How Does the Holy Spirit Work?

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Christians everywhere talk about the Holy Spirit and how it generates influence, strength and peace in their lives. We all want more of it because we all see it as a way to continually draw closer to God through Jesus. But how does the Holy Spirit work? Does the Holy Spirit give us miraculous powers in the same way it did back in New Testament times? How do you know the Holy Spirit is working in your life?

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49 comments to How Does the Holy Spirit Work?

  • Richard.Tazzyman

    Dear Bro Chris,As you stated,the scriptures do the talking-not us,we cannot change what Jesus said in Rev 3:21 “To the one who conquers I will grant(That is Jesus) to sit down with me(JESUS) on my throne,Just as I (Jesus) conquered & SAT DOWN WITH MY FATHER(JEHOVAH)on his Throne(Jehovahs).No one who understands the written word can twist it around,plain,simple Language!Bro Richard.Bible Student Australia.

    • Marc Taylor

      And both the Father and the Lord Jesus on the the throne receive worship not fit for any created being (Revelation 5:12-13; 7:10, 15; 22:3).

      • Richard.Tazzyman

        Marc,Read the scripture- two different people,two different thrones, you cannot ignore that. Otherwise you can twist any scripture to suit your teaching. Regards Richard.BS Australia.

        • Marc Taylor

          Christ’s throne, “stands at the right hand of the Father’s throne…or is even identical with it Rv 22:1, 3; cp. 3:21b (BDAG, 3rd Edition, thronos, page 460).

          The Lamb (Jesus Christ) is worshiped along with the Father in Revelation 7:10. This worship took place “before the throne” (Revelation 7:9) where the Lamb is at the center (Revelation 7:17).

          • Peter K. (admin)

            Marc – We could continue debating the Trinity for months. I think it has gone on long enough. We have heard enough from you on this topic. If you want to talk about a completely different topic that is fine. Chris and Richard can share their final thoughts on the Trinity if they would like. Marc has been dominating space and we all wish we had as much free time as he has.

            I believe we answered your points to our satisfaction and clearly you are not satisfied. You certainly did not answer our points to our satisfaction. There is no one passage in the Bible that describes the complete Trinity, that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons that make up one Truiune God. In our view, you are only able to supply indirect inferences to supposed pieces of the Trinity that can only be applied that way with force if you come to the scriptures with the preconceived notion of the Trinity. No Bible verse describes the Holy Spirit as YHWH. Yet you seem to be saying that not only are all three persons YHWH and the angel of the LORD YHWH, but also that the One Triune God is YHWH as well. This make no sense to us. However, we allow you the Christian liberty to think what you want. You got your chance. This debate is over.

            Hey wouldn’t it be funny if YHWH caught you on a different doctrinal infraction and you ended up in Hell with us?

            Speaking of salvation, several times you ignored nearly one hundred scriptures that prove that whether or not you believe in the Trinity you will be resurrected from the dead in God’s kingdom and if not in heaven, then have the opportunity to obey God and live forever on earth. Yes, Marc, we think God will bless even you with everlasting life. LOL

            You picked the fist topic. Don’t chicken out on my choice. Let’s discuss how the scripture below prove that those who reject the Trinity will still be awakened from the dead in God’s kingdom and have the opportunity for everlasting life on earth if they are not already chosen by YHWH to be in heaven. http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2011/03/19/two-salvations-a-ransom-for-all/

            • Richard.Tazzyman

              No more from me Bro Peter.We have Listened.But the arguments of Scripture that Marc quoted do not in any way or form point to a triple in one God.I think you have been more than patient.God Bless.We watched the Memorial broadcast this morning of Sister Margs Funeral.Very faith strenghing.

              • Peter K. (admin)

                Br. Richard, I personally knew Sr. Marge since I was a teenager. Any comments I could make would not do justice in describing her kindness, wisdom, Bible knowledging, unselfishness and sacrificial loving zeal in serving the Lord, Truth and brethren. She spiritually inspired so many of us to greater devotion to the Heavenly Father. She will truly be missed.

