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Should apostates and sinners be disfellowshipped from the congregation?

“Apostate” is a term used by the governing body and JW organization, but let’s look at the Bible list of unacceptable behavior.


Various sins prevent people from inheriting the Kingdom of God.

Gal 5:19-21 says, “Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication (4202 pornea – sexual immorality), uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (NKJ) (see also 1 Cor 6:9-11 & Eph 5:5)

Notice that this list includes such sins as idolatry, hatred, contentions, jealousies, selfish ambitions & envy.  Are we ever contentious, jealous or envious?  Do we commit any of these other sins? How easy it is to set Apostasy (heresies) up on a pedestal as if it is the most horrendous sin a New Creature can commit and then to happily go along with our own lives as if we have no sins of our own.

The governing body identifies what Apostasy is, but do you trust their conclusions?

Let’s remember Jesus’ words in Matt 7:4, “Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? (NKJ)

Nevertheless, according to Gal 5:21, those who practice these types of sins and who do not repent, cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. They cannot inherit the office of kings and priests who will reign over and bless all mankind. (1 Cor 15:50 & Heb 6:12-20).


John 8:3-11 talks about the adulterous woman that the Pharisees brought before Jesus to test him. Although, some consider this passage to be spurious, such a conclusion is uncertain.

C.T. Russell had this to say about the passage in Watchtower Reprint 3434, “Our Lord “entered into sympathy with the meek… in all their weaknesses… Note the case of the woman taken in sin, and our Lord’s failure to make any pharisaical tirade against her.  Mark his reproof to those who stood by: ‘He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone.’ Mark how, when they were all thus convicted of imperfection in some particular themselves, our Lord said to the woman, “Neither do I condemn thee; go, and sin not more.’ (John 8:3-11).”


We suggest our response to the sinner  should be an act of love. If we love our brother, we will not ignore a sin that places his relationship with Jesus as a New Creature in jeopardy.

Let’s take a look at in example from 1 Cor 5 of one in the Church who committed sexual immorality.

1 Cor 5:1-13

1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality [Strongs 4202 porneia] among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles– that a man has his father’s wife!

2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.

4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?

7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. People [Strongs 4205 pornos]

10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.

11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner–not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?

13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.” (NKJ)

Our expression of love for the adulterous brother involves a withdrawing of fellowship. We can not help the brother by continuing in full fellowship as always. To ignore the matter will be to his injury as well as to the injury of others in the Church who would thereby be encourage to lower their moral standards.

There are consequences to allowing sin in the congregation.

1 Cor 5:6-7 says, “Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. (NKJ)

By not dealing with the matter, others will feel it is okay and more brethren will sin.

Jesus gave us the step by step procedures for dealing with sin in the Church. The sinner is not to be immediately embarrassed and exposed before all, but is to be given an opportunity to explain themselves and to repent if necessary.

In Matt 18:15-17, Jesus says, “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.  But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.  And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church.  But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. [Like anyone who walks into the congregation from off the street.] (NKJ)

C.T. Russell give the following advice in Watchtower Reprint 5954: “In any event they would seem to have no ground for forbidding attendance at meeting. The very most they might vote would be to withdraw fellowship and include in this a refusal to visit at their home or to invite them to the homes of the class – the class declining also to appoint the brother to any office, such as deacon or elder. As for refusing them the privilege of attending public meetings, that would be very inconsistent; for surely all kinds of people living in all kinds of sin come occasionally to meeting, and we hope that by coming they may be benefited and recovered.


Once a brother or sister becomes an adulterer, is there anyway to undo the sin or to correct the problem and bring them back to the heavenly father’s approval?  Let’s see what answers are provided by the Bible.

Gal 6:1 – “Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.” (NKJ)

James 5:19-20 – “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.” (NKJ)

Jude 1:23 – “but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.” (NKJ)

It is the brethren’s privilege to minister to the sinner in love, helping to bring him or her towards repentance and recovery.

Rom 15:1-3 – “Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Each of us is to please his neighbor for his good, to his edification. For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written, “THE REPROACHES OF THOSE WHO REPROACHED YOU FELL ON ME.” NASV


The Corinthian brethren punished the sinner committing sexual immorality, but Paul tells us that they went to far.

2 Cor 2:6-11 say,

6 This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man,

7 so that, on the contrary, you ought rather to forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow.

