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IS THE GOVERNING BODY THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?

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Recently, the Governing Body has modified the definition of the Faithful and Discreet Slave to exclusively apply to themselves and to not include the thousands of other anointed.

In the past, Jehovah’s Witnesses have believed that The Faithful and Discreet Slave is the collective body of “anointed” Christians alive on earth and that they exercise teaching authority in all matters pertaining to doctrine and articles of faith.  This belief is based on an interpretation of Matthew 24:45-47.

Watch Tower Society publications teach that Jesus uses this group exclusively “to publish information on the fulfillment of Bible prophecies and to give timely direction on the application of Bible principles in daily life as the only means of communicating God’s messages to people.  Hence, it is referred to as God’s “prophet and “channel”.

Appointments to positions of responsibility and decisions on doctrines, activities and oversight of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide are made by the members of the Governing Body, who are said to serve as representatives of the “slave class”.  However no global network of anointed Witnesses exists to reveal new spiritual truths, and the remainder of the “slave class” are not consulted when making decisions.

Recently, some members of the anointed class wrote the Governing Body disagreeing with the way they were treating God’s household and questioning some of the teachings.  The Governing Body has permanently resolved this problem of dissent by cutting the other anointed out of the Faithful and Discreet Slave class, thereby completely consolidating their power and eliminating all opposition.

Do you believe the Faithful and Discreet Slave class of Matt 24:45-47 is:

* The Governing Body
* All “Anointed” JWs
* All “Anointed” Christians, even if not JWs
* C.T. Russell
* Not sure of the answer
* Other (Explain by posting a comment)

How would you apply the verses in Matt 24:45-47?

We would love to hear your thoughts.

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UPDATE

“Reports are emerging of an announcement at the 128th Annual Meeting of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses now considers itself to be the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class of Matthew 24:45 in its entirety.”

“Suspicions were raised in the minds of many thinking Witnesses after reading articles such as the Questions From Readers of the August 15th 2011 Watchtower, where it was admitted that the Governing Body has no actual communication with memorial partakers (the “anointed”) and even feels that some of these ones may be mentally imbalanced. (see w11 8/15 p. 22)”

Find the source of this information here:

I am not totally satisfied that this new change is well documented, so if anyone has additional concrete information or support, please share it with us.

 

226 comments to IS THE GOVERNING BODY THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?

  • Anonymous

    To Peter K.;

    Thank you for your comments. Are you saying that they don’t believe CTR was anointed and died faithful and has been raised to heaven not long after his death?

    And does not everyone believe we worship Jehovah God and His Son in is the only way to the Father. John 4:23,24;14:6? Ans that the whole Bible is the inspired written word of God, not just what some apostles wrote?

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Anonymous – I just posted an article which should help to answer your questions: NEW LIGHT LEAKED ON IDENTITY OF “FAITHFUL AND DISCRETE SLAVE”

      I don’t see where they have officially said that CTR is not in heaven with the other 144,000. I think they still believe this, but they appear to be diminishing his role in the founding of the Watchtower, perhaps to help discourage JWs from investigating Russell’s teachings, the “old light.” I am speculating on their motive.

      I hope we all agree that Jesus is the only way to the Father, Jehovah, whom we worship; and that the whole Bible is inspired. However, this is all moot if one believes the Governing Body to be the supreme authority. So, in good conscience, if we believe the Bible is teaching something different, we are considered as being prideful with rebellious and apostate tendencies. Since then, we cannot challenge the Governing Body’s interpretations, then doesn’t that move the “authority” from the “Bible” to the “Governing Body?”

  • Anonymous

    To Peter K. (Admin);

    Did ctr ever say he was the one and only faithful slave? Peter who is a pillar in the BS movement says he never claimed it.

    Does that make Peter bad? Of coarse not, because no one has shown where CTR says, ‘I am the faithful slave.’

    A 1973 book by JWs was mentioned and just want to share a few points from it.

    page 346 GK of a 1000 years,”the editor…disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that “faithful and wise servant.” He never did claim to be such.

    What do we have hear? JWs and Peter K. agreeing. Does that make them bad? No! Why not. Their both right. Unless someone shows where he said he is.

    And we know, Peter holds highly to CTR,’s teachings. And consider the same book fo JWs. 346 and 347,”the sense of appreciation and indebtedness toward Russell moved many of his associates to view him as the fulfillment of the faithful and discreet slave.”

    Back to page 346 on what the WT book said about him in 1973,”It cannot be successfully disputed that, till his death in 1916, he lovingly served as a part of the “faithful and discreet slave” class in giving to the Master’s domestics “their food at the proper time.”