        • Chris Johnz

          Marc doesnt want to see it. Jesus said he is ascending to his God. The Bible even says that the head of christ is God. It’s pretty plain. Marc goes from OT find some quality of Jehovah then goes to the NT and say see Jesus has it too. Therefore Jesus is God. Sorry. Poor bible scholarship. He googles our arguements and paste them to make himself look like hes heard this arguement before. My experience with baptists is tneh think they know everything. Especially African Baptists. Boy the love to argue. God doesnt have a God. They Talk out of 2 sides of their mouth. For instance when Jesus says the father is greater than I am they want to say “well that’s only in his human form” but you just said he with fully God that makes no sense. Also even after his resurrection Jesus refers to God as God.

  • Marc Taylor

    Peter,
    I meant bodies in the sense of physical bodies.

    What is the difference between a Trinitarian and a Tri-unitarian? I ask because I couldn’t find a difference.

    Triunitarian (traɪˌjuːnɪˈtɛərɪən)
    n, adj
    (Theology) a less common word for Trinitarian
    https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Triunitarian

    triunitarian [trahy-yoo-ni-tair-ee-uh n]
    noun
    Trinitarian.
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/triunitarian

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Hi Marc,

      The modern 20th century view is the Tri-unity does not accept historical views of the Trinity where the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all co-equal and all composed of the same substance.

      Since the latter part of the nineteenth century, the Trinitarian position has come under searching criticism throughout the world. To meet these attacks, evangelicals have been modifying their doctrinal formulations. Thus Dr. R.A. Torrey, who held the position of Superintendent of the Moody Bible Institute, has advanced a subordinationist view, stating that the Father, the Son, and the holy Spirit are three separate persons, co-eternal but not co-equal. The Father, according to Dr. Torrey, is superior to the Son, and the holy Spirit is subordinate to both.

      Another area of modification by contemporary Trinitarians is relative to three gods in one or “three persons in one substance.” Walter R. Martin, of the Christian Research Institute, modifies this point with the following definition: Within the unity of the one God, there are three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and these three share the same nature and attributes. In effect,
      then, the three persons are the one God.

      Similarly, in an essay entitled “The Triune God,” published by Christianity Today, the term “substance” used in the Athanasian Creed is modified. This Creed was affirmed by Catholics and Protestants for many centuries. However, this essay concedes that the formula of the trinity often read “three persons in one substance (Greek, treis hypostaseis en mia ousia, and Latin, tres personae in una substantia).”

      There is, thus, no uniform Christian position on the nature of God. Reliance upon human tradition has been a great source of difficulty to many Christians who are earnestly seeking to understand God’s Word. The divinely inspired Scriptures are the only valid evidence for Christian belief, and any objective appraisal of their teaching must include all scriptures pertinent to any subject, i.e., the earnest student of God’s Word must be willing to harmonize the Scriptures, not merely selecting those verses which seem to support his
      position while ignoring the rest. Only thus can a Christian be “a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”— 2 Tim. 2:15

      Consider the following facts regarding the origin ofthe Trinity are irrefutable:

      1. The word “Trinity” nowhere appears in the Bible.

      2. The word “Trinity” does not even appear in Christian literature till the beginning of the third century. Even then, it meant something very different from the interpretation now given to the word. Tertullian, the first to use the word, believed that only the Father was without beginning. The Son, according to him, had a beginning, and his pre-human existence was of the angelic nature. The oneness of the Father andthe Son was a oneness of purpose and will.

      3. Trinitarians themselves are forced to concede that the doctrine of the Trinity was not completely forged until the fourth century.

      4. There is not even a hint of the Trinity in the Old Testament. The Jews, God’s chosen people from Old Testament times, have never held this belief. In all of the voluminous rabbinical writings (Talmud) which date from Old Testament times, neither the Trinity nor any similar concept is once mentioned.

      • Richard.Tazzyman

        Dear Bro Peter,I just had to comment on your Post to Marc,You have been very Patient,loving and ; gone to great lengths to explain the truth of Gods Word,that nowhere does it mention a tri-une God,and as youaptly stated it was only due to the breakdown of true worship in the 3rd and;4th Centuries (The Man of lawlessness)the birth of the false “Catholic church, Babylon the great.We only need Gods Word,not the false doctrines introduced to water down The ONE TRUE GOD JEHOVAH and the First Born of all creation,The SON,Mankinds Saviour-He died FOR ALL MANKIND.God Bless Bro Peter.Bro Richard.Bible Student,Australia.