8 Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him.

9 For to this end I also wrote, that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things.

10 Now whom you forgive anything, I also forgive. For if indeed I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven that one for your sakes in the presence of Christ,

11 lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices. (NKJ)

Withdrawing fellowship for a time served a purpose. It helped bring the sinning brother to repentance. . Upon full repentance, God will fully forgive, and so should we.  Notice that Paul speaks of this “punishment which was inflicted by the majority.” Paul does not advise that the majority split away from the minority who did not participate in this punishment (withdrawing of fellowship). Apparently then, this is not a matter for a congregation to divide over.


* Though God punished a repentant David, he forgave him his adultery and did not remove him as king. In accepting David’s repentance, God did not ask David to divorce Bathsheeba.

* In John 8, Jesus told the adulterous woman to “sin no more” and sent her away uncondemned.

* As Saul of Tarsus, the Apostle Paul murdered and imprisoned brethren, but later repented and became the greatest Apostle of all.

* In 1 Cor 6:11, Paul says of the sinners who will not inherit the Kingdom of God, “such were some of you.”



  • Ted R.

    Todays Daily Manna really struck a cord with me. Notice what Pastor Russell brings out for us in commenting on John 16:2: (Brackets are mine)

    They shall put you out of the synagogues(Kingdom Halls): yea, the time cometh that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. John 16:2
    THE persecutions of today are more refined than in any previous period. The faithful today are not stoned with literal stones or shot with literal arrows or literally beheaded, but it is still true that the wicked shoot out arrows at the righteous, “even bitter words,” and many because of faithfulness are reproved and slandered and cut off from fellowship–“beheaded for the testimony of Jesus.” Let all such emulate Stephen, the first Christian martyr. Let their testimonies be given with radiant faces like his. Let their eyes of faith perceive Jesus at the right hand of the Majesty on High as their Advocate and Deliverer. Let their words be with moderation as were Stephen’s, and let it be true of them, as written of him, “full of grace and power” and “filled with the Holy Spirit.” Z.’97-57 R2109:6
    To disfellowship someone for speaking the word of God from the Bible, just because it doesn’t agree with an organization is exactly the same as what happened to Stephen. He was stoned for disagreeing with the established Jewish religious leaders and viewed as an Apostate. When a person is disfellowshipped he is figuratively dead in the eyes of the witnesses, including their own family. No where does Christ or the Apostles advocate such an action! The Society points to the Mosaic Law as backing for cutting off “wrong doers”. They say that we are not under law but they use these laws as “principles”. The problem is that they are treating “principles” as LAWS! They are following the path of the Pharisee’s. Even the Jew’s allowed for disagreements! The Pharisees and Sadducee’s had opposite viewpoint regarding the resurrection and other matters. No one should be put to “death” because they are honestly trying to follow Christ. If that happens to you lift up your head and rejoice for standing firm for righteousness!!!

    • greg (Bible Student)


      I had the same picture as you you have expressed come to my mind after reading this morning’s manna. I’m glad you commented here.


      In the same theme, I always found John chapter 9 to be especially comforting to me when I was in transition of leaving JW’s.


  • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

    This link contains a copy of the 1947 Awake on where didfellowshipping got it origin. From pagans.

    • It figures the Babel-origin GB would also start bringing in ideas as they developed their own since 1944 among JWs. And that is how the JW version of the “operation of error” is just an error that gets worse and worse in 2Thess2:11-12.

      “”The Mystery Religions each had their secret councils which ruled them, and these councils themselves came under the guidance of a secret supreme Grand Council or Governing Body.””


      So, the evry source of JW leadership is from Babel’s “governign body” method.

  • Daniel Nathaniel

    Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only Organisation that standfirm with Bible principle.

    • greg (Bible Student)

      Hello Daniel.

      It’s a pleasure to make your acquaintance.

      Most of the JW’s I know certainly do endeavour to hold to Bible standards as much as inherited imperfection and learned ignorance allows.

      So, tell me, if you please, what brings you here and prompts you to express yourself today?

    • Bret (B.S.)

