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Religious Trauma Syndrome [Should I stay or should I go now?]

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.A Message from Jacqueline

This article is about an organization and an entity called the governing body, not individual Jehovah witnesses or people but a SYSTEM a corporation.

Jehovah witnesses have asked me why expose and talk about the trials and troubles within the Jehovah witness organization? Why be concerned? Why help others? This is why we help. There is a stressor out there that has caused suicide, early death and families torn apart! There must be a platform for these Humans to talk it out, and someone who is listening. It is my belief that religious persecution by the witness organization on other Christians and ex members have produced:

Religious Trauma Syndrome

Religious Trauma Syndrome is the condition experienced by people who are struggling with leaving an authoritarian, dogmatic religion and coping with the damage of indoctrination. The benefits of doctrinal insights and zealous dedication are undermined by transferring allegiance from Jehovah to an organization that crushes Christian liberty. Some members struggle through the shattering of a personally meaningful faith and/or breaking away from a controlling community and lifestyle.  Religious Trauma Syndrome is a function of both the chronic abuses from harmful religion and the impact of severing one’s connection with one’s faith.  It can be compared to PTSD.

Religious Trauma Syndrome has a very recognizable set of symptoms, a definitive set of causes, and a debilitating cycle of abuse. There are ways to stop the abuse and recover.

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What Symptoms are evidence of Religious Trauma Syndrome?

  • Cognitive: Confusion, poor critical thinking ability, negative beliefs about self-ability & self-worth, black & white thinking, perfectionism, difficulty with decision-making
  • Emotional: Depression, anxiety, anger, grief, loneliness, difficulty with pleasure, loss of meaning
  • Social: Loss of social network, family rupture, social awkwardness, sexual difficulty, Arrested Psychological Development (being ‘stuck’ in an emotional level of development).
  • Cultural: Unfamiliarity with secular world; “fish out of water” feelings, difficulty belonging, information gaps (e.g. no knowledge of things outside of the witness community)

 

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.What contributes to Religious Trauma Syndrome?

Authoritarianism coupled with harsh theology which is received and reinforced at the kingdom hall, conventions, and home.  It results in:

  • Suppression of healthy child development – cognitive, social, emotional, moral stages are arrested
  • Damage to normal thinking and feeling abilities – information is limited and controlled; dysfunctional beliefs taught; independent thinking condemned; feelings condemned; normal familial love is abandoned and pressure to shun close family members breaking free.
  • An Exclusive Truth Source: only from the governing body; hierarchy of authority enforced; self not a reliable or good source;
  • Mental and sexual abuse: pedophiles thrive in this authoritative environment; unhealthy sexual views; punishment used for discipline; i.e., disfellowshipings; not allowing grandparents to interact with their grandchildren. Women and children on kept on the lowest run of the ladder.

What is the New Cycle of Abuse?

The cycle now is to send elders by the home or hospital to issue an edict that if you die in this window of time before impending Armageddon hits you will go to Gehenna.  One non baptized witness was in a nursing home with incurable cancer and was told this. She died 2 weeks later.  Another 82 year old sister hadn’t attended in 10 years but was visited and intimidated with the threat of death in Gehenna and many more insults since their Annual meeting of 2017.  Adult children are intimidating older parents and siblings that have left the organization.  Not answering text or phone calls, emotional abuse.

 

This results in an unending cycle of threats and verbal abuse often with shouting and threatening. You get relief when they leave. Then the elders show up again, they say to encourage you but in the same breath they are threatening sisters with death of their little children at Armageddon.  Salvation is not a free gift according to them; you must be in the organization.  Some are getting multiple visits within a week even on their job.

 

This is getting out of hand and some are going to lawyers to get a cease and desist letter. The governing body says they have fulfilled Matt. 24:14 and are preaching a message of judgement and studying only with those righteously disposed.  They are not raising their heads up because their deliverance is near.  They are in a panic and fearful!

 

In the Bible, do we see any evidence of this type of behavior by the Early Church at the time of the Apostles?

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Can this cycle of abuse be stopped?

You can stop the cycle of abuse, but leaving the witnesses is a “mixed blessing.” Letting go of the need to conform is a huge relief.  There is a sense of freedom, excitement about information and new experiences, new-found self-respect, integrity, and the sense of an emerging identity.

