REALLY what the scriptures tell us Jehovah wants from us? Or is it maybe Satan that would love to see a whole lot more of that from us?

              When you embrace the crazy idea that you should leave all your critical thinking to someone else, how can you possibly hope to be able to recognize the difference between a REAL threat and an IMAGINARY one? If you leave that determination up to someone else, how will you EVER learn to tell the difference before the danger strikes?

              Can’t you see how Jesus is knocking down the support pillars to the temples of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their Watchtower Idol, rather like Samson did with the Philistines? Maybe its time to get out of it before the structure collapses on you?


        • Marjo

          I have been trying to clear my thoughts about what happen on Saturday in a store. I wrote that reply on Friday and right after that in Saturday I get called an apostate. That made me thinking if they are reading this site aswell. Because I did took the link in finnish site. Some elders do go and seek what ex-witnesses write about them, even the leaders in Bethel. When they teach their members not to go and see what ex-witnesses write, then these elders think they have right to do that. They act against their own teachings. They know that. That’s why they say their members to call leavers an apostates, because elders and leaders have seen that they are wrong and we are right.

          • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

            Marjo I overslept Saturday so I wasnt on testimony meeting saturday morning. I am so sorry to hear you were disrespected by this man. What prompted them to approach you? Was it because you spoke to them? I have stopped speaking to witnesses unless they speak to me first because of how evil they look at me, it scares me. I feared a physical confrontation on several occasions in a bank and at Wal-Mart. I just walked away.
            Jesus and his apostles were apostates because they left Judaism and instituted a new approach to God. So we are in good company to recognize when we need to change our worship over to God and not the sanhedrin governing body of Jehovah witnesses.
            Elders within the Jehovah witness organization have always been the unkindest and harshest men. So that is to be expected of them. Some of the members when not watched will speak if they come face to face.
            I was told that one of my sons reads everything I have written here and that Warwick made him aware it was me, his mother. So now at least I know he is getting some good spiritual food and enlightment if he reads every word. So embrace apostasy as a following in Jesus footsteps. It is a good thing!
            Also they always say do as I say not as I do so yes many elders are on these sites. But we must teach them how to break free also.
            So to all Marjo elders and other peeping elders we say Hello and welcome.
            PS: Marjo this is an example of how even the witness women can be violent. This is a witness family.

            • Marjo

              You need to sleep sometimes. No I didnt say nothing to them. I was only shopping till I saw them and heard what they said about me. It was meant for me to hear. I dont have much to say to them. That wont stop me writing. We have free will and they cant chain it.

              • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

                You have the right attitude Marjo, keeping talking. To talk loud enough for you to hear is immature and is that what you expect of men called elders?
                Try to get that off of you and keep talking it out. They just confirm you should have left.

          • greg (Bible Student)

            Dear Marjo,

            I hope that you regain your inner serenity quickly. I know how distressing it can be when you are falsely accused and publicly condemned.


            • Marjo

              I am trying not to think of that too much. I am glad they don’t know my address. Maybe they are afraid because they know that Bible students are in Finland also. They will only make them fool of themselves by saying things in public.

      • greg (Bible Student)


        I’m so grateful to you for listing some of the very real ways that Jehovah’s Witnesses and especially their Governing Body endeavour to influence their members, dominate their minds, and manipulate their behaviours. You also mentioned that that they use key-words and concepts to vilify not only actions, but also emotions. They even go so far as to weaponize words and condemn individuals. Even more worrisome is that the Governing Body and the Elders and the other powerful players in their game are not just content to condemn individuals, but they seek to influence and bully everyone else into imitating their actions and their attitudes.

        I’m reminded of a conceptual model called the Power and Control Wheel. Here’s what one website has to say:

        (begin quote)
        Relationship violence is a combination of a number of different tactics of abuse that are used to maintain power and control — which are the words in the very center of the wheel. The center is surrounded by different sets of behaviors that an abusive partner uses in order to maintain this power and control.

        These sets of behaviors are:

        Coercion and threats
        Emotional abuse
        Minimizing, denying and blaming
        Using children
        Economic abuse
        Male privilege

        A lot of these behaviors can feel subtle and normal — often unrecognizable until you look at the wheel in this way. Many of these can be happening at any one time, all as a way to enforce power within the relationship.
        (end quote)

        In my experience with Jehovah’s Witnesses, they “make” you doubt yourself. (I’m choosing to use the word “make” more for convenience than accuracy. The truth is a little more complex than the word “make” fully captures.) The entire structure is designed around the myth that if left on their own, People are inherently evil little creeps who desperately NEED to be, and therefore MUST be controlled by some outside authority.

        One of the Governing Body’s most primary Doctrines is called “The Issue of Universal Sovereignty,” which is simply a way of calling attention to the question, “WHO has the RIGHT to RULE (a.k.a. Dominate) people?” By focusing so much attention on discussions about WHO, the Governing Body totally obfuscates the issue of HOW God really uses his “Authority”, and WHY. In so doing, the Governing Body and their cronies and henchmen all justify ALL their METHODS. And now they have the power dynamics of Power and Control effectively hidden behind a smokescreen, just like any abusive relationship where the persecutor justifies their actions with expressions like, “I do this because I Love you. I do ALL this to try and HELP you. No one else can Love you like I do! Where else can you go? No one else will love you as much as I do. No one else will put up with you and be willing to sacrifice so much for you.”