    So both Peter K. and JWs speak highly of him. Ironic, isn’t it?

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Annoymous – Thanks for sharing with us on our website. Yes, I do have a high regard for Brother Russell, but a much greater regard for the Apostles, and yet the greatest regard of all for my Savior Jesus Christ and for Jehovah. In a few days we will be posting more information that many are already familiar with. The Watchtower is changing their view again. Brother Russell is no longer their founder, but is being demoted to a role similar to that played by John the Baptist, of pointing to the one coming after Him. Their new teaching is that Jesus inspection ran from 1914-1919, at which point (1919) He selected Judge Rutherford and the Watchtower leaders remaining, after ousting the elders Brother Russell had selected. This Governing Body comprises the Faithful and Discrete Slave class. Oops, sorry Annointed JWs. You have been pushed aside into obscurity and can no longer in any sense be considered a part of the Falithful and Discrete Slave. Ouch! Although the handwriting has been on the wall for a very long time in that regard.

  • The hypocrisy and lies of the Jehovah’s Witnesses is well documented: http://www.thebroadroad.com/m/articles/popular/

    • Jacqueline

      Jeremy I am about to go to your link now and check it out. Peace. Jacqueline.

      Okay I went there and took a look at some of the quotes and such. Very nice web-site. Laid out simply and user friendly. (I sound like some of the spam we get, LOL) But seriously it is easy to navigate. Some of the topics like Fading are on here also, I will compare notes to see if we can add to our fading list. Take Care.

  • Jacqueline

    http://www.christianwitnesses.com/
    This is the link to the new info on the governingbody’s claim that they only is and has ever been the faithful and discreet slave. Strange that Jesus only asked the question and referred to being appointed over all his belongs, which are everything as he stated when he ascended.
    Just thought many woiuld want to see the actual letter also included.

  • max

    To Ken, Peter, and Jeff;

    I find it funny that Ken calls others false religion, yet he boasts he read all six sits. These same sits say 144,000 is literal.

    So my challenge to Jeff and Peter is to get Ken to accept that.

    Good luck!

  • max

    To Jeff and Will and Ken;

    Lets read Rev 19:3,”And right away for the second time they said: “Praise Jah, you people! And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever.”

    Lets keep in mind that what has just happened was the Destruction of Babylon the Great on earth. Who will be happy and who will be unhappy and where will they all be?
    1.”The kings of the earth…will weep and beat themselves in grief over her.” Where? On earth is what it said.
    2.”Also the travling merchants of the earth are weeping and mourning over her.” Where? Again, on earth.
    3. “ship captains and every man that voyages anywhere, and sailors and all those who make a living by the sea, stood at a distance.” Where? One would reason on earth.
    4.Here is a happy one. “Be glad over her, O heaven, also you holy ones and you apostles and you prophets.” Why be glad? “because God has judicially exacted punishment for you from her.” Caps mine “FOR YOU.” Will it ever come back? “she will never be found again.” What had this great city done? “because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.

    Who was that great crowd in heaven? Da 7:10,”There was a stream of fire flowing and going out from before him. There were a thousand thousands that ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand that kept standing right before him.” Would that be considered a great crowd? Does every time great crowd appears in the Bible it must be talking about the same group?

    Mt 4:25,”great crowds followed him.” Mark 4:1, a great crowd gathered near him.” Lu 5:29 Great crowd of tax collectors.” John 12:9,”Great crowd of the Jews.” Acts 6:7,”a great crowd of priests began to.” Rev 7:9,”a great crowd which no man could number.”
    There is a clue on this last one. Those going to heaven are a numbered group so it was not talking about them. And if the great crowd was going to heaven, how could a man number invisible spirits, it wouldn’t make sense to say no man could number them. Go to a big football game and tell me how many fans are there inside and out. Rev 19:1 and 6 also.

    There other places with the words great crowd and it is clear the words are not always talking of the same group.

    • ken

      Hi Max, as for the 144,000 being a literal number…I have a problem with that, i.e, 12 tribes of Israel with at least one of them that never existed, doesn’t equal 144,000. To me, this number is simply a representive of the heavenly class whose actual number is unknown.

    • Jeff M

      Max,

      It is good to hear from you again.

      I agree the kings of the earth will weep and mourn over the fall of Babylon. I don’t see a connect to a ‘great crowd.’ These kings of the earth will be on earth, as they will be the ones left behind which Zechariah 14 states will worship the Lord from year to year.

      This scenario is repeated over and over again throughout Scripture.

