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Is Christmas Pagan? Does it’s celebration anger Jehovah?

What attitude should those who want to please Jehovah have during the Christmas season?  Should this celebration be totally rejected because it is considered to have pagan connections?  Can we be condemned for wanting to study and meditate upon our Lord Jesus and his birth?  Many experience the joy of giving gifts to others as well as celebrating the greatest gift of all, our Savior Jesus Christ and the gift he gave for mankind.  Yet more sobering is the commercialism of holiday and consumerism, i.e. Black Friday, Cyber Monday, etc.  Our dilemma is the resulting conflict.  We don’t want to be caught up in the way the world deals with Christ’s birth.  There is also the question of resolving the true date of Jesus’ birth.

Here what Chicago Bible Students Elder, Russ Marten, had to say about this by clicking here:    Christian Perspective On Christ And Christmas_Marten-Russ_2011-12-04_D_24k

Also note the following:

In The Time is at Hand, Vol. 2 of the Studies in the Scriptures on page 61 it discusses the date of the birth of Christ. It says “…we could not be certain that the exact day might not be in September about the 27th, but October 1st, B.C. 2, is about correct. Nine months back of that date would bring us to about Christmas time, B.C. 3, as the date at which our Lord laid aside the glory which he had with the Father before the world was [made] and the taking of or changing to human nature began. It seems probable that this was the origin of the celebration of December 25th as Christmas Day. Some writers on Church history claim, even, that Christmas Day was originally celebrated as the date of the annunciation by Gabriel ”

In the December 15, 1903 Watchtower, Brother Russell wrote concerning Christmas:  “…we remember that all of these glories and blessings and privileges are ours because of the great redemptive work accomplished by him whose entrance upon the work is celebrated by Christmas day. Although we cannot agree that this is the proper day for celebrating the birth of our dear Redeemer, but must insist that it was about October first, nevertheless since he did not intimate his desire that we should celebrate his birthday it is quite immaterial upon what day that event, of so great importance to all, is celebrated. Upon this day, so generally celebrated, we may properly enough join with all whose hearts are in the attitude of love and appreciation toward God and toward the Savior.”

64 comments to Is Christmas Pagan? Does it’s celebration anger Jehovah?

  • Mimi

    SO how do you guys feel about birthdays in general? I couldn’t find any explanation on the website. The JWs don’t celebrate them because the 2 times it’s mentioned in the Bible bad things happened to Jehovah’s people. So how do you guys feel about it? Thanks! 🙂

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Mimi Bible students celebrate birthdays if they want to like the general population. Only witnesses really stop and think of birthdays as an issue.
      Some witnesses do and have always celebrated birthdays even in Bethel.
      The gb simply says mature Christians dont celebrate birthdays.
      It is really not a faith issue as there is no mention of a prohibition on the celebration in scripture. Read the story carefully and you will see the gb missed the entire reason for this being in the Bible. It all lead to a forefather of Christ being preserved. Neither account is discussing birthdays but what happened in the plans dealing with Christ.
      Also lots of answers can be found to the rught under the Christmas article and the Answers articles.
      Take care

      • Mimi

        Hi Jaqueline,
        Read what story carefully? And I asked my friend about people in bethel celebrating he says no witness celebrates birthdays. That it goes against bible principle. Just because it doesn’t mention it by name it does not make it ok. Since there are a lot of things not mentioned clearly one must use discernment. And it was a pagan celebration and both accounts mentioned, Jehovah’s people were hurt. I would like to get more knowledge into this. What are your bible understanding of this and why it should be ok? Thanks!

        • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

          Hi Mimi, In the case of John the Baptist. It explained how what Jesus said about him being a lesser one in the Kingdom arrangement is understood. He died before the price was paid and therefore couldn’t enter heaven. Matt 11:11 Although not a history book as such but a book to build faith and reveal God, this passage also gives us some historical background on the inappropriate marriage.
          Genesis 40:20 shows that although satan has continually tried to kill Joseph, this shows how he was preserved by the cupbearer being preserved and later remembering Joseph to the king. The baker was probably the one trying to poison the king and not the cupbearer.
          Later we know how Joseph was able to bring about the saving of his father, brothers and thus the nation of Israel was born and the Christ line was preserved. The Bible is about Christ and the revealing of God. These passages aren’t about not celebrating birthdays.
          If fact people celebrated birthdays and the writer didn’t feel a need to even explain birthdays because it was just a natural occasion with humans.
          The brother who told you that isn’t aware of some witnesses always celebrating kids birthdays or haven’t been a witness very long.
          No one did anything to anyone in the 50’s or 60’s when I grew up and lots of witnesses celebrated milestone birthdays. Even in the seventies some did and it prompted the watchtower to say “Mature Christians” don’t celebrate birthdays. You can search the page on jwfacts.com to find that watchtower or just ask someone that have been a witness for at least 60years or I know Bethel will answer the phone and question if you call them.
          Mimi, if you personally don’t want to celebrate birthdays, may I suggest you not do so as it isn’t good to violate your conscience.
          You asked what we believe, this is the answer our brothers will give you to not violate your conscience on birthdays.
          It is not a salvation issue and is not discussed in the Bible.
          Jehovah however celebrated his son’s birthday in the biggest way ever done on planet earth. HE HAD ANGELS SING. What a happy day and he sent shepherds to go see his son in the manger.
          Why even nearly two years later the astronomers of the day brought gifts for this born saviour. The gifts would be a help when poor Joseph and his little family fled to Egypt.
          Matt 2:1 says they saw “his star” as it rose. And after they delivered the gifts to sustain them then the sender of that star Jehovah led told them to go another way. There is not indication in scripture that His Star came from satan as was taught to me by the witnesses.