      “Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only organization that stands firm.” Actualy there are several things wrong with this statement. I have over 20 years in the organization and have sat on more than 30 judicial committees and have seen some of the worst incidents and sins. Instead of the crongregation being aware of it and the congregation dealing with this supposed unrepentant sinner, that is scriptural based on Matthew 5, and 18 it is actually hidden from them and dealt with secretly in which most of time few know about other than the gossip mill that exists. But few Witnesses ever speak to those outside about the going on within the organization. The fact that the non-scriptual legalist authority exists doesnt make the Org clean or mean theyr the only legslist group that is clean.
      I live in an area where there are Amish Christians and believe me they present themselves much cleaner than the JW’s. my wife’s family are Apostolic Pentecostal another legalist group that has even more rigid rules and they are a much cleaner group than the JW’s, all because of their strict rules that goes beyond the JW’s imposed rules on everyones conscience.
      Ask yourself Daniel… where is the example in the New Testament or Christian Greek scriptures of a judicial committee to deal with wrong doing? Where is the example of only Elder body dealing with wrong doing and it kept secret from the congregation? Did not the Apostle Paul write to the entire congregation of Corinth about the sinner in chapter 5? In 2 Corinthians did he not emplore the “Majority” of the congregation who were upholding the limitting of asdociation, to accept the wrongdoer back into the fold?
      The fact is this organization hides and keeps secret and also controls what the outside world is made aware of and what else could you expect from a legalist religion than a self image of righteousness.

      • Anonymous

        I got baptized April 2017. My wife got disfellowshiped in Oct 2017 for smoking. We want to do what’s right in Jehovah’s eyes. Shouldn’t we have an open congregation,so all the brother and sisters can be there for love and encouragement,so we can overcome the things we have fallen short on? Not disfellowship whom have sinned.Elders are imperfect humans too, so I think they act like the judge and jury. So Jehovah’s the only one who can judge.For this to happen after I got baptized,is making me stumble. Our congregation is clicky, and I sometimes don’t feel the love and unity.

        • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

          Hello anonymous and welcome.Your wife now have the opportunity to seek God being away from the influence of the congregation. Disfellowshipping means something only among the witness organization. It has no meaning here nor anywhere else in the universe. It is a control feature to strike fear. Because you lose your so called friends and relatives that are in.
          Since you mention your congregation like most is clicky, this is a good thing to be separate from them. You and your wife are welcome here to heal. You don’t have to mention disfellowshipping here. We only confess sins to Jehovah God and recognize only Jesus in a position of authority to get to God. Never a hierarchical man-made organization with 9 men sitting in holiness of their own making.
          Since you will be further isolated since your wife is df stay here with us and ask questions and comment on any article that you see. A lot coming out of the witness organization fear Armageddon so maybe we can start there to help your heart settle down. It is not judgement day on people. It is judgement on this system of things, the governments will fall and Jesus will begin his rule. He will not kill his subjects nor the great crowd of Christians that survive with their worship in God intact. It is not a fearful thing for Chrstians but a time to rejoice. Read here and let’s discuss if this is your deep concern. Scroll down to the deep topics and see if it makes sense.
          Don’t worry, you are in a safe place here, no judging😅. May God bless your sincere heartfelt comment.

        • greg (Bible Student)

          Warm, friendly, compassionate greetings to you, Anonymous.

          May I wholeheartedly express a Welcome! to you and your wife (if she’ll accept it)?

          I can imagine it might have been very difficult for you to write the words you just did here. My heart cradled every expression of pain and discouragement it sensed in your words.

          Wouldn’t it be wonderful to be able to find caring support when you’re lonely, hurting, or overwhelmed, instead of being handed another heaping dose of blame, shame, and pain? I recall many years that I was constantly begging the local elders for caring support, sensitive comfort, and kind encouragement only to ever come away hurting and regretting even more for having bothered to ask.

          Luke 11:11-12 “Indeed, which father is there among YOU who, if his son asks for a fish, will perhaps hand him a serpent instead of a fish? Or if he also asks for an egg, will hand him a scorpion?”

          I got sick from all the scorpion bites I received over the years. Slowly discouragement and disillusionment gave way to despair and desperation, and then those gave way to hurt, anger, and hopelessness. The good news is that eventually the pain was transformed and overcome by curiosity as I gradually became willing to search for help outside the nasty and oppressive JW organization.

          Like you, I found my way here, and I discovered that help, caring, support, encouragement CAN BE FOUND. So now, along with the many true friends I’ve made here, I’m making it my daily endeavour to offer comfort and support to persons like yourself.