        And these mixed messages which include both pain and twisted claims of love can and do often leave the recipient (victim) of these actions and abuses quite unable to trust their own sensations of pain. It’s precisely that mechanism that I’m interested in bringing to awareness. It’s precisely that mechanism that makes it difficult for anyone in any kind of abusive relationship to leave or escape an abusive relationship.

        Whenever I am being hurt or threatened by someone and I choose or allow myself, **for whatever reason**, to believe THEIR words OVER the PAIN I feel, the pain THEY are inflicting, then I am THEIR captive, THEIR prisoner, and I’m trapped in a situation where I am accepting as normal something that is really very unhealthy and dangerous. This kind of situation is known as Coercive Control.

        Jehovah God does NOT use Coercive Control.

        Jehovah God does NOT use fear, threats, intimidation, or bullying methods to coercively control people. He allows and desires people to be autonomous. He is more concerned with what he wants our REASONS TO BE for acting out of love for Him, for ourselves, and for others. He wants our LOVE, not our terror. Jehovah draws us to him using LOVE, not terror tactics.

        It is fear, NOT LOVE that influences the words and actions and attitudes of most of the Jehovah’s Witnesses that I know. And the ripple effects are so tragic, so sad, so painful.

        If anyone is interested in learning more about Power and Control, Coercive Control, and other domination methods, etc., be sure to look up those terms on Wikipedia or elsewhere on the internet.

        The link below is a great place to start.

        It might sound kind of silly, or overly-obvious, but getting free of an abusive relationship begins by remembering this:

        If it hurts, it’s probably because it hurts. Never let anyone deny the truth of your pain.

        If someone is hurting or threatening you, THEY are responsible and THEY are accountable. THEY are the one who needs help. THEY are not to be trusted as having your best interests at heart. They only really have THEIR OWN interests at heart.

        Warmly and Compassionately,
        a fellow refugee,

  • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

    This is a copy of one of the text messages that Sanura sent. I find it unbelievable that an intelligent people would say this.Does this make sense?

    Oh yeah and they said this: the books are now being “printed” by apostates which makes them “demonized” 🤣 and that the watchtower printed ones are “safe” but no to have in the home due to “old light”

    • TedR Bible Stusent

      JW’s love to use the term demonized when it comes to anyone expressing disagreement with the society. In my opinion they are the ones demonized! How else can you explain parents turning on their children, children turning on their parents, family turning on family? All in the name of loyalty to Jehovah? It’s sad! In their hearts they know it’s wrong but they have been misled by teaching of demons!

      • Jacqueline (Bible student)

        TedR witnesses fear the devil to the point it is more fear than they have of God. They no fear or respect for Jesus like they do demons. I thought with more knowledge via the Internet more would wake up from this morning fear.

        Below is the link to the 66 million lawsuit filed by Canada. The victims were shunned because they spoke out so Canada is attempting to bring the watchtower society to justice by making them compensate theses destroyed victims.


    • Marjo

      I don’t want to be rude for them, but they really should look in to the mirrors. They are blindsighted by Governing body. I have to say this, but I really think if it is Jehovah what Govering body is worshipping? They might worship something else, but they write everything as Jehovah’s name and I find it disturbing and disgusting. If they would worship Jehovah their behavoir wouldn’t be like this.

  • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

    Dear friends, please pray for the peace to be restored to Sanura. Her family and elders visited her. She has lost sleep and work time over this brutal attack on her just trying to get her spirituality back on track.
    Her parents should have rejoiced and hugged their daughter, but instead they launched a verbal attack on their daughter! She is a Christian, what has happened to the witnesses? It seems a possession has hit them, more than usual.
    I think since they called New York, that the governing body is in fear, that the long told lie of saying all Bible students are dead will be revealed.
    Sunora 3:30 am text showed she is worn out but standing in the LORD. Pray for her, please.

    • Marjo

      That is insane! These times I can reply to these lost sheeps whom don’t know what they are doing with

      Romans 14:10,12

      But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgement seat of God

      So then, each of us will render an account for himself to God.

      My thoughts and prayers are with you Samura.

  • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

    Tip for today: Let’s not insist on perfection. Accept “Good.”

    Perfection suggests we are unblemished, immaculate, without any flaws or defects.
    That there is no action needed to improve, that you have reached a level that cannot be exceeded.

    Perfect can be the enemy of good as you push yourself to nowhere.
    We spend a lot of time not making a decision because we are analyzing every little detail thus damaging your mental health.

    Accept GOOD. Say, I am doing the best I can right now. Hands over your head, BREATHE in deeply; hold a sec, now EXHALE with hands coming down to the sides. Try to embrace what you do, imperfectly good (think on this). We have been pushed to the brink by the governing body of the watchtower society. Forgive yourself,enjoy your day.

    LET IT GO!! The past is in the past. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

  • I read this today as I was suffering hard with tears I could not stop.

    Then I see this article here, which was exactly what I needed to read to help me stay strong; along with all of your helpful comments above.

    I met the Bible Students after having no idea they even existed. I am learning so much from them and it has helped open my eyes to even more spiritual truth. I didn’t really understand what spiritual food truly was until I found them.

