The human psyche, unfortunately, lends itself to all sorts of unreasoned loyalties. Loyalty to groups and loyalty to ideas are two examples. Consider the extreme emotional bonds people can have for their football team, basketball team, etc. Would any of them ever ask what the point of it was?
In a similar fashion, people develop unreasoned loyalties to doctrines and practices they have been taught. Such attachments very often take on the form of religious zeal. We thus end up with religions within religions. Christianity is by no means exempt.
The doctrine of the Trinity is one of the strong examples.
For instance, there are a number of verses that are generally considered cornerstone in support of the Trinity. However, when those verses are subjected to scrutiny and compared to unequivocal verses demonstrating the true apostolic teaching, those verses are shown to be not so cornerstone after all.
If a person clears his or her mind of all the filters placed there by “normal Christianity”, and reads the Bible as it was written, with fresh eyes, wonderful things spring out. If you start with the Bible and let it speak to you, as opposed to starting with doctrines from denominations, church councils, etc., and looking for verses that can be used to support them, you will be amazed.
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I found this sweet man on YouTube making videos just to explain: The Trinity as being False.
Channel: The Trinity Delusion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gvsLBl3m4E
Sanura generally those visiting this website don’t believe in the trinity. We have had many long discussions on here with a few that believe in it. Those conversations are posted after each article. If persons want to hold to that doctrine it is no different than holding to Hellfire doctrine or the witnesses armageddon doctrine and that only those associated with their organization will be survivors. If their church teaches it people tend to stick with it no matter what is said. You have a great understanding of Jehovah being separate and distinct from his son.
I try to convince myself and let trinitarians be free as long as they dont impose their doctrine on me. We are covering that subject on Wednesday study now to see why they introduced the doctrine from scriptures. The link i gave has a whole page on the scriptural view of why jehovah God isnt a triune god.
Thank you for all your help. The YouTube and Website Link I posted about the Trinity being False; it looks like it is made by a Bible Student, too funny. It is a fantastic website on the Trinity Subject! I sent many people to your link here for helpful answers on Trinity. I even see some JW leaving and following this teaching now. I cant believe all I found on the subject, its like a huge mess online and with JW too! So many people are completely confused. 🙁
Great work Sanura. Why would witnesses be confused about the trinity? They dont believe in the trinity. Was it that they couldn’t explain why?
Dear Brethren and Sistren:
I can not believe how many believe in the Trinity. I am having a hard time trying to give one good answer to help others understand it as false. I see many online just give up and only quote scriptures back and forth over and over agin until both sides are exhausted.
So is there anyone that can help me come up with a simple solution to this answer that would help open their eyes to better understand and then not have to just quote scriptures back and forth at each other. I just feel like there is a simple solution and I am just not there yet.
So I wrote this out below, I know it is not perfect. So can anyone help me so I have a good answer that I can just copy and paste and use it over and over again to help more people online and faster. Then I can leave it in comments under YouTube videos and stuff like that. So that when people read it, it will help open their minds up.
Even if they don’t believe that is their choice. But I would love to help have some main points that at least help them think more deeply on it. I also want to have a quick response; because I know the internet is here just to get Gods message sent worldwide at a faster rate. 🙂
Thank you so much. So this is what I wrote and I know it needs to be better, thanks for all help!!
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My Trinity Answer:
The God Almighty will never lie. If God Almighty tells of his name in scripture, his name would be the same at the beginning as in the end; eternal and never ever changing.
God Almighty name is Yahweh (Jehovah / Latin) God first created Humans and the Earth with his Son, who was God Almighty first creation, as we know him to be Jesus Christ; Gods First Son (Yeshua / Latin) Gods first creation and made him in all his likeness so they may act as one together and powerful.
But Jesus will never have all the ultimate power his father God Almighty Yahweh has, and he tells us teaching us that in scripture over and over again. God Almighty does not have two sides to any one story. There is only one story and if we take Jesus to replace God Almighty Jehovah then we are all liars.
God Almighty is never changing ever.
He is the most high and most powerful and everything else is created, made through him and he uses his Active Force; Holy Spirit in all the world and in the heavens. All his force comes through which that he creates; and it is not a person, it is all the God Almighty force of action.
All the Angels in heaven powers are worked through using Gods Holy Spirit; Gods active force, an energy force that creates all things.
God Almighty never pays for the sins on any, person, power, entity, or being; for all creation comes directly from him.
Jesus says he was sent by his Father. Jesus and Jehovah are both not liers. They never have two sides to a story. Their words can not mean one thing and yet another. There is only one holy truth.
Jehovah knows all outcomes of everything. God Almighty planned for Jesus to come be our savior.
We can not have the Son Of God also be the Mighty God if the scriptures tell us he is the SON OF GOD only.
God does not trick all his followers into believing two truths then combining them into the Trinity which is NOT in the scriptures anywhere.
The Trinity was made up, and in the 4th Century the Roman Catholic Church too for Political reasons pushed it all; not for Biblical reasons; nor proven by any scripture.