          If you and/or your wife are willing and able, perhaps you’d like to join us tonight for our testimony meeting? I know there are persons who would be encouraged by hearing your story in your own words, and I’m confident you’d enjoy hearing from others who have “been there” and who really do care.



    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Hi Daniel, we are Bible students, not a part of any organization but stand firm in the Bible as the word of God. Other Christians try to obey the Bible also as best we as humans can.
      How did you find our site? Are you a witness? We are not here to shake your faith in your organization. We want to help those struggling to get out from under the powerful rule of seven men called the governing body and help them find Christ. Most only know about God.
      Where do you see we are not holding firm to the Bible? Perhaps we can discuss that point.
      You are correct we don’t hold to the ever changing “truths” of the governing body. I will wait for your reply.

    • True, in a way, but they mixed in lawlessness as per the second trumpet. Other religions also try to adhere to Bible standards at times, but they too have error imbibed in by their leaders, like JWs now.

  • Tonya

    I would like to know if one can truly be disfellowshipped from Jw Organization for smoking cigarettes and if it’s even right and if I AM out of favor with Jehovah, then will I not be saved through Armageddon?

    • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

      Hi Tonya thanks for commenting. These are links to what the Bible teaches on Armageddon. The witnesses have it all wrong and it is just used to scare people like churches use Hellfire. Read here to see what the bible really teaches.http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/category/armageddon-2/
      Being disfellowshipped from the JW organization has nothing to do with God. He forgives sins and help persons to overcome any problems or habits that they are struggling with.
      Smoking is a very difficult habit to break, just like obesity and over eating. It has been shown medically that both of these have a bad effect on our health.
      It is a medical issue that your physician is more equipped to help you with as it is a physical addiction and not just a habit.
      Every thing should be brought before Jehovah in prayer. Try him constantly to help you. He will not kill you over cigarettes. We will all have the opportunity in the millennium to grow out of and get away from all harmful habits, foods, pollution and sickness.
      The governing body does not show maturity when they make statements that God will destroy you at armageddon for smoking. IT IS NOT JUDGEMENT DAY! It is the takedown of the system of things and there will be death but if you read the articles with your Bible you will see even those will be resurrected to learn about God and his truth. A bomb could be dropped by a nation and witnesses, baptist, buddist, Muslim, Catholics etc all can perish because of the fighting that nations may be doing.
      Jesus’ sword will be coming out of his mouth. HE WILL SPEAK AND IT WILL BE DONE! So Jesus and Jehovah are the good guys at armageddon NOT THE BAD GUYS!
      We shouldn’t fear Jehovah we should be in harmony with his war and the situation that will present itself at armageddon.
      Don’t be afraid of GOD! He and JESUS is your friend! Don’t let the witness organization make you be afraid of your heavenly FATHER!
      If you are struggling with a habit that is hurting your health go to your and our Father on your knees and ask him to help you. He answers prayers test him!
      You should be able to go to a kingdom hall and be with your friends if that is your choice without interference from men.
      You and I however know that will not be the case. They have rules and regulations that are not of the Bible because they are an american corporation heavily invested in real estate but getting tax exemption by adding religion.
      I hope this helps you. Ask questions on points you don’t understand in the articles, please.
      Take Care of yourself Tonya and get on your knees and talk to our Father with tears in the name of Jesus. Sincerely Jacqueline

      • Tonya

        Thank you soooo much for reaffirming what I was feeling deep in my heart that was right to begin with.

        • Jacqueline (Bible Student)

          You are soo welcome Tonya. Let the Peace of God fill your thoughts during this season of thinking about Jesus, his birth and what it means for us.
          You are going to kick that addiction like I am going to kick mine, eating wrong and causing health problems. I was put on steroids for 6 years and got hooked on eating. It was a drug and it is difficult to break habits formed while on it.
          But I will keep trying and praying. Prayer helps Tonya. Before I saw your comment yesterday I had put some house problems in the hands of God and said I would just forget about it.
          My son called and said Mom one of the boys and I are driving down tomorrow to clean your gutters and do some of the little things that your witness handyman has botched. Another son from Atlanta, called, out of the blue and said Mom I call Br.____ an informed him he needed to give you some money back for the leaks in a brand new roof he installed incorrectly.
          I was beside myself as all of them are witnesses. THEN I REMEMBERED!
          I HAD PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF GOD and walked away! God knew I had helped so many people this last year with sickness and spiritual illness that I trusted my witness roofer without checking behind him. I was consumed in helping others and GOD didn’t forget.
          So Tonya, please try HIM, lay it at the feet of Jesus. Someone will help you not because God requires you quit but because it will hurt you. He will have far greater things to worry about at armageddon, I assure you. Take Care of yourself. I have to drive 3 hours away today to do GRANDPARENTS DAY for two of my JW grandchildren. See, another blessing!