          Mimi you asked what Bible students believe, I have told you what I see in scripture as a student searching the Bible. You make see it differently and it is not my desire to change your mind on a matter of conscience. This is not a salvation issue.

          Please go here to first listen to a former Jw elder explain Christian liberty that we as students have.
          Then scroll down to see the Christmas article that will give you more insight on what the scriptures teach.
          Other brothers may have something to say but this is how I view birthdays. This is not to say you have to, but I enjoyed the discussion. Take care Jacqueline
          PS: Mimi I might not see your answer as I am traveling to see a Jehovah witness uncle who was 98 years old this month and is dying. All of my family mostly are still witnesses (elders, etc) and made particular notice of his birthday on our private family page. I also will travel on to a convention this weekend, so please if someone else answers for me, accept it as the answer. Thank you

          • Mimi

            HI jaqueline, you threw me off with mat 11:11. I do not quite understand what this has to do with birthdays

            • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

              John was killed on the other birthday mentioned in the Bible. He died before Jesus died and therefore heaven was not open for him although there was none greater than John the baptist. Giving us the account about him being beheaded at the party explains what Jesus meant at Matt. 11:11.
              Jesus could have stopped John’s death but Matt. here shows he knew John would die at the birthday event. That is the connection. Sorry if I just assumed you would get this connection.

            • Lee Anthony (Brandon)

              Forgot to note that according to history both secular and Jewish, birthday celebrations are of pagan origin so not just because bad things happened but more ao i think because of its roots. I would definately say that if it is something you feel is not acceptable then stay far from it. I know some who are neither Jw or Bs that dont celebrate.

          • Mimi

            Also since they were astronomers (god hates magic and spiritual etc) doesn’t it make sense also that perhaps that star was being guided from Satan? Since he wanted Jesus dead and tried every way of making that happen. Of course god prevented that from happening because it was not the time. But it does t mean Satan wasn’t working hard. And these magis were a tool Satan was using. Just for th fact that Jehovah condemn anything of that sort Deuteronomy 18:14 Galatians 5: 19-21.

            • Lee Anthony (Brandon)

              One thing to note is that if they were astronomers then this of course is not condemned yet astrology certainly is. I cant say for certain either way but I do know if satan did try using them it failed him. He certainly used Herod and Herod tried getting the men to return yet they were told in a dream not to (Matt 2:12). Herod actually used the scriptures to find out where Jesus was to be born after hearing the men call it “his star” and ask where the king of the jews was. (Matt 2:2-5). So scripture does indicate satan using herod and the scriptures yet the wise men and the star it indicates being tools of Jehovah. (Matt 2:13-17). Either way it goes all of this was prophecied as matt 2 shows and therefore no doubt would be fulfilled as it was so the argument here really matters little as in times past God has used many who were not his worshippers to fulfill his purposes.

              • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

                What are “Magi”?

                The original Greek in Matthew 2 calls the men who came to visit Jesus magoi. The text reveals that they had the wealth and knowledge to travel and offer lavish gifts; they also had knowledge about the stars (“We have seen his star in the east…”). The only other occurrence of the Greek word magos is in Acts 13:6, where it is translated “magician,” meaning one who practices sorcery. The Greek Old Testament has an occurrence of magos (Daniel 2:2), and there it also means “magician.” Fortunately, other ancient literature helps us to understand who the Magi were. From the Jewish historian Josephus, the Greek historian Herodotus, and the writings of Strabo, a clearer picture of the people called the Magi appears. The Magi first appear about the 7th century B.C. in the Median empire (Herodotus I, ci). At the time of the birth of Jesus, the Magi were an ancient priestly caste dwelling within the Parthian empire, a large area to the east of the eastern frontier of the Roman Empire.These priests practiced astrology, which at the time was a hybrid of astrology and what we now call astronomy
                They were adept at interpreting dreams (which we possibly get a flavor of in Daniel 2). At the time just prior to the birth of our Lord, the Magi formed the upper house of the Megistanes council, whose duties included the election of the king of the Parthian empire (Strabo, XI, ix, 3). Thus, the Magi at this time were possibly “kingmakers.”