      Another example is what Haggai tells us —

      “‘I will shake all the nations; and they will come with the wealth of all nations, and I will fill this house with glory,’ says the LORD of hosts.” (Haggai 2:7)

      “‘I will overthrow the thrones of kingdoms and destroy the power of the kingdoms of the nations; and I will overthrow the chariots and their riders, and the horses and their riders will go down, everyone by the sword of another.’” (Haggai 2:22)

      According to verse 22, these kingdoms will be destroyed, and according to verse 7, these kings will bring the wealth of all the nations to Jerusalem for worship! This is the same picture as Zechariah 12 and 14!

      Again, what an amazing God of grace we have to give opportunity to these unbelieving nations at that time, both the gentiles, and the jews who will be attacked by these nations!

      While I agree that there are many angels in heaven who minister to God, they are not called a ‘great crowd’ anywhere in Scripture. Revelation uses this phrase to refer to the same group.

      The Daniel 7:10 passage is speaking of a completely different time period that is before the coming of the Son of Man. Lets review the context.

      “as for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.” Daniel 7:12

      The very next verse speaks about the coming of the son of man.

      “I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven one like a son of man was coming, and he came up to the ancient of days and was presented before him.” Daniel 7:13

      Daniel, as perplexed as he was, decides to ask a question about what he has seen, so God gives more details about this period between the reign of the beasts and the coming of the Son of Man.

      “‘these great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth.” Daniel 7:17

      “I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them” Daniel 7:21

      “‘”he will speak out against the most high and wear down the saints of the highest one, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.” Daniel 7:25

      I am sure you would agree that these last three verses (and the ones quoted above) would apply before the Revelation 19 picture.

      Without interpreting what the Great Crowd may or may not be we know a couple things about it from the context of Revelation.

      1) They are in heaven (19:1)

      “after these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven . . . ” (Revelation 19:1)

      2) They are mentioned as being innumerable in distinction to the 144,000 that is numbered. Whoever they are, they are not the 144,000 because they are invited to the marriage supper of the lamb. The 144,000 will be the bride, the great crowd will not be.

      “then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, “Hallelujah! for the lord our god, the Almighty, reigns. ‘let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to him, for the marriage of the lamb has come and his bride has made herself ready.’ it was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. then he *said to me, “write, ‘blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the lamb.’” (Revelation 19:6-9)

      Note that her voice here is like that of ‘many waters’. The ‘many waters’ of Revelation refers to something metioned just a couple chapters previously

      “And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:” (Revelation 17:1 )

      The many waters here are the nations!

      “The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.” (Revelation 17:15)

      It is the nations that the whore sits on, and also the nations that the great crowd comes out of!

      “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people.” (Revelation 7:9)

      Contextually this is the same group. They come from the same place, and they do the same thing!

      • Jeff M

        Max,

        I forgot one thing.

        Many who believe in hell have told me that it is because God’s ways are higher than ours and we can not understand it, that they can reasonably accept an eternal burning hell for unbelievers.

        When they say this, they are quoting from the following passsage.

        “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:8-9)

        In the context God is speaking to an idolatrous sinful and unbelieving nation.

        He encourages them by asking them to “Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.” (Isaiah 55:3)

        Then God says something even more amazing, He says, “Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.” (Isaiah 55:5)

        It is interesting to read even further in the context. Check the previous verse.

        “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.” (Isaiah 55:7)

        Again, our God is an amazing God.

        • Jeff M

          It’s going to be a long day.

          I forgot to state that if God can show mercy to these idolotrous witnesses of jehovah in Isaiah, if he can show mercy to the unbelieving nations who are not his people (as the context states), how much the more he can show mercy to us and the kings and peoples of the earth after this future attack of Zecharaiah 12 and 14!

          • jacqueline

            Yes, a long day Jeff. But oh the blessings when it is. Over. It is what keeps hope alive, when you talk to people and look at em you think, help is in the way. I used to wonder how God was justifying forever killing people because of the merciless things we as witnesses said. We painted him ad a monster. To hear these simple and pure words of truth and reason warms the heart. Now to get the word out to others. Thanks Jeff

  • ken

    I like the CMF belief about the ID of the “faithful slave”……the entire body of faithful members of the body of christ who feed one another…..

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Thanks Ken. I am glad we can all share our thoughts here. In Biblical times a steward was head over the other household servants/slaves. My thought is the that the Steward (not slave) singular of Luke 12:42 is the same as the 7th messenger of Rev 3:14. The two chapters are tied together.

      First notice the time frame, that Luke 12 applies to Jesus second presence.

      Luke 12:35-37 NASB “Be dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps lit. Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks. Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.

      Now compare how Luke 12 and Rev 3 are tied together. Revelation 3:20 NASB Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

      So here is what we have in common between the two passages:

      * Jesus knocks * We wait * We dine together on food from Jesus

      How does Jesus serve his servants?