 

There are huge challenges as well. The psychological damage does not go away overnight.  In fact, because the phobia indoctrination in young childhood is so powerful that the fear of Gehenna and Armageddon can last a lifetime.  Encouraging articles linked here can help provide some emotional relief and comfort:

http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/category/armageddon-2/

I am reminded of the lyrics to the 1982 song by “The Clash”

Should I stay or should I go now?

If I go, there will be trouble

And if I stay it will be double

This is why there are so many thousands of walking wounded – people who have left a high control man made organizational religion and are living with Religious Trauma Syndrome.

The governing body says they are mentally diseased not realizing that…

Religious Trauma Syndrome mimics the symptoms of many other disorders –

  • post-traumatic stress disorder
  • clinical depression
  • anxiety disorders
  • bipolar disorder
  • obsessive compulsive disorder
  • borderline personality disorder
  • eating disorders
  • social disorders
  • marital and sexual dysfunctions
  • suicide
  • drug and alcohol abuse
  • extreme antisocial behavior, including homicide

There are many extreme cases, including child abuse of all kinds, suicide, rape, and murder. (http://www.silentlambs.org/murderjwfathers.htm) (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/family-found-dead-apparent-murder-suicide-article-1.1582545)

Not as extreme but also tragic are all the people who are struggling to make sense of life after being severely SHUNNED and losing their family and friends. Many who try to get help from the mental health profession cannot find a therapist who understands Religious Trauma Syndrome.  Their solution is to “just leave and forget about going to worship services with others.” But it is not that simple, is it?

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.How is this control happening?

We have in our society an assumption that highly organized religion is for the most part harmless or good for you. Therapists, like others, expect that if you stop believing, you just quit going to services, putting it in the same category as not believing in The Tooth Fairy.  Therapists often don’t understand fundamentalism. Religious fundamentalism refers to the belief of an individual or a group of individuals as the absolute authority of a sacred religious text or teachings. In this case the governing body must be obeyed without question. They say even if you can prove them wrong by scripture you must teach and believe what they say until they change it.  They even have a new song to them that states right or wrong follow them.  Gehenna is the penalty.  When did we ever see a concept like this in the Bible?  Can you sing that right or wrong you will follow the Governing Body?

 

Therapists do not realize what a complete mind-violation this really is and persons can’t just get over it.  They have been indoctrinated (the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically, without questioning.) The governing body is god to most witnesses.

 

In the United States, we have a bill of rights, our freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion. This makes it extremely difficult to address a debilitating disorder like Religious Trauma Syndrome without it threatening these rights. Raising questions about toxic beliefs and abusive practices in religion seems to be violating a taboo.  No one wants to be pointing fingers for fear of tampering with our precious freedoms.  In the meantime people are fighting to mentally break this mind control that the governing body has used for so long, threats of death at Armageddon with their minor children dying because a parent left the witnesses.

 

Sanitizing hierarchy, high control religion makes it all the more insidious when it is toxic. (A system or organization in which people or groups are ranked one above the other according to status or authority.  A pecking order, ladder climbing, inclusiveness.)

 

For example, small children are biologically dependent on their adult caretakers; built into their survival mechanisms is a need to trust authority just to stay alive.  Religious teachings take hold easily in their underdeveloped brains while the adults who are controlled keep tight control on the children. This continues generation after generation.  Millions of witnesses learn to value self-loathing, never being able to do enough and fear Armageddon.  It’s difficult to break this cycle!

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Where can I find help now?

Awareness is growing about the dangers of religious indoctrination.  There are more and more websites to support the growing number of people fleeing harmful religions.  Gradually, services are growing to help people with Religious Trauma Syndrome to heal and grow, including help from this website which attempts to offer spiritual healing and encouragement for witnesses with international testimony sessions that you can join by internet, as well as articles to read and call in Bible study groups.  By discussing their experiences with other likeminded people, each one can understand what the other has been through and each of us can take steps to become healthier and happier human beings.

http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2017/11/09/testimony-meeting/

http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2017/11/08/feb-6-wed-new-study-join-us-the-time-is-at-hand-volume-2-of-studies-in-the-scriptures/

 

So feel free to open up and talk.  You are safe among friends.  Let others know what you are going through and how you are coping.  Together we can work on freeing each one from the shock, pain and trauma, moving it further to the back of your brain and mind.