                What scripture passages tell us about the Magi?

                Only Matthew 2:1-18. Some Christians have thought that Isaiah 60:1-7 is a prophecy of the Wise Men since it speaks of kings coming to “the brightness of your rising” (60:3) and [bearing] gifts of “gold and frankincense” (60:6). Others have viewed Psalm 72:10 as referring to the Magi. However, since the New Testament doesn’t identify these explicitly as prophecies of the Magi, we cannot be certain. Furthermore, Matthew is fond of telling his readers when an event in Jesus’ life is a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. Therefore, the fact that Matthew doesn’t do this in the case of the Magi is an argument against Isaiah 60:1-7 or Psalm 72:10 being Magi prophecies. read more here… http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/christianity/2004/12/who-were-the-magi.aspx

                Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/christianity/2004/12/who-were-the-magi.aspx#IbgwkOXWOpEv7b5x.99

            • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

              The Magi were men of science in that day. We call them astronomers or scientist. Magician is sorcery, astrology as viewed today is like fortune telling so to speak. (although not exactly) A planetarian would have astronomers not astrology the zodiac thing.
              There is more evidence for the star being from Jehovah and none in scripture as it being from satan. His star and the fact Jehovah got the goods delivered and talked to them in a dream. If God hated the Magi as astrologist he didn’t seem like it when he came to them in a dream. They were not offended either it seems, HE probably in a dream told them the significance of this star, “HIS STAR”.
              In times pass Jehovah used dreams, in fact Joel says in the last days this would happen.
              Where except in JW literature would you see the thought that this was satan? It had already been foretold that the boy and family would flee to Egypt but Joseph and Mary were poor as shown by the turtledove presented on the presentation of the baby to the priest.
              So Jehovah simply put in place these rich men to give Joseph money to escape and live in Egypt. That is how I have viewed this scripture all my life even as a witness for 63 years. I never felt God couldn’t cause darkness to blacken that star, I always felt the birthday celebration for this special King baby was going on. God celebrated his son’s birthday.
              Mimi, I guess I am not so much about birthdays as I grew up a witness and knew there were families even servants that wives celebrated milestone birthdays when the kids were little. Birthdays were celebrated in Bethel and there is an actual picture of the Bethel family and Rutherford with the Christmas tree. These however are not biblical salvation issues. Birthdays were celebrated by Jehovah witnesses in the 40’s, 50’s and sixties. I was getting older and so were my friends and we never thought about them as teen agers except sweet sixteen when all Jehovah witness girls could start receiving company from a brother (courting) your day calls it dating.
              Since the governing body and the evolution of the organization, your life has changed as to restrictions. This is not your grandma religion.
              This religion would not be recognized by my mother who died in 1988 or my father 1959 or my grandfather 1966 who is from Br. Russell.
              Also Mimi do not violate your conscience on this matter if I may suggest because it is not discussed in the Bible as a prohibition as many matters of life and living aren’t.
              The organization has sucked the life out of human experiences since it’s inception. I was baptized before the 1985 questions that baptized you into an earthly organization. Which means we older ones have never lived under the restrictions put on witnesses today.
              The brother that told you witnesses never celebrated birthdays probably has never visited Bethel and saw the photo with the xmas tree as you toured.
              914) 878-7000 I believe is still the number you can call and discuss this with someone in the service committee, hopefully it isn’t a young person and you get one that will access the non printed watchtowers from old to answer you. Go here to read more about this:http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2014/12/14/was-j-f-rutherford-the-grinch-the-stole-christmas/
              Go here and read all of the articles to get an over all view Mimi: http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/category/christmas-2/
              Br. Marten answers the question as to whether God is angry over celebrating Christ Birthday.
              Jehovah would not have had that celebration if he would be bothered about us celebrating our children”s birth with our Baby showers.
              BTW, ALL Jehovah witnesses celebrate a baby’s birth with a baby shower either before or after the birth.
              Take Care Mimi

              • Mimi

                Jaqueline, hmm interesting, thank you for your interpretation i will definitely use it to help with my own research regarding this topic. Well he didn’t say never he said they currently do not, no JWs do. But yes they did celebrate it before the “light became clearer”. I appreciate your time. I will look into this. Thanks!

                • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

                  You are welcome Mimi, I applaud your openness and thinking ability. That is all most witnesses want to do is see what does the Bible really say on this subject and not be afraid to ask and voice what you think also. You keep it up. The Holy Spirit will help you understand if you ask for it from Jehovah. Read or listen to John 12:- 17: and you will see we can get it’s help since Christ has died. I don’t know anything about persons I am talking to but I perceive you are a young one. If so my hat off to you. I like it. I can be blount and rushed sometimes but I am working on that. I have signed up for the scientology page because I know personally some of the players in that hot mess, having traveled in that circle for many years.
                  Also read what I posted to Brandon about the Magi, because the birth of Christ sort of signals to a Christian about births. The Angels jumped up in applause when they saw the Man Adam. Birth is a miracle and parents just love celebrating it with their kids until a certain age then the parents get milestone years. It bring families together like at Thanksgiving. Don’t let anyone suck the fun, closeness and happiness out of life for you. Enjoy with the bounds of Christ. Take Care. I am with a client and got to pack for travel, been a busy day for me. In Christ.