    • Bret (B.S.)

      I am an ex-jw elder and had the unfortunate experience of disfellowshipping a couple different people for smoking cigarettes. The jw organization is a legalist group and they are not Concerned with anything else but their image from the outside and absolute control. Avoid them, I know they appear loving at first and after drawn in you will start to not only see but also feel the control and the very large weight that is put on you. You do not need that organization to find favor with Jehovah and Christ, what is needed is faith and this leads to obediance to the Christ not a man made organization.

  • Jacqueline

    http://imgur.com/a/0D6XF Just trying to see why it doesn’t post part of the article like when I post on Facebook, hmmm.

  • Jacqueline

    This is an excerpt from the January 1947 Awake that says that excommunication is Pagan.


    • Anonymous

      Thanks Jacqueline, I added it to my favorites!

      • Jacqueline

        My son that does not speak to me and declares I will go to Gehenna at Armageddon asked why I reared them in a religion I knew was wrong? It is articles like this one that depicts the Jehovah witnesses I knew in the 50″s and 60″s. There wasn’t 500.000 witnesses worldwide when I grew up. It changed about 1966 when they declared Armageddon would happen in 1975 and the governing body reared it’s ugly head. You never heard of DF when I was little but yet both of my parents rebelled against the blood issue and was DF. My dad refused to let them reinstate him and died happily outside of their establishment. But this is an example of how they used to think.

        • Anonymous

          Wow! I didn’t your parents were Df’d. Was your dad one of the anointed? and is your mom still Df’d? and is she of the anointed

          • Jacqueline

            Both parents are deceased. My mom secretly partook in the library with some others for quite some time. In the 60’s the society convinced most to stop. She and I would go to BS and JW meetings. When she was df’d, only I went to meetings. That is a story in itself. I should write a book. Mom was a regular pioneer when she passed.
            BTW, she was never reinstated and neither was my father. He refused on his death bed, because he was df’d in error. My older bro. went to college (the first one in our family) and found the witnesses quit came and put us in it (I was attending BS). 9 children plus my mom started going back but wrote many letters to the society as she too was DF’d on a lie and refused to be reinstated, she wanted a recantment, they refused so she just sat there and made everyone uncomfortable as all nine of her children were zealous and pioneering even a missionary. A CO asked who she was that attended every week. He heard her story of injustice and asked her to raise her hand and he would call on her and that is how she got recognized as a witness. Women were dirt in the org then and black women were scrum. This CO., Br. Rock was the first Black CO ever for us, this was new. He refused to treat the cong. as slaves. That is why my childhood was uneventful as a witness until 1966. Our family had the BS meetings in our home. It is a long story and I am writing a book.

            • Anonymous

              Sad story Jacqueline.Why did your mom decide to go back to the Jw’s after all that? did she partake up till the day she died? Did the BS’s treat blacks any better than the Jw’s back then? I hope you do make a book, I’ll definitely read it?

