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War in Heaven – Michael The Archangel verses the Dragon

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels” (Revelation 12:7).

Those who have studied the Book of Revelation will recognize this familiar phrase, “War in Heaven,” from the 12th chapter. It is a fascinating chapter and there have been various interpretations of the symbols used.  The passage to be considered reads as follows: “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought, (8) and prevailed not; nor was their place found any more in heaven. (9) And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent, who is called the Deceiver, and Satan, who seduceth all the inhabited world: he was cast upon the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (10) And I heard a great voice in heaven, which said: Now is there

deliverance, and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the dominion of his Messiah: because the Accuser of our brethren is cast out, who accused them day and night before our God. (11) And they overcame him, because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony: and they loved not their life, even to death. (12) Therefore, be joyful, O heaven, and ye that dwell there.  Woe to the earth, and to the sea; for the Deceiver hath come down to you, being in great wrath since he knoweth that his time is short” (Revelation 12:7-12).

One common interpretation of this passage suggests that it refers Papacy’s ascent to power. The war waged is not in the literal heaven where God dwells, but in the ecclesiastical heavens, the power of religious control at the time. The warring parties are said to be Rome, pictured by the dragon, and Papacy, pictured by Michael.  The name Michael means “Who as God.” Papacy’s falsely claimed to speak as God as it ascended to power over the Roman Empire in the 4th century. The Roman Empire then was

transformed into the Holy Roman Empire with the Pope exercising a great controlling interest.

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13 comments to War in Heaven – Michael The Archangel verses the Dragon

  • Peter K. (admin)

    Bret,

    Excellent comments and questions. I have been working some overtime lately and it me take a few days to answer. I think you will find most of these points addressed in that attachment at this link below.

    http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2013/07/03/who-is-michael-the-archangel/

  • Ashley Nave

    The name Immanuel means God Is With Us! The name Michael corresponds with Immanuel which means Who is like God? So Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Look at el at the end of the two names, it would make accurate sense that Jesus is Michael,both names have “el” in them.

  • Ashley Nave

    Christ Jesus is Michael the archangel. Michaels name means Who is like God. Immanuel corresponds to Michael which means With Us Is God! Research Hebrew name meaningd and compare them.

  • I believe yes this is Miguel Jesus Christ in heaven after all there is some greater than Jesus Angel? believe that Jehovah would give this mission to expel Satan from heaven another angel but his Son? Yes Jesus is the same miguel archangel.

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  • Dupin

    Here are all the the texts which mention Michael the “Chief Prince” by name in the Bible Keepha:

    Dan_10:13 The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I was left there with the kings of Persia,

    Dan_10:21 But I will tell you what is inscribed in the book of truth: there is none who contends by my side against these except Michael, your prince.

    Dan_12:1 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.

    Jud_1:9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

    Rev_12:7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back,

    As you can see, all of the OT occurrences are in the book of Daniel and he is always presented as at the top echelons as far as power is concerned. In Daniel 12 we are told that he is “the Great Prince, who has charge over your people” who “will arise” on behalf of God’s people. Who could that be but the Lord Jesus Christ acting on God’s behalf to deliver in the great time of trouble? Jude’s citation also shows the remarkable humility of Michael, also a quality which points to him being our Lord. The conclusion may not be ironclad, but that is where the scriptures lead when taken in total.

    Dupin
    Sorry about some of the errors from typing, etc.

    • Bret (B.S)

      Peter;

      Peter I would like to get your thoughts on a couple things that have always bothered me with the belief that “Micheal the ArchAngel” is presumed to be Jesus Christ..

      As I usually do, I like to challenge or test each and every doctrine (1Jo 4:1, Acts 17:11)

      Like the Apostle John encouraged us to test every spirit and the Boreans were said to search the scriptures daily to see if they fit…

      I would like to lay out several questions to test this doctrine and get the thoughts of any who would like to comment and include their thoughts…

      1) The reasoning on this matter reminds me of the reasoning of the nominal church’s on the doctrine of Christology… they take many scriptures where Jesus preforms the work of God as his Agent and conclude that Jesus is God….