    Yesterday I received my books I ordered: Charles Russell – “The Studies In The Scriptures” – all 6 volumes.

    I was so excited that I blindly without thought told my parents who are still JW. I left in 2002 and I talk to them but not on anything deep or about my life or about anything spiritual really. As those are their JW rules. I left in 2002 because I felt lost my entire life as a JW. I felt there was much more and I needed to expand my knowledge of scripture and truth and they weren’t truly letting me fulfill that need. I wanted to study all different things and put it all together. So I pulled away slowly.

    Now, I told them I found the Bible Students. I told them about the books I received and was so excited about it I couldn’t keep it a secret to myself from them.

    That was a very bad idea!! I should have kept my new spiritual food to my self, but I didn’t.

    So here is what happen:

    I was told the Bible Students are Apostate and all their literature is Apostate.

    That their literature including all books hold demons.
    That I was to be doomed at Armageddon for this all basically. My parents called Watchtower and their local Elders. The Elders asked my parents, saying tell her we want to meet with her. I quickly said no and declined. I was attacked full force within minutes. My parents are not in a hall I was ever in either, but none the less I am no part of the JW religion and there is no need for me to answer to them. Especially after all these years. The elders told my parents basically I am a person seeking apostate demon literature and apostate faith, all being non biblical truth. I was told that Charles Russell books are all FALSE now due to their New Light. That reading them would be old light which is wrong to do.

    So I was in total shock. I am still. I was so happy to get these books to start studying them and now they tore them all down within seconds. I was hoping my parents would say, that is really nice to hear from you. But the very opposite happen and now they are like wanting to shun me even more than I was already shunned. – I am still moving forward with my books of course but that was a hard hit.

    I lost my sister many years ago. I lost my entire family even. But what happen when I first lost them is that they all told me my faith in God would disappear and be no more once I left JW.

    What happen is that MY FAITH IS SO STRONG THEY CAN NOT BTREAK IT DOWN. I won’t let them ever do that to me again.

    So I come on this site and this article above is exactly what I needed to read today. Bless you all and thank you for being you!!!

    May God bless us all and continue to give us all the strength we need to endure!

    I look forward to learning more too. I pray one day my family takes a stand for themselves as Gods loyal servants instead of trying to take down anyone that is not listed as a JW. So sad that is. Jesus never taught us in such unloving ways. Jesus never taught us to judge each other so harshly like this. Sometimes its hard, and I think I am not doing enough or perfectly right; so I pray and that is what keeps me strong every single day.

    So no matter what, don’t let anyone ever pull you or your spiritual growth down. Just keep rising up again and again and again…. – OX

    • Marjo

      It must be hard, but you need to remember this that they speak what Governing body is telling to. It is not from Jehovah. They won’t own Jehovah He is for everyone. Their actions only proof that you have found the truth. Now we can only pray that your parents will see the real state of Governing body. You need to stay strong also.

      • Thank you Marjo! It is nice to meet you and read all your helpful comments as well! I pray they let go of the blind fold and let their eyes really see truth. I will stay strong, so happy to find you all!

      • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

        Marjo could you let Sanura know when you will be on testimony so she can maybe get to talk to you. Although you are worlds apart you seem good gor each other. Wait until you hear Sanura’s life story and who she is related too.

        • Marjo

          Is Samura in North American meeting or European one? If she is in North American one, I can arrange my time I can be there.

          • Hi Marjo! (my personal story below too)

            I live in the US and on the border of NC and SC. Not far from a town in North Carolina called Asheville.

            I can give you my number anytime too and if you use Facebook you can look my name up and friend me. You can google my name too cause all my stuff is online. 🙂

            I can also talk to you on the site provided for us where we tell and share our stories.
            I am overjoyed to find and meet you all! It has been a HUGE BLESSING!

            ~~ My family are all JW, I am the only one who left. I am I think 3rd generation in. ~~

            I pulled away at a young age, not ever because I did not love Jehovah. I pulled away because I saw and felt in my heart something was deeply wrong within the organization. I knew believe it or not, when I was age 7. I was pushed into getting baptized at age 12. I wanted to be baptized for Jehovah but deep down I felt something was really wrong.

            When I did my baptism questions which was like 300 questions or something crazy like that lol. I wrote down every single one of my answers on paper and read each answer to the elders.

            I wrote them down because my words would get mixed up because the men made me very nervous. Then the elders asked me if my parents had written the answers for me. I said no, these are my own answers. So they didn’t let me get baptized but made me do them all over again! So I did them twice over. I had to memorize more as to not write down everything. It was really hard for me. My memory has always been hard so I write things down, I still do to this day!

            So after I was baptized at 12, I thought I would maybe feel differently about my faith and it would just make me stronger. It did not. After baptism and praying I felt more and more disconnected to my faith as a JW. So when I was old enough I left.

            I have had barely any family in my life since.

            My sister husband wrote me terrible messages and also my mothers sister and my grandmother, all of them actually. When you leave you see another side to people. Everyone said I would be doomed for leaving. I was truly hard on myself for many years, my health was failing due to it too. I have never lost my love for Jehovah though, but I lost feeling worthy of his love back to me. But every single day of my life the first thing on my mind is Jehovah. Its always been that way for me. Now I am on a mission to let the love fill my heart again and really gain spiritual food and blessings.