  • James

    I was raised in several Protestant faiths, even Catholic Mass and study with Mormans, Sevenday Adventist, and was taught my Bible by from a retired Baptist Minister of over 30 years and who is now the Dean of Religion at a well known University and an author and studies about (The History of Christianity with the Conversion of Constantine, when the god’s of Olympus Lost Their Dominion over early Christians) “34,000 separate Christian groups have been identified in the world. “Over half of them are independent churches that are not interested in linking with the big denominations.”(1)-{Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life} I always wondered why their where so many different religions? He admitted to me that for most religions out there in the world whether claiminig to be Christian, Muslim, Jews, Buddhist, Shinto, Hindu, Tribal Pagan, even those claiming to be nondenominational, that if their preachers, priest, ministers, pastors, rabbis, vodo or witch (medicine men) doctors, or spiritual leaders do not teach the certain people of whatever their belief is, then they usually get fired or the once so-called believers just split off and form another kind of religous group like I have seen for example, in my town, there are to many 1st Baptist Churches or 2nd Baptist Churches as well as with the other so-called christian churches just to have their ears tickled to hear what they want to hear. The true faith is decribed as the one in the Bible by a number of scriptures, like at: 1 Peter 3:8 “Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another ; love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:” So they all believe and are taught the same Bible truths. Even as a historian, I even know that their can not be 2 sets of truths. They seem to always be divided by either race, economic, social status, even politics Especially, when I read in the Bible at:John 13:35 “By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” And I know from my study of the Bible that Jesus’ disciples would be in “one mind” really showing this earth wide would be proving this other scripture true at: Ephesians 4:4-6 “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling ; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” And that these Jesus Christ’s disciples would would be seen by following Christ’s command to his disciples this scripture at: Matthew 28:18-20 “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name [or my name] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost : teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you : and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” What was the main theme of Christ’s teaching? It was his Father’s Kingdom! Matthew 6:9-13 “After this manner therefore pray ye : Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:…” So Jesus’ disciples would be teaching only what Jesus Christ taught them that was the only hope for mankind, God’s Kingdom! Not what Jesus’ was against which the majority of all the different denominations of churches teach which are traditions of men, going beyond what He had commanded, found at: Matthew 15:3 “But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?” & Matthew 15:9 “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” These traditions that most of you wasting your time on arguing about were known by even our foundind fathers “Shocking as it sounds, followers of Jesus Christ in both America and England helped pass laws making it illegal to observe Christmas, believing it was an insult to God to honor a day associated with ancient paganism,” according to “Shocked by the Bible” (Thomas Nelson Inc, 2008). “Most Americans today are unaware that Christmas was banned in Boston from 1659 to 1681.”
    All Christmas activities, including dancing, seasonal plays, games, singing carols, cheerful celebration and especially drinking were banned by the Puritan-dominated Parliament of England in 1644, with the Puritans of New England following suit. Christmas was outlawed in Boston, and the Plymouth colony made celebrating Christmas a criminal offense, according to “Once Upon a Gospel” (Twenty-Third Publications, 2008).” As true Christians we are not suppose to lie. So why lie to your kids about Santa Claus. We should sow Christ Jesus that we are glad that he was born everyday. John 3:16, and preach what Jesus did at: John 17:25,26 “O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee : but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it ; that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.” Theses disciples would have to be very organized like their heavenly Father, Almighty God, to accomplish this – 1 Corinthians 15:43 “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” When one honestly look at the scriptures at Matthew 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations ; and then shall the end come.” and at Acts 1:1-3 “The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen : to whom also he showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:” and and Acts 1:7,8 “And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you : and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” Jesus knew there would be false teachers trying to make themselves like they have the real truth. But do they teach traditions of men, false doctrines formed around the time of Constantine (300’s AD). Jesus warned them at: Matthew 7:22-23 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven ; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name ? and in thy name have cast out devils ? and in thy name done many wonderful works ? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you : depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
    As far as all these proven histoical materialistic pagan holidays that Satan would love to corrupt pure worship, we need to temeber 1 Corinthians 10:21 “Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils : ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.” So we all need to be doing this and because there has to be some group of people out there, no matter what their past history people claim to judge them on, because even Peter denide Christ 3 times, because I pray God does not Judge me on the things that I was wrong in doing in the past but what I am doing now and commend all to do as James 2:17-26 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. ¶ Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works : show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God ; thou doest well : the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead ? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar ? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect ? And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness : and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way ? For as the body without the spirit [or, breath] is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
    So, is there one a group out there that fits these Bibilical criteria at: Ephesians 4:4-6 “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling ; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” ?????? Thanks!