      Example;
      Zech 14:5 ….And Jehovah my God will certainly come, all the holy ones being with him
      Rev 1:8 8 “I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty”

      These events are also applied to Christ “Coming with his holy ones or holy Angels”, yet we are able to reason and see that Jesus is Gods agent and carries out this divine work… These are just a few of the many scriptures that present such questions..

      2) Just as Jesus never claimed to be God he Never claimed to be Micheal the Archangel….

      The Bible tells us that Jesus is coming with his holy angels and therefore why do we not reason that Micheal a high ranking Angel is nothing more than Christ agent working out the task that is credited to Christ…

      3) Hebrews 1:13 But as to which of the angels has he ever said “Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies the footstool for your feet”?

      This clearly indicates that No angel at any time was ever told to sit at Gods right hand… In fact it is laboring to tell us that No Angel at anytime was ever invited to such a position…

      4) Jesus was given a name above all names and to him every knee should bend (Phil 2:9)… So why would Jesus revert to a name lower than the one given to him?

      I have reviewed over 20 Bible translations and the consensus among all the scholars seems to be that Daniel 10:13 “Michael, one of the chief princes”. There are no indications that he is the only one of this position…

      5) Why not state that possibly Christ could be “Micheal”, and not make it a doctrine that I believe puts us in a position like those who make Christ out to be God could we not be making him out to be something less than what he is?

      Does not Hebrews chapter 1 and 2 indicate that Angels are for the purpose of public servants created in otherwords to serve Adam and the human race… Inferior to man had Adam and his offspring maintaned integrity?

      The reasoning on this matter seems to be just like christendom and how they reason on Christ being God when i think Micheal is an Angel that is nothing more than an agent used by Christ and one of his Holy Angels…

      • Bret (B.S)

        Looking at all the comments here on this post it reminds me of Trinitarians and their arguments posed for Christ being the “Almighty”,

        In fact Thomas called Jesus “My God” in the 20th chapter of John and yet we are able to reason through such scriptures, because Jesus never professed to be God.. Just like he never claimed to be Micheal or an Angel for that matter…

        It seems this is a doctrine on shakey ground and perhaps even putting us at danger of making Christ something lesser than what he is…

        • jeffmezera

          Bret,

          I answer some (if not most) of these questions in a talk I recently gave on this subject in Revelation 12.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmsX5kqbFQk

          In the talk I point out that there are several inconsistencies I point out in trying to identify the woman as Mary or even the child as Christ. The dragon in the context is specifically called Satan, while at the same time it is tied in the symbols of governmental powers taken from Daniel’s prophecy. In the first half of the talk I chose not to identify what is being spoken about. I simply pour through the clues and symbols given in the text, review how the text identifies it in the chapter and elsewhere in Revelation and then make an attempt for the chapter to interpret itself historically verse by verse. I made an attempt to let the symbols of the text point to the interpretation of the chapter. I was surprised (and several others that I’ve shared this with), that much of the interpretation of the chapter is given historically in the early church BY the early Church. Eusebius mentions the chapter and its interpretation in his Ecclesiastical history.

          It isn’t an exact science though. Since I gave this a couple of months ago I have already changed my mind on the flood (at the end of the chapter) based on evidence from the next chapter.

          Let me know what you think and if it might answer some of the questions you posed.

          I don’t think that those who interpret Michael as Jesus in Daniel 12 and other places (not here in Revelation 12) are stating that Jesus has the same nature as angels after his death and resurrection. As for Jesus’ nature now, it is definitely NOT angelic. We know he is like the Father since he has ascended to his right hand.

          • Bret (B.S)

            I will certainly check out the video…

            Something that stands out in my mind though!!