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Thanks Bro. Richard,

          I like Marc. Sure he is is firm and convicted of his views, but he is also as respectful and polite as we could expect in a Trinity debate. As Christian’s we should not be wishy washy. We disagree with his conclusions on the Trinity, however I think he is making a real attempt to have a two way conversation, at least on some of our points.

      • Marc Taylor

        Peter,
        In response to your 4 points:
        1. Just because a specific word does not appear is irrelevant. The Bible never uses the word “monotheism” and yet it is true. The Bible never uses the word “omniscient” and yet it is true. I can say that I believe the Bible presents a monotheistic God who is omniscient. Just because the two words aren’t in the Bible doesn’t mean what i believe is false. The same holds true for the word “Trinity” – it does not appear in the Bible, but it is what the Bible teaches.

        2. See the last sentence to point #1.

        3. See the last sentence to point #1.

        4. There are certainly hints of the Trinity in the Old Testament. To whom was Jacob worshiping in Genesis 48:16? To whom did Ezekiel pray to in 37:9-10?

        Here is something else I have noticed: When I attempt to stick with what the Bible teaches this gets a response about church history, what people may or may not have said or written etc., etc. The thing is we have the Bible. And when I present arguments from “the Bible” they do not get refuted which show the fact that (1) the Lord Jesus is God and (2) the Holy Spirit is not an impersonal force or power but He has personality and He is God.
        Why is this? Why do the words of the Bible take a back seat to what others may or may not have said many years later?

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Marc –

          The absence of evidence in points 1-3 are valid arguments. Your rebuttal is worth considering with supporting evidence supplied. The fact that Trinity is no where found in present or historical Jewish teaching seems proof that in the pre-Jesus era there was NO understanding of the Trinity (or Triune gods) among the children of Jacob outside of idolotry. Why aren’t you concerned that the 20th century view on the Trinity deviates from historical views? You can’t just ignore evidence that refutes your view and expect to convince reasonable thinkers.

          We have answered with scripture rebuttals. However, we are all busy. I work overtime so some points may be missed. Could you list the top 3 scriptural arguements for the Trinity you would like us to answer with scriptural evidence, not historical?

          • Marc Taylor

            Hi Peter,

            1. My previous arguments that the Lord Jesus is referred to as YHWH were not refuted. That is Old Testament passages where “YHWH” was employed are used in reference to the Lord Jesus in the New Testament (Acts 2:21; Romans 10:13; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 1 Peter 2:4).

            2. I have already written a post here concerning the personality and supreme Deity of the Holy Spirit. Nothing I have written went refuted.

            I think these two are plenty.

            • Peter K. (admin)

              Thanks Marc – We will take a look and get back to you when we can. I am presently at work for the next couple of days. Thanks.

              • Marc Taylor

                Ok Peter. Sounds good.
                I meant 1 Peter 2:3 above not 1 Peter 2:4 – although the “Him” in verse 4 does indicate the “Lord” in verse 3 refers to Jesus.

            • Peter K. (admin)

              Marc,

              This response is to your point #1 which is your evidence that the Lord Jesus is referred to as YHWH.

              First of all, we can eliminate 1 Corinthians 1:2 as perhaps that was a typo??? There is no old testament quote referenced here.

              Next, let’s look at 1 Peter 2:3. If we continue through verse 8 we see Jesus as being referred to as the chief corner stone as well as the stone which the builder’s rejected. These are quotes of two Old Testament passages Psalms 118:22 and Isaiah 28:16. I do not see the connection with YHWH so you need to elaborate so we can comprehend your point.

              Now let’s look at Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 which are both quoting from Joel 2:31 where the LORD is YHWH . In both the Acts and Romans scriptures we find the harmony of both Jesus and the LORD (YHWH) working together. Calling on the name of the LORD (YHWH) does NOT mean that if we also call on the name of Jesus as well that this makes them both part of the same ONE GOD. Calling on the name of Jesus is the same as calling on the name of the LORD (YHWH) as Jesus is YHWH’s LOGOS / Chief Messenger / representative of God on earth.