    Here is a YouTube video on this subject by Drew Cary at the Presidential White House Dinner:


  • Daz

    Hi Peter & Jacqueline, as always you both made some very valid points, thankyou.
    I just feel that Christmas & birthdays tend to lean more to pagan practices, from what I have read from researching it a while back as I wanted to find out for myself & not just take the organisation or Jw’s word for it. If I am wrong & alternative 100% proof can be given then I will gladly look at it & reconsider my views if I feel it stands firm. I agree that your own concience does come into it too. Jw’s do tend to really lay it on thick regarding Christmas & birthdays but if it’s something you have always celebrated & have fond memories then it is very difficult to give up. I agree that u must not judge others as it it not our place to do so.

    Warm & loving regards,

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of how Jws reason on celebrating holidays, check this out…http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102003687#h=0:0-19:45

  • That people in the USA go for such ” Holiday’s” looks more that they want it….it has nothing to do with Jesus his thinking’s and even they lie about the Gospel.As Bible Student am fully agreed with the position of the JW Society to be no part in this “Mickey Mouse” doings. Charles Taze Russel and even Rutherford could see that it was build on the lies of the Vatican Institution. They even have many lacks to tackle it asap. There is no reason for True Christians to be involved in it, no excuse to be even part of it. When you look for excuses to celebrate such lies, than not call yourself a ” Bible Student” more.Think how Jesus Think and not how Satan think what is dark is now Light. The world-ruler and his Influence. There is NO God Bless America ( US ) so even NO God bless Israel

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Willibrordus – If you persoanally decided to make Oct 1 a day you wanted to dedicate to especially remembering Jesus birth and you and your family read together the Bible verses, do you feel Jehovah would be angry at you for this?

      • The Bible not mention about the Date, Jesus never order later to make such idiot pagan celebration. So what is the excuse to celebrate something what is neither ordered by Jesus Christ neither by Jehovah God ? The background of this festival came even from the pagan Roman Empire, which founded the Church Roman Catholic. When Peter K. look for excuses to be associated by such low level celebrations, how he can be Holy to God? No the WTC make the only right decision, cut off and stay away. Am agreed in this case with the WTC …..I hate this celebration even when I was not a Christian….hypocrite people celebrate such only.

        • Willibrordus van der Weide,
          In some ways I can agree with you but being that your comments are not very Chistlike and rather obnoxious I question any of your motives. I celebrate the birth of my Savior not with a tree or other trappings. Just as Jehovah celebrated along with the angels. You have the Christian Liberty not to. But your remarks are rather rude. That is why I question your motives. A true follower of Christ would not make such derogatory statements.

          • The reason Jehovah’s Witnesses avoid celebrating Christmas is the same reason that it is believed that Jesus died on a stake. The symbol of the cross is pagan.

            Wasn’t it pagans who killed Jesus?

            Yet, there are things that have pagan origins that Jehovahs Witnesses keep, such as the names of the months and the names of the days of the week all which have origins in the mythology of pagan gods.

            Interestingly enough, at the same time the Witnesses started to attempt to discard everything pagan, that they created a new calendar. In the 1930s the Witnesses attempted to recalculate the date from the Christ, they renamed the days of the week, and the names of months.

            It was so confusing that it was dropped soon thereafter.

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Willibordus – How do you feel Jehovah will judge Christians who celebrate Jesus birth on the wrong date?

          Do you feel wedding rings are okay even if they seem to have pagan origins?

        • Jacqueline

          Hi Willibrordus van der Weide, how are you. We haven’t heard from you in quite a while, hope you and the others are doing fine. Our language and your choice of words sometimes comes across a little harsh to our ear. I know you speak another language and that you are a mixture of Jehovah witnesses but use the Studies in the Scriptures and use the New, New World Translation of the bible. So I am going to list your website so others may go there to see who you are. I find it very different your approach but if it works for you then I am okay with it. http://www.condit-energy.org.
          I find the more we know about each other the better we can respect the way each see the scriptures. The witnesses don’t have the freedom and liberty that Christ gave us to deviate from what the governingbody thinks or feels is the right thing for them.
          Jeff M. brought out some very good points on how they are not consistent with avoiding what they feel is pagan. We however feels that is their freedom not to celebrate or whatever. Those are smokescreens that take people away from the important teaching of Christ, that is why the Jwitnesses seek to control their members with dabbling into their personal lives on celebrations and bedroom laws etc. It keeps them from having time to study the doctrines and their inconsistencies.
          I have found that most witnesses like it that way for someone to select and package in a box and put a gift wrapped bow on understanding of the Bible, that way they don’t have to think or have a personal relationship with God.
          Most witnesses I know would be lost if they closed the watchtower society today. They wouldn’t know how to get to God thru Jesus as they have always put the governingbody in the place of Jesus. In the future all will however learn the truth about God without error.
          Have a nice day Willibrordus. I think the readers will probably come back to comment on what they see on your site. It is interesting I must say.

