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THE ORIGINAL INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS ASSOCIATION… STILL ALIVE AND WELL

IBSA2Mark Twain once said, “The report of my death was an exaggeration.”  The same can be said of the association of International Bible Students.  It has often been reported that we died off back in the days of J.F. Rutherford.  Actually, we have existed continuously since the days of Brother Charles Taze Russell to the present.

Find the IBSA (International Bible Students Association) website by clicking here:

In Brother Russell’s day, the IBSA was a cooperative association of Bible Student congregations worldwide, all united by their love for Jehovah, Jesus, and the Truth.  The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society was merely a publishing house and lecture service, with NO central control over these thousands of associated, but independent congregations worldwide.  In those early days, full Christian liberty was encouraged for each brother and sister to study and determine the Truth form themselves.   Guided by the Holy Spirit, these independent congregations, worked together cooperatively under the loving and gentle leadership of Brother Russell.

After the death of Brother Russell in 1916, J.F. Rutherford took control of the WBTS, contrary to the instructions in Brother Russell’s Will and the Watchtower Bylaws.  By 1931 J.F. Rutherford had fundamentally transformed the WBTS into an authoritative theocratic organization.  J.F. Rutherford renamed the group from Bible Students to “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” in order to distinguish itself from the various groups formed by the 75% of original Bible Students no longer associated with the WBTS.  Hundreds of these Bible Student congregations worldwide have continued to the present, thus constituting a continuation of the original IBSA.

The International Bible Students have always been actively engaged in witnessing the Truth to the world and our beliefs remain unchanged since the days of Brother Russell.  We continue to treasure the Studies in the Scriptures, early Watchtowers and other writings of Brother Russell.   We believe that the light continues to shine brighter (clearer), but that it never changes.  If we agree that the Truth has changed, then it never was the Truth in the first place.

To find out more about the early history of the Watchtower Bible Students, click here:

13 comments to THE ORIGINAL INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS ASSOCIATION… STILL ALIVE AND WELL

  • Mostafa Kamal

    Sir,
    Greetings the precious name of our Lord Jesus Christ. I am from
    Bangladesh in Asia and I am a converted christian from the Muslim
    background. I have taken my baptism on 24/06/2007. After 2nd birth I
    have gotten some pastoral training in my country. Now I am a pastor
    and preaching to the Muslim community. You know in Bangladesh 87%
    people are Muslim and it is really risk to preaching here. But I
    follow my Lord Jesus word- (Therefore go and make disciples of all
    nations,baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of
    the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded
    you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
    Matthew 28:19-20)

    My vision is “To Preach the Educated Persons”.

    In this time I have preached many educated persons and students. And
    many educated persons are believer now and they took also baptism.

    Now I want to send them to take theological education for building
    them spiritually and enrich my ministry and our christian society in
    Bangladesh.

    So please give me a suggestion (1) Where can I send them? (2) How can
    I send them?
    (3) How can you help me?

    Thanking you in anticipation.

    May God bless you.

    Yours became in Christ.

    Pastor Mostafa Kamal
    Founder of Dynamic Church
    Village- Samsabad, Post- Kotowalibag,
    P.S.- Panchbibi, Dist.- Joypurhat.
    Division- Rajshahi, BANGLADESH.
    Mobile No : +880 1911450131

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Mostafa – I am working on contacting Bible Students in your area. It could take a few days, but I will get back to you as soon as I can.

  • Anonymous

    To Peter;

    Wasn’t that year 1909? And were not vast preparations under way for the conversion of the heathen? If yes from what he said, did the Bible Students fail? I think some Bible Students feel there is no conversion of the heathen. And from the looks of it, even with the internet, C.T.R. had way more heathen reading his material back then.

    Can you explain where his preparations have gone?

    Thank you,
    Henry

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Henry – Thanks for a good question. C.T.R. never preached the conversion of the heathen until the future earthly kingdom arrives.

      For example, in Volume 4, “The Battle of Armageddon” he discussed this verse.