              In his pre-human existence, as the angel of the Lord, he spoke to Moses on behalf of YHWH. By your object, the angel of the LORD must be part of the Trinity.

              Exodus 3:2-4 (NASV) “2 The angel of the LORD appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed. 3 So Moses said, “I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up.” 4 When the LORD (YHWH) saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.”

              • Marc Taylor

                Peter,
                1 Corinthians 1:2 is also uses the expression “call upon the name of the Lord” which is taken from Joel 2:32 and it is applied unto the Lord Jesus.

                Peter applies YHWH from Psalm 34:8 unto the Lord Jesus in 1 Peter 2:3.

                In terms of Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 the authors do not make such a distinction as you wish to impose. They apply YHWH unto the Lord Jesus. All throughout the Bible idolatry was (and still is) a constant sin that enslaves people. God would not apply His most sacred Name unto a creature in such a direct way and then have us believe that Jesus really isn’t God. That would be deceptive.

                The Angel of the Lord is the pre-incarnate Christ. Notice this Messenger is worshiped in Genesis 48:16. This can’t be a case of Him being merely an agent or representative for Jacob was already in God’s presence (Genesis 48:15).

                • Peter K. (admin)

                  Marc,

                  If there were scriptures that clearly taught the Trinity, then at best we have a situation where Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 could be made to harmonize, however by themselves no one could find support for the Trinity without already coming to these verses with that preconceived point of view. You consider this a top proof?

                  I have four clarification questions for you:

                  1) Do you believe that Jesus and YHWH are the same person or two of three separate persons that make up the ONE GOD?

                  2) Do you believe that the “angel of the LORD” is the pre-incarnate Jesus in Genesis 48:16 and Exodus 3:2?

                  3) How do you explain that the law was delivered to Moses by angels plural (Acts 7:53, Galatians 3:19: Hebrews 2:2)? Would you says that the angels plural were YHWH and Jesus pre-incarnate?

                  4) Looking back in history since the Reformation, can you name more than one denominational Church (i.e. Baptists, Methodists, etc.) that were YHWH approved? Do Christians in the other churches go to Hell?

                  • Marc Taylor

                    If the Bible applied YHWH from the Old Testament unto the Lord Jesus just once that would be enough proof that He is YHWH. But it does so several times. This is the first proof.

                    The second proof is the fact that the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer for prayer is due unto God alone.

                    The third proof is that He is properly referred to as “my God” by Thomas (John 20:28)

                    The fourth proof is that He is worshiped in praise of His attributes (Revelation 5:12). One of those listed is “power”. This demonstrates that He is all-powerful which is the same thing as saying He is the Almighty.

                    In answer to your questions:
                    1. The 1 God is Triune – 3 distinct Persons.
                    2. Yes
                    3. The Hebrew word for “Messenger” in Genesis 48:16 is mal’ak. It could refer to created supernal beings (Psalm 148:2) as well as people (Joshua 6:17). The fact that this Messenger is worshiped demonstrates that He is God – created angels are never to be worshiped (Revelation 22:8-9). In the NT the same word for angel is applied unto created supernal beings (Luke 15:10), John the Baptist (Luke 7:27) and unto other people as well (Luke 9:52). So there is no problem that the Law was delivered to Moses by created supernal beings.
                    4. I am not very familiar with all the doctrines of each individual church of that era as well as ours. A Christian will never go to hell. They are children of God (saved).

                    • Peter K. (admin)

                      Marc

                      Your first proof: None of the scriptures you cited proved that Jesus was YHWH. I answered every one. So far your have zero scriptures proving that.

                      Your second proof: Praying to Jesus does not make Jesus YHWH. That is just your opinion.

                      Your third proof: Thomas calling Jesus theos (god) does not make Jesus YHWH. The bride of Christ will also be called theos (gods) per John 10:34.

                      Your fourth proof: In Rev 5:12, YHWH authorizing the worship of Jesus does not Make Jesus YHWH. How can Jesus be YHWH if he did not have ALL POWER until YHWH gave it to him? Matt 28:18 “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”

                      In my question #1, is it your view that YHWH is made up of three distinct persons? If so, then do you believe that the Father as a distinct person is NOT YHWH, but rather the combination of the three distinct persons together (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are YHWH?