96 comments to Religious Trauma Syndrome [Should I stay or should I go now?]

  • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

    Well finally they are printing articles indicating it was the shunning that caused the murder suicide by Lauren Stuart- a witness. They haven’t revealed the contents of the her long letter she left. Latest update;
    https://nypost.com/2018/02/21/woman-shunned-by-jehovahs-witnesses-kills-entire-family-cops/

  • greg (Bible Student)

    Article Fully Explores jw.org Child Abuse in Canada and Worldwide

    JW Suicides youtube video link:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXyueaLFW-Q

    Link to actual article entitled: “Jehovah’s Witnesses cover-up”
    http://www.ucobserver.org/justice/2018/01/jw/

    Synopsis:
    Canadian survivors of childhood sexual abuse are coming forward to reveal how their church failed them — and protected their predators
    By Kristy Woudstra

    In the article, a man who is simply called “Mark” (not his real name of course) describes what it was like for him while working in the legal department of the Canadian Bethel. “Mark” gives eyewitness testimony to the the things he had to deal with and the way things are mishandled.

    (begin quote)
    “Mark estimates he saw about 24 cases of childhood sexual abuse from across the country each year.”
    . . .
    “Mark* points out that neither Bethel staff nor the elders had training in even the basics of abuse-victim psychology. He didn’t realize “that survivors will still feel guilt — and that’s not to be interpreted that they were complicit in it.” He recalls a case where a woman started crying and apologizing about the incident. “We took that as a sign of guilt, that it was a consensual act. . . . [The case] was dismissed simply because of that. I didn’t know any better at the time.””
    (end quote)

    Towards the end of it, the article states, “But the impact of abuse is a life sentence.”

    While the article talks specifically about sexual abuse, I would like to take a moment and attest to the fact that OTHER KINDS OF ABUSE ALSO have an impact that can last a lifetime.

    When I was a child, part of how I personally “coped” with all the fallout from the physical, verbal and emotional abuse I experienced in addition to the trauma of sexual abuse, was to live a “risky” and self-injurious life. I eventually learned that this is now regarded as fairly typical behaviour for someone who has experienced abuse and trauma.

    The words “risky and self-injurious” mean: I cared little about what happened to me, had no concerns about personal safety, had little regard for personal danger, cared little about my health, and only endeavoured to seek to please others regardless of the personal cost or risk. As a teen I was clumsy, and came to be known as a dare-devil, and as fearless. While all children are clumsy to some degree, clumsiness that is excessive, chronic, pervasive, or extreme (as in life-and death consequential) is recognized as a commonly seen aftermath pattern in cases of abuse. As clumsy as I was, I would avoid seeking medical attention even for very serious injuries or illnesses. As a teen I would deliberately inflict cuts, bruises, burns, and other wounds upon myself. I would attempt to starve myself, dehydrate myself, and get into fights I couldn’t possibly win. As an adult, taking on the role of a husband, father, and provider, I allowed myself to be exploited constantly, and I often found myself compliantly working in very dangerous, very hazardous, and very unhealthy environments without adequate protection, and without daring to refuse or even complain, without caring enough about myself to quit and look for alternative employment, and this poor choice in self-care eventually caused me serious, permanent, and irreparable nerve damage.

    Worst of all was the guilt and shame I carried almost all of my life. I carried the shame the rightfully belonged to others. I paid the price for their actions. I apologized for them. I forgave them and blamed myself. I tried to punish myself. Out of a fear of shame I bore the pain and kept the secrets of my pain to try and protect those that hurt and abused me.

    Abuse OF ANY KIND is harmful in many deep, personal, long-lasting, and commonly mis-diagnosed ways.

    If you’ve been abused in any way at any time in your life, seek help. When you break the secrecy and silence, you also end the shame. While healing certainly has it’s challenging moments, you’ll never fully realize how much impact trauma and abuse have had until you start to unravel the puzzle of your life. When you finally get to the point in your life where you can look back upon all the pain without hurting quite so deeply anymore, when you can finally talk freely about your past pain and trauma and you kind of begin finding it boring to discuss, you will feel so liberated, so full of life, so re-connected to God and to other human beings that you’ll be amazed at how much relief you can experience.