              • Jacqueline

                There was no mixture of the races where I grew up. I lived under segregation. I never saw nor knew a white BS nor JW before 1963. I lived under JIm Crow Laws, Bull Connor and governor Wallace. So it was normal for me to be segregated.
                My mom came back because my college bound brother found the witnesses in Tuskegee, Al. and he found out about the hope. My parents never made children go to the KH and there was no organization telling us how to run your family at that time. The parents had control of their household. My brother literally forced her and us children into it. I was going to a house meeting, but the society had formed a cong. and built a kingdom Hall so my mom went. She was a widow with 9 children. It was fun and a sense of love and community. BS and JW were not quite separated then, it was a mix until segregation was over and the society could interact in our affairs in the congregations or house church. It was often said that the witnesses down south were backward, because we were essentially BS. We were not affected by the moving organization that was developing and it was a fight of monumental proportions within the southern congregations when segregation was over. The Churches were integrated but the Jwitnesses were NOT and it was a verbal and sometimes almost physical fight and flight. They finally resolved the problem somewhat in the seventies, although the world Churches were far ahead of them and the south as a whole was above the watchtower society. I left and moved to Chicago and found it no different really through the seventies within the congregations. That was a hard issue for the society.
                At my apostasy meeting, it was short and I beat it. What the elders wanted to hear from me was what it was like to be a witness in the south under segregation. I was basically the only ethnic person (3) in my congregation in 2000. They had so many questions because of what they heard. They knew my personality was right in the thick of it. My brothers were and one suffered heart problems at 21 years old as he was the overseer and had a fight to much for his age. Bethel sent him help after my other brother went to Bethel then to Africa as a missionary. The southside of Chicago wasn’t any better however.
                The elder arrangement had come in and a tremendous lost of freedom insured. I went from the frying pan into the pot I have fought within this structure all my life in one way or other.
                I know now I was in training, in school and the teacher was silent.

                PS: I think I need to add that CO, DO and many others expressed pretty much what I have said, we have had these conversations especially in the 1970″s and 1990″s. This experience is not unique to me, certain aspects yes but the norm.

                • Anonymous

                  I’m not suprised by all this Jacqueline,we’re all products of our environment and each of us must strive to get over our prejudgedice and other imperfections.Eventhough I’m a Jw, I still read the SITS and have a sub. for Dawn magazine + I order a lot of literature from them, my wife knows about this and doesn’t like it but she’s aware I can back up scripturally pretty much everything the BS teach.

                  • Jacqueline

                    I have attended a lot of BS convention, funerals etc and I find love here. I feel comfortable. It is like it was as a young girl. It is the emphasize on a relationship with Jehovah and Jesus that makes it different.
                    We are all accepted as parts of the body of Christ. You see the many divisions within an organization breaks this body up!
                    Therefore you not only get I am better than you from a position standpoint but every other divisive prejudice place. That in my opinion is why they have and still do have such a problem with the question of racial makeup.
                    This organization wishes to control information and direct whether or not persons should meet in small groups to discuss the bible and what they are hearing from the platform.(Nov. KM 2009)
                    When you segregate people in this way it segregates along all types of other lines. I keep contending that the society is an organization more than strictly religious.
                    The BS are so into the Bible when we meet and about each others person welfare and not afraid to discuss scripture one on one that it is how we view each other as equal in the body of Christ as persons. The head, feet, hands all have something to do and it counts. The head thinks and discern a little better but it can’t move if the legs and feet don’t take it to tell what it knows and the same with the mouth it co operates with the head. So I feel like I am a brother with my brothers. All working together to adhere, learn and help declare the sayings of our LORD and Savior Christ.
                    My background has trained me to accept underdogs or people that hurt. I can listen and sit with a person for a long haul. I think from my experiences I have learned what it feels like to be hurt and done wrong. I choose to make sure I don’t hurt those that are trying to find peace and hope and I vow to go to my grave doing whatever God wants me to do if I can. Experiences are teachers.

                    • Anonymous

                      It’s good to hear that Jacqueline, sounds like you’re happy!I’ve been a Jw for a long time now and I can honestly say that most of the people in my congregation are genuine lovers of Jehovah and of one another.The elders are sincere and reasonable and do a good job of ‘sheperding the flock’. I’ve been to many other congregations and each one has its own personality…..some are spiritually stronger than others etc;

  • Again, many say what “The Bible” says about disfellowshiping. Rather, it should be what Christ says about it.

    The fact of the matter is Christ says nothing about it. It is a machination of arrogant men who think they can decide the fate of “sheep” that they did not purchase and own.

    We ALL belong to the one who purchased us with his shed blood. He is our owner and Master. Only the Master can decide to accept, sell, reject or bring to slaughter his sheep. He owns them.

    Today, thieves have broken into the Masters household and have usurped and stolen his sheep and they treat them as if they are their own.

    It is not by membership within religious organizations such as the Watcher or International Bible Students (or others) that makes own a slave or one owned by the Master.

    It is by virtue of Christs sacrificial death, ALL of mankind whether they accept Christ or not, are owned by him. 1 Cor 11:3 says:

    “But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.”