                      On my question 3, You said, The fact that this Messenger is worshiped demonstrates that He is God.” No, The angel of the LORD was not YHWH, but rather his representative. Moses was worshipping YHWH through YWHW’s messenger. If you sent out a messenger to represent you, the messenger is not you. Since the law was conveyed to Moses through angels plural, how do you account for multiple angels if these angels are YHWH? (Galatians 3:19, Hebrews 2:2) That makes more than three person’s in the Trinity.

                      .

                      I look forward to your response on my Holy Spirit reply to you.

                    • Marc Taylor

                      Peter,
                      1. You asserted: Calling on the name of Jesus is the same as calling on the name of the LORD (YHWH) as Jesus is YHWH’s LOGOS / Chief Messenger / representative of God on earth.
                      My Response: Others have represented YHWH but no one is ever to be referred to as YHWH – unless they are YHWH. Huge difference.

                      2. You asserted: Praying to Jesus does not make Jesus YHWH. That is just your opinion.
                      My Response: It is not just my opinion. Jews who are serious about their religious beliefs know that only God is to be prayed to.
                      Judaism 101: The Shema can also be translated as “The L-rd is our G-d, The L-rd alone,” meaning that no other is our G-d, and we should not pray to any other.
                      http://www.jewfaq.org/g-d.htm

                      3. You asserted: Thomas calling Jesus theos (god) does not make Jesus YHWH. The bride of Christ will also be called theos (gods) per John 10:34.
                      My Response: This ignores the fact that the Lord Jesus is properly referred to as “my God” in John 20:28. “My God” is always used in the Bible in reference to the true God. The only two exceptions are when it refers to false gods (Isaiah 44:17; Daniel 4:8). So when Thomas referred to Jesus as such he knew what this meant – that the Lord Jesus is God in the absolute sense.

                      4. You asked: How can Jesus be YHWH if he did not have ALL POWER until YHWH gave it to him? Matt 28:18 “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”
                      My Response: Thus the Lord Jesus has (right now!) all power. That means He is the Almighty.
                      Theological Dictionary of the New Testament: Elsewhere, however, it is said of the Redeemer during His earthly life that He has laid aside His power and appeared in lowliness and humility, Mt. 11:29; 12:18-21; 2 C. 8:9; Phil. 2:5-8…Thus, when the full power of Jesus is occasionally mentioned during the time of His humiliation, it is merely a proleptic fact. A new situation is brought into being with the crucifixion and resurrection. The Chosen One seizes the full power which He had from the beginning of the world, Mt. 28:18 “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth” (TDNT 5:895, All, B. Reicke).

                      I answer to your questions:
                      1. Each Person is fully God. For example, the fullness of Deity dwells in Christ (Colossians 2:9) He is fully God – so to with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
                      2. In Genesis 48:16 the Messenger is being worshiped. It is not worship “through” the Messenger, but “to” the Messenger. If I sent a messenger the messenger is not me. I agree. The Lord Jesus is not the Father. Please cite a passage where any other messenger/created angel was properly worshiped. This you can’t do.

                    • Chris Jonns

                      Peter,
                      Why are you still encouraging hi? Hes here to argue. He just calls its contending for the faith. When you search out those to refute that’s just arguing. Jesus didnt do that. He refuted them as the came. I would let him believe what he wants and when he comes back in the ressurection he’ll learn the truth then. If he wants to believe in trinity, hellfire, immortality of the soul, antichrist, 7 year trib, rapture and mark of the beast and all the typical doctrines of Baptists then let him. It’s a waste of time to even engage him anymore. Each denomination has their scriptures for what they believe and they contradict themselves.

                    • Marc Taylor

                      If there is something that exists in this site which says something like “if you disagree with us then don’t post here” then I wouldn’t post. If I am asked by the administration not to post then I wouldn’t post.
                      Apollos argued in public with the Jews (Acts 18:28). The internet is public. As far as I can tell this site is also public.

                    • Chris Johns

                      Marc
                      Apollos went to spread the good news of Jesus Christ. He ran into the Jews who wanted to argue and he debated them. You are not like apollos as in you came here to argue and debate. Read for yourself.