    The painful memories and other impacts don’t ALL go away completely and forever. There always seem to be other new little triggers and reminders from time to time, but I can confidently predict that they really and truly do diminish in severity and frequency as you gain experience with integrating them into the puzzle of yourself.

    Much love and empathy to all who have suffered,
    -greg

  • greg (Bible Student)

    New Research Shows Danger of Not Leaving Religion When You Want To

    Article is dated: 07 Feb 2018

    http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/new-research-shows-danger-not-leaving-religion-want

    Opening snippet:

    New Study Shows Disturbing Trend In Mental Health

    New research published in the journal Society and Mental Health suggests that sticking to a religion you have doubts about could cause the feeling of depression and hopelessness.
    . . .

    See the link above for more information.

    -greg

  • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

    Another senseless family murder because if shunning.

    http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/friend-blames-religion-for-keego-harbor-familys-murder-suicide

    http://www.nigeriatoday.ng/2018/02/jehovahs-witness-refused-blood-transfusion-for-his-pregnant-wife-till-she-died/

    story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/19/keego-harbor-jehovahs-witness-mom-triple-murder-suicide/351559002

    • greg (Bible Student)

      Isn’t the murder-suicide sad and tragic?

      Joyce Taylor, who was interviewed, was a friend of the family and the news report said this:

      “Joyce says Lauren Stuart confided in her often and most of those conversations had to do with the pain caused by the separation with the church. “The church, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, they were hog wild after them, just brutal,” she said.”

      Jehovah’s Witnesses really do take their shunning seriously, don’t they? I’ve seen, witnessed, and experienced just how brutal their kind of love is. The word “zealot” comes to mind as appropriate. That’s what you can expect from an organization that tells you to chuck you compassion and critical thinking skill in the waste basket, and to simply “obey any instructions [they] may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.” (Watchtower 2013, Nov. 15, pg20)

      Let’s hope and pray for them. Perhaps the scales will yet and soon fall from their eyes.

      Romans 10:1-4 “Brethren, my heart’s desire and my supplication to God is for them, that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believeth.”

      (I would have liked to watch the video at the top of the page, but I couldn’t get it to load. Not sure why. Did anyone else view it? Was it the actual interview with Joyce Taylor?)

      Love and condolences to all who are in pain over this event, and the other one Jacqueline mentioned, and the numerous other events like these.
      -greg

    • greg (Bible Student)

      I found a working link of the video of Joyce Taylor speaking out at the Kingdom Hall.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404467/Woman-killed-husband-2-adult-kids-killing-herself.html

      Several times she says, “DO NOT TOUCH ME!” as the elders attempt a hands on approach to removing her. I’m sure there were an awful lot of really powerful emotions and tensions in that room.

      Comments elsewhere on the internet echo this same sentiment: “They had chosen to leave their Jehovah’s Witness church, which requires that remaining church families shun them. But their church went even farther, harassing and smearing the family, making their lives miserable.”

      When asked by FOX2, “Would you blame religion?” Joyce Taylor replied, “Yes absolutely, 100 percent.”

      Other news reports are even listing other similar related cases involving shunning-prompted murder-suicide. They are drawing attention to the extremely painful things which Jehovah’s Witnesses feel justified in doing under the label of obedience to the shunning mandate.

      -greg

      • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

        Greg I got in touch with the detective on the day it happened and gave him more deaths similar to this one. Hopefully a clever reporter will connect the dots.
        Una sent this updated video of the kingdom hall friend speaking.

        Watch “In memory of Dan & Lauren Stuart and their two children Steven and Bethany” on YouTube
        https://youtu.be/xBJ0siVgDkE

        https://www.google.com/amp/amp.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/keego-harbor-mom-who-killed-family-and-self-remembered-as-quirky-happy#ampshare=http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/keego-harbor-mom-who-killed-family-and-self-remembered-as-quirky-happy

        • greg (Bible Student)

          Did you read some of the youtube comments?

          Here’s a sampling:

          * “So they’ll call the police when someone stands on a chair but not when a child gets molested by a member of the congregation?? priorities.”

          * “”Sorry about the interruption” – a few people killed themselves thanks to our shunning policy, so what right? These elders surrounding this brave lady are not real christians, they don’t care for the victims. All they want is to keep a clean image and get on with their meeting!”