          • Daz

            Well explained Jaqueline. Thing is alot of Jwitnesses genuinely do believe they have go a relationship with God, I believe that some do & are battling with their consciences or just outright fearful to deviate from what they have known for so long. If there is a way out for these ones then I am sure Jehovah God will make it known BUT at the end of the day THEY are the ones that have to take that leap of faith, nobody else can do it for them. Regarding Christmas celebrations we have decided as a family not to partake in it, my wife & I will do something fun with the kids during the holiday, they don’t miss out because they get gifts from us all through the year! Ee sat them down & discussed it once again & they were in agreement & happy to do things this way. The most important thing I feel is to not go against your on conscience, some may be ok with celebrating it & I am not in a position to judge as is not my place but some like myself may not feel they want to. I remember & celebrate Christ everyday, in my heart, in prayer, in my study & in my sharing of the scpiptures.

            Warm & loving regards,

            • Jacqueline

              Daz I have never celebrated CXhristmas therefore I don’t miss it, neither does any of my children or grandchildren. I liken it to Muslim that don’t really know anything about Christ so they wouldn’t miss acknowledging him.
              This holiday celebration stuff doesn’t really matter, it is a diversion away from focusing on Christ. There are many person’s that celebrate christmas just to give the children presents and family get together. Some don’t have a tree and have a limit on gift giving, even having to make the gift. So really there are real life issues to focus on in the org to me like giving talks and being vigilant and open on the pedophilia issue. Making sure of the Bible’s view on armageddon, judgement day and character transformation instead of conformation. If they concentrated on these things the person’s conscience would do the rest, Holy Spirit will help them.
              Daz, your children want you and your wife more than they want to celebrate Christmas, you don’t miss something that you never had. It is nice to be able to express ourselves isn’t it? I just love this!

              • Daz

                Hi Jacqueline, thankyou for such a great reply, I agree with you. The most important thing to children is that they feel & know they are loved.
                I hope you have been keeping well Jacqueline x

                Warm & loving regards,

        • Willibrordus,
          Greetings in Christ!
          I want to apologize for my previous comments. I have visited your site and what a wonderful thing it is that you are doing. I now understand that the language barrier is why I questioned the wording and vocabulary of your post. That was my mistake. Again, I am sorry. Keep up the good work!

  • Tomica

    I notice some people who don’t celebrate birthdays try to say that the few times that it was mentioned in the Bible, that only bad things happen on those days.Like the chopping off of people head on their birthday….well bad things have happen on every date of the year. After reading scriptues I realize that there is nothing wrong wih celebrating bithdays……..What is the understanding you all get from Jerimiah 10:1-10.When I read this scripture I learned that they did not decorate the tree like a christmas tree you would find in a home now days on christmas,but they carved it into an idol and then decorated it with gold and silver and they Worshiped it. All this time I thought they decorated it as soon as they cut it down, never really paying attention to the scripture. Would it still be wrong to have a christmas tree if you are not worshiping it and is just using it for decoration on christmas?…I am still researching this topic so I can’t answer this question because I don’t want to lean upon my on understanding but the understanding that God wants me to have is what my heart desire. I am just starting to really get into my bible the way that I need to so I may not be as Bible Literate(lol) as most of you may be, but I am trying and I will get there. I would love for everyone to comment,nomatter the religion because it’s not about religion and at the end of the day we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

    Hey Jacqueline!!!! It’s me Tomica from your home Town!!!! I really enjoyed talking to you this past week. It was truely a blessing! I look foward to speaking with you again…..I will try not to call too much LOL!

    • Jacqueline

      Tomica, Hello, I am at the convention now. I arrived this morning and will stay overnite till Monday. I will go and wave during break. (I should stay from in front of a camera(:) ). I enjoyed our convesation and hope to have many more.
      I will look over the scripture you mentioned at the end of the day and comment. I will plug my RV in at one of the brethren home tonite and I will answer then.
      If you can go online at the convention, I will mouse over your name and start a private chat. Hope to see one of the days. We have a full house on day one. In Christ’ name, Jacqueline

  • Ken

    Personally I side with caution. I don’t mind having a dinner with friends or family during Holiday season or birthdays but that’s my extent of it

  • max

    To all interested;

    How off a major news station this afternoon. A few different speakers. The Egyptians celebrated gift giving and the other things long before Jesus was born. It was called Saturnilea. And Christians because they wanted to convert more people adopted it.

    Then the next one said it was not done or fought against up to the third and fourth century.

    They then mentioned how the date came about. A belief that he was conceived on the day he would die. Nisan 14 or 15 according to a Jewish calender. Back to March 25 on the Roman calender.

    After that the lady announcer commented that it was probaly in the fall because the shepards were in the field.