            I am so excited to learn all I can. That is why I am so happy I found you all!

            My parents are very upset I found you all, but I know they are governed my men as you said.

            I first woke up at a young age around 7 when:

            I was opening the door for an older man (brother) at the Kingdom Hall. I said hello to him and he looked at me and needed help getting the door open. So I reached up to help him. I said hello again to him because I didn’t think he heard me because he didn’t say anything back to me. Then an elder looked at me and shook his head and said to me, do not talk to him he is DF. I ran to the bathroom and hid in the stall and cried. I didn’t tell anyone what happen. I felt so bad for the man and my heart hurt that I could not talk to him. I said to myself this is wrong. Ever since that day, I never felt right in the faith again.

            I never ever fit in. I never fit in the clicky groups either. The kids my age were all leading double lives. I felt so lost for many years.

            My Grandfather: William (Bill) Tenaglia was – District Overseer at Vet Stadium Conventions in Philadelphia, PA.
            He was also the Prosiding Overseer PO and a Circuit Overseer.
            He was loved and known by hundreds of JW on the US East Coast PA, DL, NJ, NY…. He just past away a couple years ago.
            But I have not talked to him for many years because I left.
            He would say Hi to me a few times that was all, nothing more then that.

            Growing up I saw so much happen inside the Congregation.

            Elder fights, money congregation fights, brothers attacking each other, brothers writing letters about each other to send to Brooklyn. Elders getting removed. Screaming matches at the Kingdom Hall between brothers. It was a huge disaster. Either I thought I am in the most dysfunctional congregation or every hall was like this. It was awful. In fact I walked in the sisters bathroom once and in lipstick my cousin wrote on the wall – I hate this place. It was not good.

            As I got older I was told I had failed faith because my family was so looked up upon in the congregation, My grandfather it was like he had a lot of power or something; that I couldn’t live up to the high family looked upon standards. I said no, I don’t fit in this faith at all because my heart is not in it, I don’t care what everyone else is doing honestly. Everything about it felt wrong to me. I wanted to just read the Bible and Love. I didn’t want anything more than that.

            I did see a lot of bad happen, but I knew all of it was just not for me. I saw some people die to the no blood issue too and that was weighing on my heart. The list was just endless.

            So instead I started working at construction Assembly and Kingdom Hall build sites to fill my time so I could pull away from the meetings and field service.

            That worked for a while. But then I just faded slowly finally and then was gone.

            I saw so many things happening behind the scenes at District Conventions for years. I would sit under tables and listen to all that was going on. Or I would pretend I was sleeping under the table and hear it all.

            To me it was who is better than who. Once an anointed brother came up to the office at the District Convention and he was praised like a God. I looked at him and thought I wonder what he had to do to get such a high position. I was afraid to talk to him. I just stared and listened and thought I will never be as good as him and how on earth did he do it. I was told me were not aloud to ask such questions.

            As I got older I thought about all the things I saw and it made me pull away. I wanted to see pure love and I didn’t want to see anymore hate and jealously and positions. I saw so many jealous of each other in the faith. Like who had which position, who had more hours in field service, who placed more books in the field ministry, who had their Watchtower studied, who gave the better talk, and the list went on.

            I was talked down to once because I did not place much literature.

            So I made up the next month on my monthly paper saying I placed all this literature and books; only I did not.
            So then an elder came up to me and said did you really place all that this past month and I looked at him and I lied and I said, yes I did. I think I was about 11. I felt bad for lying so I then wrote the next month all zero and figured eventually I would catch up to all that I wrote on that one paper which said I placed a lot. Then I thought, why does this even matter. I liked informal witnessing. I liked talking to people that just wanted to ask me questions and not because I was making them ask. So I stopped trying so hard.

            You know, its not until you get older that you start to realize in life what really matters.

            I found that the greatest gift Jehovah has ever given us is LOVE.

            So when I left I decided I would help anyone I ever met in my life and put the past behind me. I have been talked down to from every singe person in my family. But the people I meet that are not JW and the people that I meet that are just regular everyday people, I show them love in any way I know how to. I tried all different little things to fill the void of non family love and found it elsewhere and shared my love elsewhere too.

            The main reason I had left JW is that I can not and will not ever look down on anyone.

            That is what I learned from the JW religion because I saw it happening daily. So I now: never look down on anyone, never shun anyone, understand people and listen to their story, never judge another person, always show love even to those that hate me.

            Leaving JW has made myself a better and stronger person. When you loose everything and have nothing else to loose, you gain something, you gain the gift of being fearless. Nothing can stop you anymore when you have lost everything. Now you can only gain.

            And now, I have more friends then I can count; once again scattered all over the world, the beautiful and extremely humble Bible Students.

            I have a new family all of you, and I have gained love back in my heart and entire life as a whole.

            I have found my true God and father in heaven Jehovah and his beautiful son our king and savior Jesus Christ. They are now my best friends and I talk to them whenever I like, not just to eat, but anytime of day and night. They are always there listening and watching. Even songs of praise come in my mind daily now that I make up. So I found I lost my JW family, but I am never ever alone and Jehovah blessed me with a whole new family once again.

            • Marjo

              Wow that was a story. It is really sad that others in the congregations, won’t see where it is going. But now you have found the real truth. You know it has been told, that the family isn’t always about blood. No matter how much we want them to be, but I guess it is taking longer time for others to figure what is wrong and what is right.