Then Gods name was replaced in the scriptures and scriptures changed with their wording on who he truly is, our God The Almighty and The All Powerful. The Alpha and The Omega. For no one comes except through him only.
God Almighty will never pay for humanly sin.
That is the entire reason why the sacrifice of the animals was being taught in Biblical times and scriptures; before Jesus was to come and sacrifice his life to save all of humankind.
It was to prepare us to understand we must make sacrifices to God Almighty for our sins.
We pay the price, not our God The Almighty Creator. It is never ever the other way around!
God Almighty has no reason to sacrifice himself for us when he created us all.
God could just wipe us out for not listening and not pay the dues of our sins! But he is a God of deep LOVE.
God had Jesus teach us everything we needed to know on earth.
Jesus taught us through God Almighty, not as the God Almighty.
Jesus never says that he is God Almighty. Jesus calls God Yahweh his father. Jesus does not lie. Jesus has deep love and respect always for his father. But we have to ask ourselves this, Do We??
The Tetragrammaton appears in the Hebrew texts over 6,800 times and is transliterated as Yahweh (Jehovah / Latin)
Christ is from the Greek Khristos and its meaning is the same as the Hebrew Mashiahh (Messiah) and means Anointed One.
Hebrew Yeshua or Yhohshua which means Salvation of Jehovah.
Salvation = deliverance (set free) from sin
Psalm 2:7; I will declare and decree; Yahweh hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; I this day has begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I will give thee nations for an inheritance, and for thy possession the ends of the earth.
Hello Sanura and welcome. Now everybody can digest your comment and add or take away from what you have pulled together on the subject of the trinity.
Also for those looking on here is a link for more on the Biblical view of the trinity: I like the one on whether belief in the trinity dishonors God?
https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/category/trinity/
I will bow out and let the crowd talk. Take Care Sanura hope to see you on the Wednesday night study again.
Christ Jesus is the likeness of his father Jehovah at Colossians 1:15. It brings out that Jehovah God and Chris Jesus has similar qualities and personalities including traits. Michael means Who Is Like God? Immanuel means God Is With Us! Matthew Chapter One explains things clearly. Christ Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Mighty God, the true Messiah. Jehovah God is Almighty God and he created Christ Jesus. Christ Jesus and Jehovah God are not the same individuals. Jehovah is the true God at Deuteronomy 7:9. The holy spirit is Jehovahs active force and same Holy Spirit described at Genesis Chapters 1-2.
The Trinity (false) Doctrine – the fleshly view of describing the divine nature. Any fleshly view will lead to inaccurate and false conclusions that dishonor God. We have to remain faithful to the end to then of which we will fully know the glory of our Lord, partakers of the Divine Nature. For now it is not necessary to ‘try’ to understand beyond the things of the scripture. For now the mind and disposition of Christ as his Bride is what we must focus on. Not ascribing dates into doctrine nor the words of men and organizations, but of Christ alone. I believe chronology is important but only that of which is specifically mentioned and connected to scripture. We are not to be distracted. We will know in due time.
My Goodness, Hello again,
The Theme of the BIG upcoming 2015 Convention of JWs seems to me like an incredible turn-around. By the tenor of the Convention program it is unprecedentedly ALL about Jesus, with the Father Jehovah taking a backseat as it were.
But is that really a turn-around? Well, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. The Witnesses have always subscribed to many of the doctrines that attended the birth of the trinity, like a bloody afterbirth. Jesus commuting between heaven and earth is just so much trinitarian nonsense.
Trinitarians certainly needed to have the son, of whatever divine flavour, come down, not die, and return back up again to retain the triunity of their God. But why do all monotheists, including the Witnesses, continue with that trinitarian Yoyo charade?
Uh, yes, it’s all about the word becoming flesh. Now that really explains it, WOW! How could I forget. Really?
The word of God being made flesh is nowhere better encapsulated than in 2 Corinthians 1:19-22, which you will just have to look up yourself in a couple of translations.
The only-begotten-son was/is NOT Jesus. Just like Abraham’s Only-begotten-son was not the sheep who saved him. The original heavenly self-service? No! Jesus, son of man and sheep saved the God’s only-begotten heavenly son who was offered for the world, as per John 3:16 (Strong’s 2889 NOT 3625) of God’s firstborn son Israel (Exodus 4:22; Isaiah 41:8), as per John 3:16.
The all things written aforetime (Romans 15:4) were the only source to draw from for the NT writers in a context of the current affairs of their time. The Abraham-Isaac OT shadow, analogy, pre-enactment, whatever, was THE foremost of these things written aforetime.
Jesus was born ADAM #2 because no human descendant from Adam #1 could ever redeem his brother, as the psalmist had said somewhere -Psalms 49:7.
Jesus, human son of God became the final atonement and second Passover sacrifice for Israel. Jesus through his faithfulness to death had thereby become the Yes and Amen to all the promises God made to Abraham and the Israelite/Hebrew/Jewish fathers.
That’s the Bible’s view, the easy one.
The other is a fog-enshrouded multitude of words.
Bye for now, Dieter G