    So what do I think of the Pastor? Well, take a look at the early chosen ones. They had the truth and true religion when Jesus showed up. Remember how Jesus would continually remind them and say who ever wants to be greatest much be the one who ministers to others. Just one example. After he died the early congregation had a few problems that came up. Circu mcision. And some other things which were in their old religion.

    When the Pastor was getting some truths he was coming out of so much false teachings that with what info was available then he did what I feel was quite remarkable. Take me for example. Sent out cards once in my life, that following June read Mathew chapter 2 and realized it is pagan. At judgement will I be condemmed? Or will my judgement be more centered on how I did Mark 12:28,29.?

    But How would I be now when I know its pagan and go back to it? 2 Pe 2:22

    • Nik

      Do you celebrate birthdays? I have friends that become infuriated that I do not celebrate. If you dont celebrate how do you deal with the pressure? If you cave in wont you be condoning their pagan practice and commiting idolatry? Thank you for any response you can give

      • Jacqueline

        Nik,I have really never celebrated birthdays except when the baby is born. I have never accepted the reason given for not celebrating. Jehovah had angels sing at Jesus birth and Job it is thought is speaking of birthdays of his children. All of my close relatives are witnesses so it has not presented itself. I do however acknowledge all my grandchildren birthdays because I see nothing in the bible that says they are wrong yet it is mentioned. I don’t know if my answer helps you but I just don’t add prohibitions to the bible that are not there. I felt this way as a witness also about birthdays. BTW, Hello and welcome feel free to comment on any of the subjects we would love along with thousands of others to read your thoughts. In Christ Jacqueline

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXAqO9Bv3fA

    After seeing these videos, which are entirely accurate you may think twice about celebrating pagan holidays. Kids tend to resent more the false belief of a Santa Clause than the actual gifts. I know of many who began to be atheist because of the false teachings and deep rooted paganism found in orthodox Christianity.

    • Jacqueline

      Hi James P. Thank you for your comment and I viewed part of the link not all. I can appreciate your feelings about Christmas. Many persons feel the same way about the Calendar that all christians us with their pagan names etc. But of course no one uses or thinks of the calendar like that now. We also want to make sure we realize that the birth of Jesus and his subsequent faithfulness was not a good thing for the devil. Also He will do anything to keep people from considering Jesus. So if xmas celebrations reeks of any info about Jesus he will demonize his own trappings to stop it. Just a thought to interject so we don’t try and wipe out that birth at every level. We have to be able to be careful and recognize his craftiness. Some people will not think about Jesus until Christmas (this is not the day of his birth). I hope one child will wonder, “Who is this Jesus? My parents never talk about him. I see him on TV in this story. Maybe I will listen. WOW! I want to know more. Maybe I will google him or find more stories on Netflix. I wonder why they only talk about him on December 25th? My parents never talk about this Jesus or go to Church. I think I want to know more about this baby. Where is he? What happened to him? I think I will look it up in the BIBLE!! Oh, btw googled Santa to he’s doen’t deliver toys. But this other one Jesus Christ, now he appears to be real.hmmmmm
      Philipians1:15″True, some are preaching the Christ through envy and rivalry, but others also through goodwill,vs 18 What then?Except that in every way, whether in PRETENSE OR IN TRUTH, CHRIST is being PUBLICIZED, and in this I rejoice. In fact, I will also keep on rejoicing, 19 for I know this will result in my salvation …. We have to walk a fine line when condemning everything and everyone for
      Matt. 23:24 “Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!.” Many that focus on the paganism violates other commandments of God greatly. (We all sin) Drop all the pagan things that offend you and focus on Jesus. Some are using this time when family are together to do just that. Nay sayers try to hinder that sometimes by running after that little gnat once a year. The camel however rides all year long. (little child again) Oh, I just found this man Jesus again on Netflix. HE’s HANGING OUT STRETCHED AND DYING!!!!. I WONDER WHY??? Google says he is my Saviour! OMG! I think I missed some of his life on earth before he was hung up. Let me start over. Luke 2:14 says “Glory in the heights above to God, and upon earth peace toward men of goodwill” And the search has begun, another person has found Jesus. All because someone ignored the tree and it’s trappings and mentioned the story of Jesus on Dec. 25th. James P I do understand where you are coming from. Peace. Jacqueline

  • The biggest problem associated with Christmas is the tremendous amount of practices that mimic occult and idolatrous rituals. I do not believe that any of us have been given authority to dictate to fellow Christians that they should not celebrate December 25 or any other day, as all days belong to God.

    Nevertheless, in the minds of most people, celebrating Christmnas is about Santa Claus (who is given the attributes of the Most High or Jesus), mimicking the pagan customs of offering presents as to a tree, or to Santa Clause, etc., as well as mimicking several occult practices (such as kissing under the mistletoe). Indeed, in some places, Christmas is called NOEL, referring to the alleged incarnation of God in the baby Jesus.