      Matt 24:14 “This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.” NASV95

      He explained that verse 14 does not say world will be converted before the end comes, but that the gospel will be preached as a witness or testimony. It does not say the Gospel will be preached to each individual, but to all the nations.

      He then referred to the fact that In 1861 the reports of the Bible Societies showed that the Gospel had been published in every language of earth… and verse 14 closes with “then the end will come.” (The “end” being the Harvest, which is the end of the (Gospel) age).

      C.T.R. also in other places talked about how it was not the job of the Saints (spirit begotten, anointed) to convert the world. For example, in Matt 13: 10-11, the disciples asked him why he spoke to the people in parables, because the people were confused and did not understand. Jesus explained that, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.”

      Also remember that Jesus told the Jews they must eat his flesh and drink his blood. By today’s standards, this was a terrible marketing campaign. John 6:66 (NASV) says, “As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.” So Jesus was not trying to gain large numbers. Jesus was weeding out those who were interested in what they could get out of it. Jesus was interested in finding the few grains of wheat that would have potential for being His body members and share with him in the future work of being earths Judges, Priests and Kings; and of course then would be world conversion.

  • Anonymous

    To Peter;

    Was that everlasting truth? Or present truth?

    “It is only to be expected that those who have come into the light of present truth.” Some where after R4303: Page 3

    Henry

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Henry – It is “Present Truth.” The last paragraph under the subhead, “A SUPPOSITIONARY CASE,” from the article is is quoted below with a link:

      http://www.harvesttruthdatabase.com/htdbv6/r4303.htm

      “These are our grounds for our great expectations in connection with the opening year. Additionally we might remark that it is only to be expected that those who have come into the light of Present Truth, and who have, as it were, been gathered as wheat from the tares, should begin to receive their threshing, to separate fully and completely the wheat from the chaff. So, then, while anticipating great progress for the Truth, we must also anticipate sore trials and, perhaps, disappointments, in respect to some of whom we had expected better things–even joint-heirship in the Kingdom.”

  • Dear Peter K
    Hope this answers your questions, used Word this time and pasted it back

    —The question is, what events are the 1260 years associated with? Can we agree that it would be the false religious system persecuting the true Saints?

    Pretty well yes, but a more precise view might be Satan / demonic operating of the apostatised system to sift the followers of Christ as wheat. I feel wary of the true religion / false religion descriptions not that such use is wrong, but it may at times mislead, we were told that the wheat and weeds are all to grow together. It can give a false sense of security to build these “us&them-the bad guys”. The enemy may be closer, even a brother.
    Matthew 24 v 15,16 may be a general awakening of Christendom to the Apostasy within and the flight might also be the same as Revelation 18 v 4. A flight that many may fail to undertake.

    —If so, we should identify when that persecuting power began and ended (if ended). If not, then what do you think the 1260 year period is all about or to accomplish? Thanks. Peter K.

    I would suggest Daniel 11 v 32 to 35 and Matthew 24 v 9 to 14 are the same period, that Daniel 11 v 31 is the ratifying into the Congregations of the Trinity with anathemas on all who disagree by the Third Council of Constantinople : 680-681 A. D.
    I suggest the 1290 & 1335 start together, perhaps 45 years of fading of the power, I think the 2300 ends probably with the 1335 or shortly thereafter. I suggest the Daniel 8 v 12 removal of the constant feature was the removal of Jewish scriptural expertise to Alexandria, which resulted in the Greek Septuagint [the] text used by the earliest Christians [and Jews joining the Greek army]. These events are about the correct distance apart in time. [2300-1335=965]

    http://yahweh-immanuel.info/daniel%20eleven%20hyperlinked.html

    This is submitted as my James 1 v 5 to your Acts 17 v 11

    Assuradly the Scripture will prove true but we must be careful in interpretation!
    B

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Reader – Thanks. I enjoyed reading your thoughts and our thinking is similar in many regards. I think that for most people, the idea the Jesus has returned and the 1260 days ended is impossible to even consider. So this line of thinking is generally never considered or vetted. After all, why isn’t God’s Kingdom here yet. The answer is that a careful and detailed study of the Bible shows that prophetic events often play out over decades and centuries, not the few days, months or years people expect. Hence there was great disappointment and confusion from most people at Jesus first advent when He did not immediately set up the kingdom.