            I read and hear over and over that the word Angel can and sometimes does refer to someone simply in the capacity of a messenger.
            Certainly thos is true…

            But in Hebrews 1:13 it is clearly in reference not to Human messengers but is in reference to the Angelic creatures in heaven….
            And it clearly states that at no time did God ever tell one of them to sit at his right hand..
            Jesus did in fact tell some that he was the Messiah…
            But Jesus never proffessed to be an Angel or Micheal the ArchAngel for that matter..

            And when I say Angel I am speaking specificaly about those creatures created in heaven and refered to as Angels in the Bible…

            This is clearly no different than the reasoning by the nominal churches that lead them to the conclusion that Jesus is Jehovah… And I could lay down a list much longer than the one listed in behalf of Micheal being Jesus hat leads manny to think wrongly and conclude wrongly…

            Does it not seem as though this is risky and dangerous ground to perhaps demote Jesus to a position possibly beneath him just as the churches elevate Jesus to a diety position?

            Nowhere does Jesus ever claim to be such…

            • Bret (B.S)

              I have seen arguments posed by Socian unitarians that pose a very good question about Jesus even having a pre-existance…

              These arguments cover John 1:1, Col 1:15-19, Phil 2:5-9, John 17:5 and a couple other text that we read a preexistance into…

              But the question that still puzzles me is with regards to Christ Humanity and his being the 2nd Adam…

              How does Christ Anti-date the 1st Adam?

              Is Jesus a Hybred powerful angel/human?

              If he is a bi-man or Hybred prexisting how does he qualify as Adams equal?

              The Greek work “Genesis” means to come into existance and was the same word used in chapter 5 of Genesis with regards to Adam as it was in regards to Jesus Luke 1:35?

              This is a real touchy subject and when you add to this the idea that Jesus is known as an Angel named Micheal even after his resurrection in the book of Daniel it concerns my conscience and reminds me of the reasoning of the nominal churches

              • Bret (B.S)

                Brothers and sisters;

                I am not posing these question for any reason but to clarify many questions that I ponder.. in the Watchtower Organization i was not allowed to openly ask questions and look at and also reason on good logic and questions…

                I often refered to the synoptic Gospels (Matt, Mark, and Luke) for the simple fact that Jesus never considered himself to be God or ever said that he was… So when I consider the Micheal subject I cannot help but to look to Jesus and see what he said in regards to this topic.. And thats a big fat “0”…. He never touched it and none of the Bible writers ever stated the Jesus was Micheal… this is a red flag to me….

      • Peter K. (admin)

        Bret,

        Again, I think the attachment at this link addresses most of your points.

        http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2013/07/03/who-is-michael-the-archangel/

        Let me summarize a relevant key point from that study.

        “Angel” is a job description, meaning “messenger.” These messengers can be human beings, however this job description is mostly applied in the Bible to the “spirits” or “spirit being” that God created through Jesus. Not to be confused with the gnostic view of spirits. Just like people have human bodies, so angels have spirit bodies.

        Human beings and spirits can have a variety of job descriptions. However in terms of how God uses spirits for mankind, it has usually been as messengers, hence the Bible commonly refers to these spirits in their roll as messenger, translated angel.

        God’s top or chief “messenger” above all other spirit beings has always been Jesus, hence it is correct to refer to Jesus as God’s chief messenger, translated archangel. There is only one archangel. That is why he is called arch or chief.

        Malachi 3:1 (NKJV) “Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says the Lord of hosts.”

        Here Jesus is clearly called a messenger (same Hebrew as angel)

        Jesus is known to us by many titles, many of which he never personally identified himself as.

        Mark 8:29-30 (NKJV) “He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter answered and said to Him, “You are the Christ.” Then He strictly warned them that they should tell no one about Him.”

        I think Jesus did not want to publically announce he was Messiah as his miracles spoke for themselves and to announce publically he was Messiah would be used by religious leaders to label Jesus as delusional. How much more so if he announced he was the archangel?

  • Keepha

    Jesus is not Mikhael, as can be demonstrated from the Koine-Judeo Greek Text.

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