                      “Apollos had been thinking about going to Achaia, and the brothers and sisters in Ephesus encouraged him to go. They wrote to the believers in Achaia, asking them to welcome him. When he arrived there, he proved to be of great benefit to those who, by God’s grace, had believed.
                      He refuted the Jews with powerful arguments in public debate. Using the Scriptures, he explained to them that Jesus was the Messiah.”
                      Acts 18:27,18
                      Acts

                    • Chris Johns

                      Marc,
                      Like we said. You believe what you want. I believe Jesus when he said “I Am ascending to my God.” If they were both one God this scripture would mean two Gods because Jesus was already resurrected when he said this. We refute John 20:28 using Greek Grammwr but you still use the same arguments. God doesnt have a God. Like I said believe what you want. I believe the Bible when it says “There is One God and one Mediator between God and man.” Not taking small things from OT and NT and making a conclusion. If the trinity so important it would be a direct teaching and not hidden in random passages and then having a conclusion drawn.

                      Have a great evening.

                    • Marc Taylor

                      Chris,

                      The good news (gospel) includes calling on the name of Jesus as being YHWH (Romans 10:8, 13) Apollos debated the Jews who denied that Jesus is YHWH and I am debating here with others who believe the same as the Jews in this area. John 20:28 was not refuted with Greek grammar, so that is totally incorrect. This is why the BDAG (3rd Edition) one of the best Greek lexicons in the world claims that theos “certainly refers to Christ” (theos, page 450).
                      The belief that God is Triune is direct, so there is nothing hidden. I mentioned above how the religious Jews knew that only God is to be prayed to and I cited a link for it. Here are two other sources (many more can be supplied if need be):
                      1. New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis: To pray is an act of faith in the almighty and gracious God who responds to the prayers of his people (4:1062, Prayer, P. A. Verhoef).
                      2. New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology: In prayer we are never to forget whom we are addressing: the living God, the almighty one with whom nothing is impossible, and from whom therefore all things may be expected (2:857, Prayer, H. Schonweiss).
                      As I have written before, if there was just one instance that the Lord Jesus was the proper recipient of prayer would demonstrate that He is God. The fact that the Bible teaches that He is the proper recipient of prayer in quite a few passages strengthens even further His position being the Almighty.

  • Marc Taylor

    Hi Peter,

    I was thinking in terms of a physical body.

    Can you please explain the difference between Trinitarian and Tri-unitarian.

  • ari m davies

    This is our arimatthewdavies again the year is 2018 I would like to speak a little more about the Holy Spirit now the Bible says that God created Man In His Image male and female he made them so then let’s skip over to Romans chapter one where it tells us that the invisible things of God can be clearly seen by the things that he has created even his eternal power and godhead so men have no excuse essentially what does this mean let us be frank here and not mince words if God created Man In His Image male and female and Jehovah God is the father and Jesus Christ is his favorite number one son then the Holy Spirit must be the mother image in the family of God in further support of this idea I’m going to let you in on a little something that Jesus said that kind of gives this whole thing away Jesus said all manner of speech I can forgive against me but if you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven in this life nor the next now let us take Jesus Christ and dress him up in a red neck shirt blue jeans and a hat and will give him some redneck English here we go hey you can talk about me all you want but if you talk about my momma I’m going to whoop your butt! See that similarity there Jesus didn’t say that for nothing I’m not saying that God is made of Flesh but the male female and child is the divine order and God wants us to understand this God is not a three-headed God a Brahma Shiva and Vishnu! God is a father he has a wife like image he has many children both angelic and man who he has created and Through the Years I have come to understand the mothering of the Holy Spirit I was truly entertained by the movie and the book The Shack because the man that dreamed up this story actually added a down-home flavor to the god family well anyway I’ve spoken on the Holy Spirit many of times before and all I can say is be nice to Mom she cares about you be nice to Father Jehovah he doesn’t want to be your disciplinarian and get along with your older senior brother the king Jesus Christ hope this doesn’t rattle anybody’s cage again it’s just my opinion

  • Ari Matthew davies

    Dear administration. The holy spirit is a spirit with Jehovah’s direction behind it. Its not a person because you must have a body to be a person. But the holy sport is not mindless energy. It has Jehovah’s direction I can’t or won’t attempt to convince you of who or what the holy spirit is. Only Jehovah god or jesus can show you who or what it or him is.I ask only one thing of you pray to Jehovah god in jesus name to receive the holy spirit for 30 days. After that time would you please email me and tell me if you still believe that the holy spirit is only an energy force.I won’t say one more word. Thank you.