      I think the key with the 1260 days is that it covers the period of time when the Antichist system has persecuting power over the saints.

      Dan 7:25 (NKJV), “He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.” (3 1/2 times = 3 1/2 years = 1260 symbolic days = 1260 actual years)

      Dan 12:7 (NAS), “it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power [to preach Truth] of the holy people, all these events will be completed.”

      Rev 13 (NKJV), “5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty–two months. (42 mos = 1260 days = 1260 years) …
      7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.”

      So this Antichrist system had power to persecute the Saints for 1260 years. Has their power been broken? Of course. We can preach freely on the Internet, radio, door to door or wherever, without being thrown in jail, persecuted, tortured and killed. When did this end? Ended in 1799 when Napoleon took the Pope prisoner to France, where the Pope died. Papacy lost its civil authority and persecuting power in the French Revolution. Count back 1260 years and that takes you to 539, the year that the Eastern Roman Emperor appointed the Roman Bishop (Pope) as the Western Roman empires civil authority.

      Yes, the Third Council of Constantinople : 680-681 A. D. was significant regarding doubling down on persecuting any who disagreed with the Trinity. However, I think what we want to look at is when the Church system had the Civil authority to control kings, civil government and thereby persecute the Saints.

  • - sorry there was a click and I pressume you have a part message already.
    Anyway there is a Ships of Kittim event with an Arms event, followed shortly by an Apostatasy event;
    The Second Council of Constantinople: 680-681 where the Trinity was ratified and all disenters anathematised

  • Done it again, upset by my multitasking, I think;

    Third Council of Constantinople….[680-681ce]. Start 1290? & 1335 and Christendom power?

    which would suggest 1335 is still running!

    This would take the Kings of N & S into the end times for which times it is due to be understood. Daniel 12 v 9

    Almost all our history books have misled us, few treat Byzantium as the Roman Empire, which it was.

    Apoligies for the broken up reply.
    B

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Reader – The question is, what events are the 1260 years associated with? Can we agree that it would be the false religious system persecuting the true Saints? If so, we should identify when that persecuting power began and ended (if ended). If not, then what do you think the 1260 year period is all about or to accomplish? Thanks. Peter K.

  • Just had a look at your Daniel 11 kings north & south

    There is a historical view problem in that the history of Islam is ignored in the west. Islam became king of South when it took Egypt.

    http://yahweh-immanuel.info/joining%20the%20chain%20up.html#Ships

    http://yahweh-immanuel.info/copyright.html

    Constantinople was the Roman Capital of the Senior Emporer. It happened quite literally as Daniel was inspired to prophecy.

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Reader – Thanks. I think Islam is referred to in Bible Prophecy in various places. This link gives an example: http://www.heraldmag.org/2006/06so_6.htm

      I could not tell from your link where you see Islam in Daniel 11. If you could clarify, I would like to consider. Daniel 11 covers history beginning with Persia and continuing to the time of Napoleon. It’s focus at first relates to Gentile World Powers that ruled or dominated natural Israel (Persia, Greece & Rome), then the great pagan then Papal Antichrist system that persecuted the true church (considered heretics). The end of chapter 11 relates to the struggle between Great Britain and Napoleon’s French empire, which had destroyed the Papal systems persecuting power and well as taking away papacy’s power to crown kings. Constantinople was important in that when civil control had been destroyed in Rome due to the Barbarian attacks, in 539 AD, Justinian, emperor of Constantinople appointed the Bishop of Rome (the Pope) the civil authority in Rome. The Papacy had that civil authority for 1260 prophetic days (1260 years) from 539 AD to 1799 AD, when Napoleon took the pope prisoner to France, where the pope died.

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