    Notice that there is no mention of one being a “Christian.” The Head of EVERY MAN is the Christ. PERIOD.

    Therefore, do not be afraid if one is kicked out of a religious organization by their made up expressions such as “disfellowshiping” or “excommunication.” They are not your true owners anyway. They are thieves.

    Jesus NEVER condemned or treated anyone in this way. And, to this day, The Master does not cast away anyone because he FULLY UNDERSTANDS our weaknesses and so he freely forgives and he would say,

    “Forgive them because they do not know what they are doing.”

    Indeed, not one human knows what it is doing; not even religious organization.

    Many of you need to stop deifying C.T. Russell, The Watch Tower Organization, The International Bible Students and come you your true Master and owner.

    Look at the damage they have done by this disfellowshiping practice. It is a made up practice that they push off as coming from God and Christ.

    The practice is designed to keep one firmly shackled within the confines of religious organizational teaching. Threat of it makes one afraid to ask questions or even think beyond what they have been “organizationally” taught. That is not freedom, it is enslavement.

    The practice is designed to cause religious organizational members to hear and obey one voice: Theirs.

    Yet, Christ says at John 10:2-5:

    “But he that enters through the door is shepherd of the sheep. The doorkeeper opens to this one, and the sheep listen to his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has got all his own out, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice. A stranger they will by no means follow but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.”

    A stranger has usurped, stolen and taken control of the sheep of another owner.

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Jerome – Yes, it is a shame that in the JW Organization that brethren are disfellowshipped for having an honest different understanding of scriptures. However, are you ever going to read far enough to discover that the Bible Students are not an organization and we don’t disfellowship brethren who have a different opinion?

  • John

    With the JW the whole concept has escalated if you ask me. Often the hearings are very authoritarian, unloving, even unjust. The most infamous ones being those involved incest or child abuse where the victim is heard on the issue and subject to lots of pressure even up to the point where things said could be called threats.

    Officially I am still a witness, I am not disfellowshiped. I heard a lot about these hearings, even from my own brother, who, in my opinion is a typical example of a victim of this cruel procedure. Not only did they crush every thread of his self-esteem, they crushed him so hard that he is scarred for the rest of his life. One of the means of pressure that the WTS uses is the fact that a Jehovah’s Witness is supposed to have no social contacts outside of the organisation of JW’s. This leaves one with literally nothing in case of disfellowship.

    John, Netherlands

    • Jacqueline

      John, Thanks so much for your comments. I have been subjected to one of those meetings and I actually explained to Jehovah before I ever submitted to another one of their unholy inquisitions. I would choose death and wait in the grave for a resurrection. That is how mean they are even if you are reporting child molestation. They said because I listened to the victim I was guilty also and that would be the charge for DF. God’s people are being subjected to this weekly somewhere. Those who never question anything or think, will deny these tactics are employed. Only ones that have dared open their mouth know. Please say hello Sunday if you come on to the webcast. Did you get the link correct. ADMIN will check out the problem you are having. And you can join other witneses and start association with the Bible Students.Take care my brother. In Christ

  • mrs fader

    Thank you.There are so many stories in the JW org.on dishfellowshipping.Very few of them even come back.I like it when you said there is no need to embarrass them.When this happens to young teenagers you may never see them again.It is a big issue amoung JWs.Thanks again

  • mrs fader

    Thanks for this information,right from the Bible.Do you handle such cases in the congration by having a meeting with the person and is an anouncement made.When the person is repented is another anouncement made to the congration.

    • Peter K. (admin)

      Mrs. Fader – The Bible gives us general guidelines and christian principles. Not all of us may implement these principles in the exact same way. I think it is best to follow the steps in Matt 18. In Matt 18:15-17, Jesus says, “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. [Like anyone who walks into the congregation from off the street.] (NKJ)

      In other word’s first to go the individual privately. There is no need to embarrass them in front of the whole congregation. It’s is best if they repent from their fornication, adultery, etc. privately. If they express repentance and asks God for forgiveness and you can see their path is changing, there is not need humiliate them. It is loving to keep your eye on them in love, to help keep them on a Godly path.

      If the sin becomes public knowledge and much of the congregation knows, it would probably be best (if they have repented) if they publically confess their since to the congregation and express their repentance and determination to change their life to be obedient to Jesus and God.

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