          * “Have you ever notice that when people do these kind congration crashing the members never look surprised. You have some that look embarrassed, angry or put their heads down, but they never look surprised? It makes you wonder what spirit is truly guiding this organization. The GB preaches standing up in boldess” Keep you integrity” But the elders cancelled the meeting because someone – one lone woman spoke up.Isn’t that a strange reaction??”

          There are plenty more comments than these, and more being added constantly.

          Jacqueline, maybe you and Barbara Anderson will soon being getting together to do some more interviews. Maybe Trey Bundy will pick this one up.

          Just thinking, you know, it only took one bullet to trigger World War I…

          -greg

    • Marjo

      And they say they are the most loving religion on earth………..Oh dear…….There is no words for all of that sorrow what peopel are suffering because of that. I have the feeling that someone will sue Jehovah witnesses for that and that is the end of the religion…If that kind of killings happen again.

  • Marjo

    Proverbs 2:1,2

    My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself,

    so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment;

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    It is good to read Proverbs whole chapter 2. But I wanted to higlight only verses 1 and 2.

    Discernment is what we need almost every day. Wisdom with your ear when it comes to Governing body. Don’t let them hypnotize your mind with their thoughts. Whatever they say it is always good to pray guidance from Jehovah.

  • greg (Bible Student)

    Marjo,

    I truly love the passionate simplicity with which you speak. Well said indeed!!

    I add my words not because your words were in any way lacking, but because your words evoke in me memories of how I teetered, sitting on the fence, paralyzed, confused, unable to muster the courage to trust my own eyes, ears, feelings, memories, thoughts, and discernment. I suspect that many others may be stuck like I was for many years, keeping one foot in the canoe and one foot on the dock, unsure of myself, unsure of where I might go but desperately uncomfortable about staying in the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization.

    One thing is certain: You are not leaving Jehovah by leaving the Watchtower organization. If anything, you are taking a courageous stand FOR Jehovah by no longer being part of the God-Dishonoring Organization that Watchtower has become under the leadership of mere MEN who call themselves God’s Faithful Slave.

    Mark 7:6-9 And he said unto them, Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoreth me with their lips, But their heart is far from me. But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men. Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men. And he said unto them, Full well do ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your tradition.

    2 Corinthians 10:18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.

    In Jonathan Kirsch’s book entitled, “The Grand Inquisitor’s Manual: A History of Terror in the Name of God,” he writes on page 247:

    “…sometimes we do not know the difference between an authentic threat and an imaginary one until it is too late.”

    I thoroughly enjoyed this poignant book. Rather than try and describe WHY, I’ll just paste in here a few quotes from it.

    Does this quote from Page 238 remind you anyone?
    “What Hitler and Stalin had in common was the same aspiration that animated the first inquisitors—the simple but deadly notion that it was both possible and desirable to rid the world of anyone whom the regime deemed to be unworthy of life. Significantly, Hitler, Stalin, and Pope Innocent III all used the word filth to apply to a different set of victims, but each saw himself as the ordained agent of purification, each arrogated to himself the absolute power to decide who lived and died, and each was convinced of both the rightness and the inevitability of his role in history.”

    Page 9:
    “So, too, did the Inquisition teach its successors how to use language to conceal their crimes and, at the same time, to inspire terror in their victims. Just as the inquisitors used the ornate Latin phrase judicium secularum (secular justice) to refer to torture on the rack and the wheel—and just as autoda-fé (act of the faith) came to signify burning at the stake—mass murder in the Soviet Union was called “liquidation” and the extermination of six million Jews by Nazi Germany was called “the Final Solution.””

    What kinds of crimes are concealed and what kinds of terrors are inspired by the words and phrases the Governing Body constantly (mis)uses: “mentally diseased,” “apostate,” “remaining loyal by remaining silent,” “our spiritual paradise,” “evil slave,” “love,” “disfellowship,” “Governing,” “Body,” and many, many more?

    Can we include the Governing Body and the Watchtower Organization in this excerpt from Page 215:
    “Both the Inquisition and the Nazi regime were fearful of any idea or practice that fell outside the narrow circle of dogma; thus, for example, both turned their attention to Freemasons, homosexuals, and Jews, among other victims. Both were obsessed with their self-appointed mission of imposing a rigid authoritarian order on an unruly world, always putting “the C’s with the C’s.” Tragically, the similarities do not stop there.”