              I googled your name, but wasn’t sure which one it was so here is mine.

              Take good care of yourself 🙂

            • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

              Sanura, I am so moved and caught up in your joy that I cant find words to express myself. I am so happy you survived and I just have to go pray and THANK GOD FOR HOLDING YOU UP! Our entire class was in pain Wednesday night while you were fighting with all those people to be able to learn about God and Jesus. Your story is a powerful testimony. Thank you for sharing.

    • Ellis Green

      Dear Sanura Moon,

      Ellis here and I’ve always been a bit of a “rough diamond” but your story brought a lump to my throat! I’ve had hardships too but I’ve had it easy compared to you! You show amazing faith and you’re a fine example to follow. God bless.

      • Hi Ellis!

        You are so sweet! I just wrote my whole story above in a comment to Marjo. 🙂

        It is a beautiful place we have here to meet each other and share our stories!

        Jehovah God has truly blessed and touched all of our hearts! He gives us endless gifts!
        He never ever stops looking after us! If we leave JW or no matter where we are in life, he is there! When we are lost and have no idea which way to turn, he is there! We just have to pray and he guides our every step!

        I look at my pets and they get me thru each day but I know they were gifts also from Jehovah too!
        When I first lost my JW family; my pets were right there for me with love! As one past I would be blessed with another. 🙂

        I cant wait to meet you and hear your story as well! Agape!!

        ~ I advise anyone who gets shunned, rescue a pet and you have a loving friend with you asap!!

    • just say sweet and good

      If the Studies in the Scriptures are apostate why are they still in the Kingdom Hall libraries?

      • just say sweet and good

        Anyone who points out to you your personal sin is YOUR Armageddon. Isaiah 66:2
        When we repent of our sins and make proper restitution then our lives become a judgment against those who have not done the same yet. Thats how Noah condemned the world of his day. He was building a boat, not trying to convert the world. He was a preacher of righteousness by practicing righteousness. His faith condemned the hateful people of his time. Heb. 11:7 The boat we build now is not an organization. It is our character that can withstand all attacks. It takes time to build this new personality. Nobody is born with it. We have to want to be like our Lord and Master Jesus. He said we can do it. A good Papa never asks more of his children than what the are able to do. JUST STAY SWEET AND GOOD Focus on it. Don’t let anybody steal your peace.

      • Hi! Thank you for your kind words. 🙂

        I love how you say: The boat we build now is not an organization.

        In reference to Noahs Arch. That is a really nice point. 🙂

        We are here to follow how Jesus approached all on earth with his/Gods teachings.
        Wasn’t the Arch to represent Jesus body too??
        Its saves us all.

        You are right why pull down one another, but lift each other up instead. I am staying strong.

        I was so excited about my new find and books to study to understand scripture better. Within seconds they all tried to pull it all away from me. No love was shown, not at all.

        I was told by JW:

        “The Studies in the Scriptures are not in their own local Kingdom Hall any longer.
        The Studies in the Scriptures are not in print directly by Watchtower anymore.
        The Studies in the Scriptures are now being printed by only Bible Student Apostate.
        Due to being printed by Apostate they may have changed them and also the books can hold demons.
        They are now considered old light. There is really no reason to read them anymore.
        We have new light now, and we only need to read new light as the light is only getting brighter and brighter.”

    • greg (Bible Student)


      Greetings! And, if you’ll accept them, Hugs!

      Jesus said, ““Stop judging that YOU may not be judged; for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged; and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU.” -Matthew 7:1

      He also said, “For if YOU forgive men their trespasses, YOUR heavenly Father will also forgive YOU; whereas if YOU do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will YOUR Father forgive YOUR trespasses.” -Matthew 6:14-15

      Personally, I prefer to be merciful, compassionate, forgiving, and patient with everyone, because that’s how I want God to treat me. I want him to correct me not in anger, but justly and with kindness.

      “So correct me, LORD, but please be gentle. Do not correct me in anger, for I would die.” -Jeremiah 10:24 (NLT version)

      Why can’t JW’s be nice? I believe it’s because of this: While they might claim to “love their enemies”, I am convinced they have been taught to love their enemy images even more! Just like the Nazi’s, if you ask a JW what would make life wonderful, they’ll answer, “Kill millions of people.”

      And they are willing to steam-roll and sacrifice to their God of Hate and Destruction anyone who says otherwise.

      Please be assured that you are among friends who really do care. You are not alone. You are not the only one seeing and experiencing the cruel hypocrisy and self-righteousness of so many “loyal-to-MEN” JW’s.

      It’s truly heartbreaking to hear that those who were entrusted as your caregivers are now giving you great pain and no real care at all. If you can, please join us on the testimony meeting this weekend. We’d love to hear you express yourself, and we’d love a chance to let you hear our caring in return.

      Warm brotherly love,

      • Oh my goodness! Your message with scripture has me in tears! I love these scriptures so very much! I need to read them over and over again!!

        Your words are right and true Brother!
        Before I would be alone in prayer about all of these things happening and now I see so many struggling though the same things I am! This is truly a place to rejoice in love and care!

        I keep hearing from my parents and elders that all that leave JW are Apostate and have no love. But the opposite is happening! I feel the JW without love nor forgiveness of any kind. I see those that are here who have left helping build each other all back up!