    • Marc Taylor

      Hello Ari,
      Concerning the Holy Spirit you wrote, ” Its not a person because you must have a body to be a person.”

      Trinitarians correctly affirm the Holy Spirit is a Person. He has a mind (Romans 8:27), emotions (Ephesians 4:30) and a will (1 Corinthians 12:11). Notice He refers to Himself as “Me” in Acts 13:2. Furthermore, I would add that the wicked spirits are personal beings even though they don’t have bodies (Mark 9:25; Acts 19:15).

      • Peter K. (admin)

        Marc – Wicked spirits do have spirit bodies. What scripture says spirits do not have bodies? They are the fallen Angel’s bound in chains of darkness.(2 Pet 2:4; Jude 1:6)

        Are you a Trinitarian or Tri-unitarian?

      • Peter K. (admin)

        Marc,

        Consider this in response to your arguments about the Holy Spirit.

        Nothing in any of the various titles and descriptions of the holy Spirit substantiates the popular conception of the holy Spirit as a third God. The various designations, “Spirit of Truth,”“Spirit of Love,” etc., are plainly used in contrast with the opposite spirit, “The Spirit of Fear,” “The Spirit of Bondage,” “The Spirit of the World,” “The Spirit of Divination,” “The Spirit of Error,” “The Spirit of Slumber,” “The Spirit of Antichrist.” There is no more justification for saying that the holy Spirit is a divine person than for saying that these descriptions of the wrong spirit or disposition represent one or more additional devils.

        John 14:26 is often cited to prove that the holy Spirit is a person, because this verse has been wrongly translated as follows:

        John 14:26 “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.?

        The use of the personal pronoun “whom” in the above text is unwarranted, reflecting simply the translators’ prejudice. The word translated “whom” is in the neuter form and should have been translated “which”; and the pronoun translated “he” (ekeinos) in the passage is masculine to agree with the word rendered “comforter,” which is masculine even if the comforter is inanimate. (For example, in French, a knife would be spoken of as “he,” a fork as “she.” It would be just as logical to insist that a fork is a person because the word fork is feminine in French, as to claim that the comforter is a person because the word is masculine in Greek.) The Emphatic Diaglott gives a better rendering:

        John 14:26 “But the Helper, the holy Spirit, which the Father will send in my name, shall teach you all things, and remind you of all things which I said unto you.”

        A similarly incorrect use of personal pronouns occurs in John 14:17. The Diaglott, however, renders it thus:

        John 14:17 “…the Spirit of Truth, which the world cannot receive, because it beholds it not, nor knows it; but you know it; because it abides with you, and will be in you.”

        The use of the personal pronoun heautou, translated “himself” in John 16:13, does not at all prove the personality of the holy Spirit; for in this case the Greek pronoun simply follows its noun, Comforter, which is masculine. In Greek, as in many other languages, the pronoun agrees with the gender of its noun, regardless of sex or personality. One might just as well cite 1 Corinthians 13:4, 5, Charity…seeketh not her (heautes) own,” to prove that charity is a person, as to claim that the use of heautou proves the personality of the holy Spirit.

        As illustrations of the translation of the word heautou in the neuter form, in our Common Version, note the following:

        As the branch cannot bear fruit itself—John 15:4

        The whole body makes increase of the body to the edifying of itself in love.—Eph. 4:16
        The same principle is true of the personal pronoun which is translated “he” in John 16:13.

        • Marc Taylor

          Peter,

          1. You asserted: Nothing in any of the various titles and descriptions of the holy Spirit substantiates the popular conception of the holy Spirit as a third God.
          My Response: I agree. He is not a third God. He is God.

          2. You ignored every one of the passages I cited that demonstrates the personality and Supreme Deity of the Holy Spirit.

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