    And doesn’t this quote from Page 138 sum up the Governing Body’s definition of what constitutes apostasy?
    “…the inquisitors sought to enforce the theological monopoly of the Church as a matter of realpolitik, and the Inquisition objected to the Beguines and the Beghards less because they were dangerous heretics than because they submitted themselves to “no Rule and no authority from the Holy See.””

    How much evidence do we need to witness and experience before we can allow ourselves to give more weight, credibility, and authority to it than to the mere words of terror that the self-appointed inquisitors (they call themselves the Governing Body) are using to influence us to deny, reject, and ignore all the overwhelming evidence?

    I echo the words I quoted at the outset but this time I make them my own. Sometimes we do not know the difference between an authentic threat and an imaginary one until it is too late.

    Take courage all you who are waiting and waiting and waiting for Jehovah to take action. Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-16, “When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand), then let them that are in Judæa flee unto the mountain.”

    Jehovah is waiting for YOU to take action, waiting for YOU to use YOUR discernment, waiting for YOU to recognize the REAL danger and to flee to the mountains.

    But isn’t it a wee bit scary in the mountains?

    Perhaps. But I do know the immediate and greater and very real danger is to remain in the Watchtower city while it’s “enemies” are being allowed by God to set up their camps all around it. Get out of her, my people, while you still can, if you do not want to share with her in her plagues. (Rev. 18:4)

    -greg (a former waiter, and now a fellow escapee)

    • Marjo

      Somehow I have always thought that Governing body is like a Hitler in a different form. And being a member of it is like being in a concentration camp. Most are still trapped in there, but they don’t have enough encourage to leave.

      That’s why I write, because I feel that there are some whom are reading, but needs more encouraging to act.

      • Richard Tazzyman

        Dear sister Marjo,So good to hear your voice today on our Australian site.Your English was very good.We would love you to join us again.May Jehovah bless you & your family

      • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

        Marjo I have written about that and the district, circuit and some elders being the gestapo agents. Hitler would not have been able to do the Holocaust if every man in his ruling body had turned against him and brought him down. They actually did the deeds of murder of millions. It was said that some of the men enjoyed the torture and killing.
        So, who are the men that stay elders, circuit overseer etc after they know what is going on. The child molestation, the gross mistreatment of so many with their judicial committees, shunning and total destruction of families. What makes these men not stand up as men against this governing body. It can’t be fear because the governing body does not have any power in any country on this entire Earth. I sincerely hope they don’t enjoy this reign of terror that they inflict on poor innocent people looking to learn about God.
        Witnesses seem not to be aware that no one cares about disfellowshipping but this small insular group. Perhaps if they would mingle with other people without the “I am superior” attitude because I have the truth, they would see we are all in the same boat. None of us are anymore superior than our neighbor. We all die and rot and are all captives on this spaceship earth.
        Death, the great equalizer puts us all at Calgary, The RANSOM and Jesus. Every man, woman and child that has ever lived are equal and free in Christ.
        So the Hitler like governing body with it’s gestapo are all too subject to the cross.

    • Marjo

      If you need help to translation help for something from that jw-leaks site I gave, I will help.

  • Marjo

    Proverbs 29:25
    Trembling at men is what lays a snare, but he that is trusting in Jehovah will be protected.

    There is no reason why we should not be afraid of Governing body, or elders of Jehovah witnesses. Their words are empty, whatever they say against us whom want to leave. Jehovah is there for us and supporting us. We just have to trust him and pray for His support every day.

    • Ellis Green

      So true! Well said Marjo!

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Marjo I also agree with you on this. I think we should listen to all of our “brains”. The heart and gut are just as impoertant in making decisions.
      Our gut feeling tell us that there is something wrong with the governingbody living in palaces and insisting nobody interprete scripture but them. Our heart talks to God in the name of our saviour Jesus Christ. Our brain sometimes processes only what an authority figure tells us so we have to listen to all of our body. I would cringe when I read things in the watchtower saying “even if you can prove us wrong by scripture, you have to teach it until the governing body changes it”. You gasp when you hear them agreeing with it during watchtower, so there is a part of us that recognizes narcissian in those men. We have dropped the fear of them and escaped to Christ.

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