        All I wanted to do was read Studies in the Scriptures. I got attacked within seconds now due to it and its continued into days. I was told also to NEVER talk to a Bible Student again. I am not a child, I am in my 30s. I think I can make a good choice for myself by now. They really hold you to obeying only as they say. Its actually very scary.

        I do plan to share my story with all of you and hear from all of you too! It is a place of escape and also a place to heal! What time or day are you on? I am in North Carolina. I am also here to help support everyone. 🙂

        The JW told me this:

        “The Studies in the Scriptures are not in their own local Kingdom Hall any longer.
        The Studies in the Scriptures are not in print directly by Watchtower anymore.
        The Studies in the Scriptures are now being printed by only Bible Student Apostate.
        Due to being printed by Apostate they may have changed them and also the books can hold demons.
        They are now considered old light. There is really no reason to read them anymore.
        We have new light now, and we only need to read new light as the light is only getting brighter and brighter.”

    • TedR Bible Stusent

      I have had all 7 volumes in my library for 48 years and have given away several duplicates to other JWs I know. I also have nearly every publication published by Rutherford. I have never hid them in fact I donated some to the KH. It’s not possessing them but studying them and accepting the teachings over “new light” that will get you labeled apostate. Simply refusing to accept new light regardless of the age can label you an apostate. It never ceases to amaze me the arrogance of the Society. And they want to call those who adhere to the Bible arrogant, self centered, and prideful? The ultimate prideful act is to persecute those who disagree with your views. That is what the Society does, not the Bible Students. If you were shunned simply for possession of the volumes then you elders overstepped their authority. Half of the congregation I had been a part of would be DF’d. It’s a shame that happened to you. You have my sympathies and prayers.

      • Hi Ted!

        Yes, I said I would read old light to them if that is what they label it as. I said I will read and study all things that help guide me in my own spiritual path regardless if some tell me to do different.

        I am happy you have the books and share them. 🙂

        I look forward to reading them now. I know the JW keep saying focus only on new light; but I also said I do not agree to erase the past nor remove history. It all guides us to where we are today.

        I actually trust these books now more than any of their JW new light. So that will mark me as an apostate. How wrongly sad that is. They fling this apostate word around of accusing people left and right. It is truly overused! If you ask a question you are considered Apostate. I first was called this years ago because I questioned my baptism. (I put my story about what happen above.)

        So since I questioned it to my JW family, a simple thought question, my aunt called me, accused me of not loving Jehovah and accused me of being an apostate and told me her and her family will be shunning me and hung up on me before I could speak. (By the way my JW aunt who accused me; has been married 3 times; cheated on her husband; kids with different dads; DF 3 times; Drinks every night; and slept with my boss and I lost my job when I was a younger person due to it, the list goes on…and I never shunned her once; but due to my baptism question she shunned me and told the rest of the family to do the same to me. They all did.)

        My JW baptism thought was that got me in a ton of trouble:
        Why are JW making kids get baptized so young without explaining to them that when they get older if they ever change their mind they will be shunned by all they knew and loved; even loosing family. I also said, why are we baptized for an organization, we need to be baptized for our faith in God Jehovah and Jesus Christ. Not for a manmade religion. I wish you all explained this to me as well when I was 12 instead of just pushing me telling me I was getting too old and needed to be baptized right away.

        Oh was I in for it!! I was told that was “Independent Thinking”. Then I was shunned within seconds.

        By the way I wrote this above too about the books so you know what they are telling JW now about them:

        “The Studies in the Scriptures are not in their own local Kingdom Hall any longer.
        The Studies in the Scriptures are not in print directly by Watchtower anymore.
        The Studies in the Scriptures are now being printed by only Bible Student Apostate.
        Due to being printed by Apostate they may have changed them and also the books can hold demons.
        They are now considered old light. There is really no reason to read them anymore.
        We have new light now, and we only need to read new light as the light is only getting brighter and brighter.”

    • Henry

      Hi Sanura
      I just wanted to let you know that we all were intently following your situation as Jacqueline briefed us on it at the Wednesday Bible study. Although I hadn’t met you on line as of yet, I was greatly concerned about how you were going to get through it all.

      Well I can feel your joy and strong convictions that emulates from your comments. God is with you and will remain with you as you encounter other obstacles in the future. Remember that “the testing of your faith produces endurance”(Jas.1:3) In other words, each test God allows you to go through you will become stronger than what you were before!

      Continue relying on Jehovah (“The God of all comfort”) and his son Jesus(2 Cor.1:3) and you will truly be rewarded by our heavenly Father.

      Welcome to our spiritual family Sanura!

      • Hi Henry!

        I am so happy to read your comment to me! I love how you wrote: “…each test God allows you to go through you will become stronger than what you were before!”

        I am finding that to be very true! I am getting stronger, even when I keep getting pulled down, no matter what I stand strong for Jehovah! I have my heart filled with love and joy for Jehovah and Jesus and keep finding complete comfort in them no matter what I am going through!

        I am overjoyed to have found you all now!

        Are you the Brother Henry who has been ill?
        If you are or if not, I am still sending you a huge hug and hope you are doing good!