      Luke 12:37, 42 NASB Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them. And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?

      So Jesus serves His servants (plural) at his second presence through the Faithful and Wise Steward (singular), the same as the 7th Messenger of Rev 3:14.

      How then can the Steward be the same as the servants?

      Does Jesus tell when this will happen?

      Yes. In Luke 12:35-37 Jesus quotes the same key word as Daniel 12:12 “blessed,” “wait” and “come” in regards to the 1335 days (years) which bring you to the year 1874, when Jesus returned and selected the Faithful Steward.

      Interestingly, if we accept the notion of one Steward (one 7th Messenger), there is no confusion as only one possible candidate fits the description and no one has ever suggested another viable candidate that I have ever heard.

  • Will Kirby

    hi

    As a 2nd generation ex-jw with 40 years loyal service to the Org. i am well versed in russellism, rutherfordism and the historical calamities of the past and present.

    The slight of hand in this new change of the FDS idenification will leed to the exposure of two big errors which like the flip flop of changes that acompanied the new light on the “superior Authorities” understanding which lasted 40 years, will eventually lead to a reversal of the new change. but at least the current change can lead to some interesting problems for the Governing Body, issues which i will outline here.

    1] Ever since the early 1930s jehovah witness loyalty to God has been demonstrated through obedience to Organisational direction in all its forms, culminating in the 1986 “simplified” 2nd question to baptismal candidates to agree that “their baptism identifies them as a JEHOVAH WITNESS in association with Gods SPIRIT DIRECTED ORGANISATION”. However, it would seem that the new light might relieve many now of such long and heavy chains because the Governing Body; now that they are the FDS when pontificating on scripture have to aknowledge that the Great Crowd are Now NOT the Property of the FDS since Christ has not yet “appeared” to grant them the Honour of have “US” -the Great Crowd- as “Belongings”.
    Therefore, No longer can they claim ownership of us as they have done.

    2] it seems that since the FDS changes when people die and the FDS might not always be fathful i cannot see how the promise of inheritance can be apostolically applied to all of the FDS Governing Body. Surely, it can only apply to the Body existing at christs return and which alone is rewarded at that time

    any comments

    • Jacqueline

      Hi Will Kirby, Jeff and some of the other Brothers will see your comment later they are in meetings and they will comment. This is Jacqueline. Welcome

    • Dupin

      That is certainly an interesting take on the situation Will Kirby. However, given their desire to cling to power, I doubt the Governing Body, or the Organization they direct, will agree with you in the least. They’ve been patting their own backs for years now and seem less inclined to share the glory with the rest of the “little flock,” even by way of symbol. Will some folks reason as you have? Possibly, but you and I both know they’ll crack down on that in an hurry. I’m still kind of curious to see what else may be coming down the pike for my former brethren.

    • Jeff M

      Good morning Will!

      1) Not only that, I see that the Jws are quite confused what the Great Crowd is, let alone who ‘directs’ them.

      2) I agree. One example is the blood policy that must go away.

  • Dupin

    The “new light” just brings what they’ve really thought out into the open if they make it official in the pages of the Watchtower:

    While their explanation raises some other issues I personally think it’s a good thing for all concerned for them to do it. There’ve been rumors running around about the elders being informed in the schools for years that there were knew teachings in the works, some of which would “stumble” some. So maybe we’re starting to see them coming out.

    Dupin

    • Jacqueline

      In fact a letter in Crisis of conscience from them stated they would be making the changes to most of the doctrines in the next 20-30 years Br. Raymond thought this was horrible since so much damage would be done. Especially on the blood issue.
      There is some sort of blindness on the part of the general Brothers and sisters also, because they tell them they can take almost all blood in pieces but some say “I won’t take any part”. It is a shame how some would actually drink the Kool Aid if told to do so. These men have so much blood on their hands. They are getting up there with the serial killers. Hopefully they will accept the will of God in Millenium.

  • Jacqueline

    Okay, so the governingbody of the first century (I know there wasn’t one but let’s just say, okay)was not a “Faithful and discreet slave”.
    Accordingto the new lite from Crooklyn the slave came into existence only in 1919. There were no faithful and discreet slaves down thru the centuries.
    So, why is the governingbody of today a “faithful and discreet slave.
    I do know that Jesus will gather all of the 144,000 and will be appointed over all his belongings and he will indeed have proved to be a faithful and discreet slave of all slaves.
    Does anyone have a transcript copy of the Nu-life from the crooklyn annual meeting that says the faithful and discreet slave began only in 1919 and not before that year? I am searching the internet for the transscript.

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