    I don’t believe that Brother Russell never spent much time actually studying all that is involved in 1 Corinthians 8 and 10 and simply accepted the traditional view that is often given which would, in effect, condone the mimicking of idolatry, and such worship along carnal lines, rather encouraging one to “flee from idolatry.”

    There is much I believe that Satan has promoted regarding the traditions often associated with the Christmas celebration that, even if a Christian knows an idol is nothing, if a Christian appears to approve of such, others may be actually get involved in idolatry or occultism. This is actually the principle behind God’s Law as given to the nation of Israel; it is NOT, as I often hear many say, whether we ourselves believe in our own conscience that is okay to make use of this or that, but rather it is the conscious of others who may actually, in their own conscience, think that idolatry is okay. The basis of what Paul wrote is that we could become sharers in another’s idolatry even if we know an idol is nothing, and this, I fear, many have not yet reasoned out properly from the scriptures.

    The point is that there is much about the Christmas celebration that a Christian might consider avoiding, lest he become partaker of the idolatry (or occult practices) of others, simply by seeming to approve of those practices. This is a fine line, however, and one could go to the other extreme of condemning others for whatever practices they may become involved in at Christmas time, which could be or may not be actually involving idolatry or some form occultism. For me, I believe the safe method is not to mimic the ways of the heathen when it comes to forms of idolatry or occultism. — Jeremiah 10:2; 1 Corinthians 10:7,14.

    • Peter K. (admin)

      ResLight – It’s wonderful to have you on our website. We’d love to get more comments from you in the future. You make some excellent points and I share your concerns regarding pagan and occult influences, which we should avoid. For those of us who have small children, their curious minds will want to know what all the fuss and celebration is about. We certainly want to lead them away from the pagan influences. However, it’s not necessary to strip them of the joy of the season and create unnecessary resentment. This season is an opportunity to teach our children and to show others by example a better way of celebrating this season, by focusing in on Jesus’ birth and what his life and sacrifice means for mankind. Jesus gave us the greatest gift of all, his life as a Ransom sacrifice. If we can make that the focus of the season and in our gift giving, I believe it can be a blessing and witness to our children and others who observe us.

      • Daz

        Hi Peter, I appreciate what you are saying in your post but as Jesus was not recorded being born on 25th December for me it doesn’t seem riht to celebrate his birth date on that day. it’s like having your wedding day or anniversary celebrated on a totally different date which seems pointless, why would you celebrate a memorable date on a day that doesn’t correspond with it originally? We surely can teach about Jesus’s wonderful birth at any time of the year & need not follow the man made traditions. Most birthdays within the bible as I can see have sadness or something bad connected to them. There is no accounts of Jesus’ diciples celebrating their birthdays either. We can give gifts at any time as I do with my children & wife yet still enjoy the holidays without taking part in all the worldly traditions. I am not critizing anyone here just voicing my view on this subject, I hope I do not offend anyone as that is not my intention, apologies if I have.
        Warm & loving regards,

        • Peter K. (admin)

          Daz – Thanks. You make some good points. Many cultures have have traditions and holidays. If in good conscience, if we do not feel that we can participate, then we should follow our conscience. The question is, should we judge someone else as having Jehovah disapproval if they react differently? is it our place to make that judgement?

          Romans 14:4 “Who are you to judge the house servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.” – NWT

        • Jacqueline

          Daz, here in the US they celebrate birthdays on the wrong date although they know the exact date . Presidents day is one of such instances. As witnesses even here anniversary parties or dinners will be on the weekend day not actual date so cultural might be different.
          in Job his children did their days before they were killed by satan all the time and no bad happened, maybe only good. Something good happened as the other person was lifted up and later remembered JOSEPH, A BLESSING for Israel and his world at that time. With John it was not the birthday but it was the Mom that was bad . The king liked John and the daughter loved her Mother. I might be wrong but only the witnesses focus on the wrong purpose of the scriptures. It is about control. But I agree with Br. Peter, that another shouldn’t be judges if they celebrate birthdays or baby showers.
          Here in the U SA some witnesses have always celebrated birthdays. The Kingdom ministry simply says mature witnesses wouldn’t as they know this is yet another of their addition to the Bible canon, if fact the Society it is said has more additions than the law code. The Sanhedrin added addition meaning to the simply stated law code.
          They were notorius for explaining in addition to what Jesus said. Jesus rebuked them for that and he was hurt over John and probably could have address the birthday issue but it seems only witnesses have a problem with parents celebrating such a beautiful event. Also I did milestone birthdays as most in my congregation did. At sixteen a car for a boy or girl. In the congregations in my day 16 was the age a girl could receive company as they put it and everybody in the KH knew when someone was 16.lol Just a little on what is done by other witnesses here openly for my 60 years or so and all the time before that as birthdays were not outlawed, nor blood transfusions.
          BTW we are tough as nails here you can’t offend we love hearing other views. You need to view our conventions and study groups, brothers and sisters have brains and the think with them. I have learned not to judge but jump in and enjoy the freedom.

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