  • greg (Bible Student)


    Thanks for posting this link! It’s really wonderful to me to see that this report makes the underlying problem pop clearly into focus, namely: That the JW organization believes they are 1) ABOVE the law of the land, and therefore not required to be subject to it, 2) adequately qualified to handle these matters, and 3) unwilling to answer questions honestly when asked. While child sexual abuse IS a huge and devastating issue for the ones impacted by it, the above points are the core components of the RECIPE, or incubator so-to-speak that help create, foster, and maintain the abuse issue, making it possible, tragic, chronic, and prevalent.

    At about the 4:52 mark, the question is asked: “Cases of Child Abuse are NOT reported to the Police. Did you ask the JW’s why they do not?” and the answer is given: “Yes, we’ve asked this question but…they do not answer this question.”

    Did I mention how sickening it is to continually see such abundant ignorance and prolific arrogance in the JW organization? And it seems that the governing body cannot stop pompously flaunting their unique combination of ignorance and arrogance. (In case anyone hasn’t already encountered the most recent shocking display of their ignorance and arrogance, search youtube for “Pillowgate”.) It’s even being reported that elders and ministerial servants are now being trained how to “shut down inquiries” regarding all these “False News Reports” about the organization.

    Did you know that in their “Shepherd the Flock” book (the “secret” manual for elders only) it says on page 65 (Chapter 5, section 16 under the heading: “Offenses requiring Judicial Decisions”):

    “Apostasy is a standing away from true worship, a falling away, defection, rebellion, abandonment. It includes the following:
    . . .
    Deliberately spreading teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses…”

    Do you understand what that expression really means? Can you see the sneaky snake speak hidden within the lawyer-speak? You are NOT judged as guilty of Apostasy for spreading teachings that are contrary to the Bible truth. No! You can be judged as Apostate ONLY for spreading teachings contrary to those that are taught by JW’s. So long as your teaching is in line with JW teachings, it matters not if those teachings are contrary to the Bible. In fact, in order to accept “truth as taught by” JW’s you MUST OF NECESSITY teach contrary to MANY basic Bible Truths. This “defection” “from true worship”, this “abandonment” of GOD’S Word the Bible or “rebellion” is not what they have issue with. It’s the abandonment of THEIR word they condemn, vilify, and take up as a Witch-hunt. Like their father, Satan the Manslayer, they retain sufficient truth mixed in with all their lies so as to dupe and confuse and beguile and keep you imprisoned. But it’s their lies that get you–not the truth.

    Excuse me while I go vomit now…

    Thanks for sharing this link, Sr. Jacqueline. And I’d also like to thank the RTL News for an excellent handling of the story and shining bright and focused light on the underlying systemic issues! Kudos!!


    • Marjo

      I wouldn’t be surprised if JW’s would be part of this

      Rev 17:18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth

      • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

        Marjo I have had brothers refer to the Jwitness organization as third Babylon. It seems governments are afraid of it for some reasons.
        1. There is huge revenue generated for the cities that have the massive conventions every year. One city convention official was fired for refusing to give the witnesses the parking lot free for their convention in Huntsville, Al. I have seen many article where businesses say they go in the black when the conventions come during the summer months. This is worldwide. That is the reason they make you eat dinner at restaurants and just bring your bag lunch. They make sure hotel rooming is stressed etc. It is called BIG BUSINESS. They also receive Millions every year in donations at these conventions. They receive the buildings and parking free, and they guarantee commerce for the city and some businesses DEPEND ON THOSE CONVENTIONS FOR SURVIVAL! Create a Google Alert Jehovah witnesses in google and you will get all of these articles that confirms what I am saying.
        The merchants will cry when this mighty empire of the watchtower bible and tract society is brought to nothing by the governments and the merchants will stand back. Any caught inside of these huge Religious systems should flee now to Christ so they don’t suffer the backlash when they fall. In Russia if those brothers would go to Christ and leave that organization they can survive the carnage as the Russian government deal with this giant powerful religion headed by a governing body in Warwick. They are God’s people and should flee now as Babylon the Great begin to ccrumble. That is what the 17th chapter of Revelation and the 18th encourages his people to do. Yes, I too believe the governing body run organization and the pope run catholic church and all the huge great organizations of religions are starting to fall.

        • Ellis Green

          Sis Jacqueline, you really think that Warwick (Governing Body actually) will come tumbling down like Jericho, figuratively speaking?

          Why does everything revolve around money? And I suppose the new GB member will be as useful as a chocolate teapot? Any truth in the rumour I heard that they have hedge funds in the Cayman Islands do you think? Investments in military companies like Lockheed Martin and Rand-Com?

          • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

            The Rand company stock was revealed when being an NGO in the United Nations was revealed. Theu claim they were willed the stock. It is my belief they are a part of Babylon the great, because they are a huge religious system and corporation. They are billionaires. I can see them adding more naive members then these guys taking off for the caymans. Barbara Andersons website has always had the corporations where they hide funds. That names of corp are located on her site. They want to move to make cong autonomous again so they are sued individually. That is why some elders are leaving to escape the liability.

        • Marjo

          That makes sense. I have been reading a history of reformation. How Luther did it. Maybe JW religion need such reformation. There are so many false doctrine mixed in it, that it is sad to see how they lead people in wrong way. When JW’s fall down in Russia, they had their convention here in Finland. There also has been talking that they would move their office in here also. Escaping from the Russia. What happens to the members? They can’t leave from there. They have their homes and families there. Big boss escaped from the town and left members to suffer. These people need to wake up now and not tomorrow.

          • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

            Marjo there is actually a group trying to reform the organization. Rena sent this to me: http://jwreform.org/index.html
            I just happen to believe they are naive with billions of dollars at stake. I actually know one of the supporters of this movement and they love the organization arrangement and would love to be back in their position as a circuit overseer. They believe heavilythat thye organization is the way and the doctrines that is focused on control from the flock book is totally acceptable. So often I see the reform groups as another power structure. Money, prestige and power is at this focus. Why can’t people just go directly to God thru Christ? What is wrong with Christians accepting the simple words that I AM THE WAY from Jesus. John the 12:-17 is where he explains that there is no other way to God. The apostles later explained over and over again to the Jewish Christians that is they kept going back under the Sanhedrin (watchtower society and governing body) they were impaled Christ over again when they came back to him. If we are under the organization as the way to salvation then we have no Savior for they can’t save themselves let along us.

            • Marjo

              It is easier said than done. Governing body is manipulating its members minds so cleverly that they wont notice what is from bible and what is from their mouth. I cecked they had negative answer for reformers alredy. Governing body has blocked everything so their members cant even think differently. They cant read anything besides jw stuff. The only hope is in young witnesses whom surf online and I hope they will find the real truth and tell that forward. I dont know if its easier for those whom havent raised for witness.

  • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

    Marjo, hello. At the risk of sounding stupid LOL, do you understand this language?

    • Marjo

      Few worsds yes. It sounded like a mix of germandanishsweden. In India child abuse is worse. Not only in witnesses but in other people also. I just saw a headline from there how a baby was was victim of it. After that I saw red! I was so furious and sad how people can be monsters over there. Im sure Jehovah cant wait to get rid of all bad things in the world.

  • Marjo

    After I left JW’s in 2008, it took me 9 years to wash my mind from their doctrines. In these few years I have felt free from them. I don’t have to think Bibles word in their perspective as one and only truth. After I left I carried their books with me 7 years, till I threw them away. After doing that, I felt so much better. I felt like heavy weight from my shoulder vanished.

    Obviously their books and magazines have are so effective, that you won’t be able to see the REAL truth clearly.

    Then I wanted to stay as freelance for a while. Study the Bible myself. At first I was in Finnish support online group, but that didn’t give me what I was looking for. When I came across with Charles Taze Russell, I began to think. There must be something. I didn’t find Bible Students right away. I began to think in 2017 there must be a group with real truth. Then I found it. I am glad with it, because I feel spiritually stronger now. I was spiritually weak before this.

    I was weak in that way, when I saw witnesses in a same stores where I was I couldn’t even look at them. I wanted to run away. But now it has clearly turned totally opposite.

    I told about it in last Saturday testimony meeting when I was speaking with Stephen. I was in flea market, where I saw 2 witness brothers. When I was close to them, I heard clearly when brother said to another: “Let’s go away”. They did go far from me, but didn’t leave from the store right away. What did I do? I kept smiling for them 😀 lol. I didn’t show much fear anymore of their shunning.

    Another thing I have to tell, in witness times. When I was a witness, my brothers didn’t like it at all. I have 4 brothers, so I had a hard childhood..lol. They didn’t speak much to me. After I left witnesses It also turned better. My family is more united now. Me my mother and brothers. My brothers are not religious type at all. But there is more joy in my life now than before.

    • Ellis Green

      Forgive me for being nosey Marjo, but why did you leave WT? I’ve been fading for 2 years now and find Bible Students most refreshing!


      • Marjo

        When my mother left JWs first, no one didn’t support me. Then I faded away and emailed an elder I dont want to be a witness anymore. Second reason was that there was a sister who was pioneer, she had to know reasons why someone left the congregation. She also had to find out why I left. Elders did nothing for her. She also was blackmailing more money (20 000€) from my mothers husband who was her boss. Elders didnt do nothing. I guess I can say there was some sort of favorism also. Everyone should be equal, but that wasnt the case in that congregation. If you decide to leave you can simply write a letter so you dont have to face any elders. Thats what I did.

  • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

    I was sent this video of Lady C and JT, a former Bethelite. I have sons that told me the exact words in this video. The dynamics are critical and dire especially Black men within the organization.
    This video I was told explains better than any words what I have tried to convey.
    It is a question about race within the organization and I hope it explains why so many of your relatives, especially the men stay. Look at it in the love I present it, please.


  • Ellis Green

    Hi Peter,

    I’m so grateful to you for putting these helpful tips on here as I find them to be so positive and just what I need! After my 3 kids dropped out of JWs and my 2 daughters turned Pagan, as did their Mother. I was advised to pretend they were already dead as they won’t survive Armageddon! Talk about pre-judging! Then I heard about the ARC in Australia and how Jackson made a jackass of himself. Then The Guardian paper had an article on the UN connection. So I’m a “fader” as I hate fuss, and after researching Bible Students I’m amazed that I hadn’t heard that Students were still going! This site has been a HUGE help, Sis Jacqueline has been a Rock, others too. And I read The Dawn mag on their site and listen to Frank & Earnest. So refreshing all of this!

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